Alex Anthopoulos Departing

[KingKat]

That deal is far from guaranteed to have any surplus value at all.

 

All depends on how quickly and how dramatically Tulo declines becauses Reyes was definitely a write off at this point. Hard to imagine Tulo being as bad.

[burlingtonbandit]

That deal is far from guaranteed to have any surplus value at all.

 

Sure but nothing is guaranteed. Reyes looks to be worth negative $40 million. Castro looks to be replacement level. That leaves you Hoffman and Tinico who we might not get a true sense on their value with the Coors effect.

 

You also have to weigh the value it added in the short term much more heavily than the long term value lost, given the Blue Jays goal. If Reyes was still SS theres almost no chance the Blue Jays make the ALCS or even ALDS. His defense was so bad his traditional "WAR" wasn't an accurate reflection of his value.

[burlingtonbandit]

how good are you projecting Tulo to be at 35? I project Tulo to be negative value starting around 2017...and probably even next year.

 

Read my reply to BTS

[Cyborg]

That deal is far from guaranteed to have any surplus value at all.

>50%.

[Sorrow]

That deal is far from guaranteed to have any surplus value at all.

 

I view the Tulo deal like realizing credit card debt is bad (Reyes being the credit card debt) and that Castro and Hoffman were the interest payments to get back to ground zero (Escobar being ground zero).

 

I get depressed thinking that next year our starting rotation could have been Stroman, Syndergaard, Hutchison, Norris and DeScalafani/Nicolino/Sanchez/Osuna/Hoffman

[BTS]

>50%.

 

I would agree with that.

[Laika]

Sure but nothing is guaranteed. Reyes looks to be worth negative $40 million. Castro looks to be replacement level. That leaves you Hoffman and Tinico who we might not get a true sense on their value with the Coors effect.

 

You also have to weigh the value it added in the short term much more heavily than the long term value lost, given the Blue Jays goal. If Reyes was still SS theres almost no chance the Blue Jays make the ALCS or even ALDS. His defense was so bad his traditional "WAR" wasn't an accurate reflection of his value.

 

I find much of this post to be absurd

[Laika]

I view the Tulo deal like realizing credit card debt is bad (Reyes being the credit card debt) and that Castro and Hoffman were the interest payments to get back to ground zero (Escobar being ground zero).

 

I get depressed thinking that next year our starting rotation could have been Stroman, Syndergaard, Hutchison, Norris and DeScalafani/Nicolino/Sanchez/Osuna/Hoffman

 

The amount of young controllable pitching that has moved through Toronto's system is kind of crazy. Obviously trading some of these guys was fine, or more than fine.

 

Syndergaard

Stroman

Norris

Hutchison

Hoffman

Boyd

DeSclafani

Osuna

Nicolino

Sanchez

Castro

De Jong <--- don't forget about him, traded for a couple of international bonus slots

Wojiechowski

Musgrove

Dyson

Nolin

Graveman

(probably more)

[pickoff22]

That report is almost certainly ********. From some random TSN guy who said in his article that the Blue Jays don't have dynamic ticket pricing...

 

Well they don't have dynamic ticket pricing (premium vs non-premium isn't the same thing) and it's been clear that it's been costing them money. I'm sure that's something that will be considered for next year.

[Sorrow]

The amount of young controllable pitching that has moved through Toronto's system is kind of crazy. Obviously trading some of these guys was fine, or more than fine.

 

Syndergaard

Stroman

Norris

Hutchison

Hoffman

Boyd

DeSclafani

Osuna

Nicolino

Sanchez

Castro

De Jong <--- don't forget about him, traded for a couple of international bonus slots

Wojiechowski

Musgrove

Dyson

Nolin

Graveman

(probably more)

 

We also forgot Alvarez who was a two win pitcher two years in a row for Miami.

[burlingtonbandit]

That report is almost certainly ********. From some random TSN guy who said in his article that the Blue Jays don't have dynamic ticket pricing...

 

Doubt it. Rick Westhead is a great reporter and has broken many stories and included he got the story from multiple Rogers sources. He should of chosen better words than he did but I'm sure there were philosophical differences which included prospects.

 

AA didn't dispute the report either when asked, just said he didn't like the choice of words.

[IBTrini]

Yeah I get it, he made some great moves. Some fantastic moves. But he's made some boneheaded ones too that cant be ignored. Before this year we haven't even sniffed the playoffs and 80% of the ppl here wanted him gone. Its AA's choice to leave, I'm not gonna get hung up on how amazing he was. If he wants to go, then go. We'll be fine

I believe a poll was done - do you have a link cuz I did not feel it was that high.

[IBTrini]

One good trade does not counterbalance a handful of bad ones. Regardless how good the good one is, it shows a lack of good judgment on a day-to-day perspective. Broken clock and such.

One good trade??? Really???

[JaysAllMighty]

Shapiro wants Gibby fired, that's what AA bitched about and not willing to do it. Shapiro takes over on Monday, fires Gibby and hires AA on a new contract.

[Terminator]

It's hard to wrap my head around how this could be a good career move for AA... still trying to see the angle here.

 

I hear ya. He left on a very good note so the next job that opens up he will get consideration.

 

But why not stay? The team would be good again next year and you can collect another year of salary and then move on elsewhere.

[Governator]

Shapiro wants Gibby fired, that's what AA bitched about and not willing to do it. Shapiro takes over on Monday, fires Gibby and hires AA on a new contract.

 

 

Keep dreaming.

[THANOS]

Shapiro wants Gibby fired, that's what AA bitched about and not willing to do it. Shapiro takes over on Monday, fires Gibby and hires AA on a new contract.

 

That would be the best of all situations lol.

[nmrch]

Well, whatever AA's reasons for leaving are i am personally not that concerned about losing him. The team had to go on a historic run to justify the gambles he took at the trade deadline and this isn't even considering the moves he's made before this season. I know history will probably mark AA down as some kind of a genius that finally delivered the playoffs in Toronto but if you take an objective look at his time here he was nothing more than a dime a dozen mediocre GM.

[Laika]

I hear ya. He left on a very good note so the next job that opens up he will get consideration.

 

But why not stay? The team would be good again next year and you can collect another year of salary and then move on elsewhere.

 

I understand him wanting full control of baseball decisions because he had a unique situation with Beeston and essentially did have full control, but there are only 30 (or so) of these jobs in the game and the majority of them do not grant the GM the final say on everything baseball. He had the opportunity to work with and learn from a great baseball guy in Shapiro - he could have seen that as a positive and not an impediment.

 

I think his ego just got in the way, more than anything. Five year offer to remain the GM of the only pro baseball team in his home country, where he has grown as a professional, where the fans generally love him and he just built a team that went to the ALCS, and he turns it down because Mark Shapiro wants to bounce ideas with his GM and Alex wants to be the big cheese.

 

smh

 

Could have accepted but placed something in the contract stating that if a GM offer involving full control of an organization comes up then he is free from his contract with Toronto and able to accept.

[blurnandez]

Hayhurst wrote a decent article about the situation: http://www.tsn.ca/hayhurst-anthopoulos-departure-is-far-from-bad-news-1.384794

[Swervin81]

I really hope one of Tinnish/LaCava is promoted here. Keep all the scouts as well, the draft record speaks for itself, really.

[JaysAllMighty]

Well, whatever AA's reasons for leaving are i am personally not that concerned about losing him. The team had to go on a historic run to justify the gambles he took at the trade deadline and this isn't even considering the moves he's made before this season. I know history will probably mark AA down as some kind of a genius that finally delivered the playoffs in Toronto but if you take an objective look at his time here he was nothing more than a dime a dozen mediocre GM.

 

AA was THE NINJA, not replaceable. A workaholic that made some impossible trades, he wasn't named executive of the year for no reason. I for one, is hoping that he signs with us.

[Terminator]

I understand him wanting full control of baseball decisions because he had a unique situation with Beeston and essentially did have full control, but there are only 30 (or so) of these jobs in the game and the majority of them do not grant the GM the final say on everything baseball. He had the opportunity to work with and learn from a great baseball guy in Shapiro - he could have seen that as a positive and not an impediment.

 

I think his ego just got in the way, more than anything. Five year offer to remain the GM of the only pro baseball team in his home country, where he has grown as a professional, where the fans generally love him and he just built a team that went to the ALCS, and he turns it down because Mark Shapiro wants to bounce ideas with his GM and Alex wants to be the big cheese.

 

smh

 

Could have accepted but placed something in the contract stating that if a GM offer involving full control of an organization comes up then he is free from his contract with Toronto and able to accept.

 

Very well said.

[Abomination]

I understand him wanting full control of baseball decisions because he had a unique situation with Beeston and essentially did have full control, but there are only 30 (or so) of these jobs in the game and the majority of them do not grant the GM the final say on everything baseball. He had the opportunity to work with and learn from a great baseball guy in Shapiro - he could have seen that as a positive and not an impediment.

 

I think his ego just got in the way, more than anything. Five year offer to remain the GM of the only pro baseball team in his home country, where he has grown as a professional, where the fans generally love him and he just built a team that went to the ALCS, and he turns it down because Mark Shapiro wants to bounce ideas with his GM and Alex wants to be the big cheese.

 

smh

 

Could have accepted but placed something in the contract stating that if a GM offer involving full control of an organization comes up then he is free from his contract with Toronto and able to accept.

 

I don't get that feeling. I think he and Shapiro have different (probably incompatible) viewpoints on how to build and maintain the franchise going forward. It's likely that AA didn't want to be forced to make various moves that he fundamentally disagreed with. I doubt it had anything to do with ego.

[burlingtonbandit]

I understand him wanting full control of baseball decisions because he had a unique situation with Beeston and essentially did have full control, but there are only 30 (or so) of these jobs in the game and the majority of them do not grant the GM the final say on everything baseball. He had the opportunity to work with and learn from a great baseball guy in Shapiro - he could have seen that as a positive and not an impediment.

 

I think his ego just got in the way, more than anything. Five year offer to remain the GM of the only pro baseball team in his home country, where he has grown as a professional, where the fans generally love him and he just built a team that went to the ALCS, and he turns it down because Mark Shapiro wants to bounce ideas with his GM and Alex wants to be the big cheese.

 

smh

 

Could have accepted but placed something in the contract stating that if a GM offer involving full control of an organization comes up then he is free from his contract with Toronto and able to accept.

 

I don't think its fair to be saying this about AA when you don't know the full story or how the meetings went etc..

[Laika]

I understand him wanting full control of baseball decisions because he had a unique situation with Beeston and essentially did have full control, but there are only 30 (or so) of these jobs in the game and the majority of them do not grant the GM the final say on everything baseball. He had the opportunity to work with and learn from a great baseball guy in Shapiro - he could have seen that as a positive and not an impediment.

 

I think his ego just got in the way, more than anything. Five year offer to remain the GM of the only pro baseball team in his home country, where he has grown as a professional, where the fans generally love him and he just built a team that went to the ALCS, and he turns it down because Mark Shapiro wants to bounce ideas with his GM and Alex wants to be the big cheese.

 

smh

 

Could have accepted but placed something in the contract stating that if a GM offer involving full control of an organization comes up then he is free from his contract with Toronto and able to accept.

 

This is a good, fair, well thought out, and non-speculative post. Nice job.

[Boxcar]

This is a good, fair, well thought out, and non-speculative post. Nice job.

 

I see you've gone off the deep end.

[BTS]

I see you've gone off the deep end.

 

Sometimes he forgets to sign in under his Dr. Dinger account.

[KingKat]

Hayhurst wrote a decent article about the situation: http://www.tsn.ca/hayhurst-anthopoulos-departure-is-far-from-bad-news-1.384794

 

There's a video where Westhead explains himself accompanying that article. He adds some nuance to what he said on Twitter.

[Laika]

Very few people are going to accept a position where they have to put their name on decisions they didn't fully want to make.

 

If Alex wants to be the GM of a baseball team and run every single aspect of its baseball side from top to bottom.... well, I hear OOTP16 is pretty good.