Alex Anthopoulos Departing

[fireballW]

Blue Jays 2008 payroll- 97.7 Million

 

Blue Jays 2015 Payroll-122.5 Million

 

Can anyone find average MLB team payroll by year? I would think the % of average payroll from 2008 to 2015 isn't much different for the Blue Jays

 

I'd rather take my shot even on guys like Johnson and Reyes than on Burnett and BJ Ryan.

 

I didn't mind JP though tbh and Shapiro will probably be okay too. But I'd take AA over either of them if I was the owner.

[BTS]

Blue Jays 2008 payroll- 97.7 Million

 

Blue Jays 2015 Payroll-122.5 Million

 

Can anyone find average MLB team payroll by year? I would think the % of average payroll from 2008 to 2015 isn't much different for the Blue Jays

 

MLB payroll ranks in the JPR years:

 

11 (2002)

21

21

25

16

16

13

16 (2009)

 

AA has had three years ranked 9th or 10th. And JPR had no money to spend on the draft or international signings. Also, 2015 payroll was around 140M, not 122.5.

[JaysAllMighty]

The thing I don't get is why AA would walk when his contract had a 1 year opt-out clause. I get that no one can force him to sign, but this was his team and maybe he could have learned a thing or two from Shapiro. Worse case he could have taken the high road after giving it a shot and then saying we're just not a good fit.

 

That's exactly my thoughts also plus the fact that Shapiro may have come to like AA. Could you imagine if everyone would quit because they get a new boss? Very immature of AA imo.

[burlingtonbandit]

MLB payroll ranks in the JPR years:

 

11 (2002)

21

21

25

16

16

13

16 (2009)

 

AA has had three years ranked 9th or 10th. And JPR had no money to spend on the draft or international signings. Also, 2015 payroll around 140M, not 122.5.

 

2008 and 2015 really aren't any different. in 08 Jays were 3 million from being 11th and in 15 were 3 million from being 13th. Those were the years each regime had their "last shot at winning before being fired"

 

The draft budget hurt JPR I'm sure but his draft record was pretty terrible regardless. Many mistakes he made there.

[ElNik2013]

Team president has to take the blame for not getting enough payroll for his GM to work with either to restock farm system or to spend on MLB roster.

 

Beeston did a good job of getting funds for his GM to work with while a guy like Godfrey didn't.

 

 

Imagine if AA had spent a bunch of money on a closer to get savez, man he'd be dumberer than he is.

[fireballW]

You always know someone on here knows they've been caught when they start writing insults before their arguments. I remember JP getting that same boost in payroll and what did he do with it? Of course things lagged behind the first three years, it was another what... 7 years or so of losing by that point. I don't know why "he sold the team way better" leads you to believe that means only to the fans. Payroll went up because Rogers was convinced to raise it. You can give the credit to AA or to Beeston but I'm guessing giving it to Beeston would leave an even more sour taste in your mouth.

[BTS]

2008 and 2015 really aren't any different. in 08 Jays were 3 million from being 11th and in 15 were 3 million from being 13th. Those were the years each regime had their "last shot at winning before being fired"

 

The draft budget hurt JPR I'm sure but his draft record was pretty terrible regardless. Many mistakes he made there.

 

Funny enough, that 2008 team won 86 games and had a pythag of 93-69. It was an excellent team.

 

The fact is that AA was given much more support than his predecessors. That's inarguable. It would have taken a Rays-level front office to consistently compete in that environment with that level of support.

[fireballW]

Funny enough, that 2008 team won 86 games and had a pythag of 93-69. It was an excellent team.

 

The fact is that AA was given much more support than his predecessors. That's inarguable. It would have taken a Rays-level front office to consistently compete in that environment with that level of support.

 

You mean ex-rays management.

[BTS]

You always know someone on here knows they've been caught when they start writing insults before their arguments. I remember JP getting that same boost in payroll and what did he do with it? Of course things lagged behind the first three years, it was another what... 7 years or so of losing by that point. I don't know why "he sold the team way better" leads you to believe that means only to the fans. Payroll went up because Rogers was convinced to raise it. You can give the credit to AA or to Beeston but I'm guessing giving it to Beeston would leave an even more sour taste in your mouth.

 

This whole post is ridiculous.

[Jimcanuck]

It is not enough? You are looking 2 years away and they already have just shy of what could be 50% of their team locked up and it isn't enough? Almost guaranteed at least another guy pop up between now and then. They have over half their outfield as well as two very solid infielders locked up in Donaldson and Travis. They have a young pitching staff and the only real players they need to replace for years are at positions like 1B and corner outfield. If Travis is anything even close to what he showed this season then I don't see how this team isn't fine for much longer than just next year.

 

Young pitching staff? The pitching staff going forward looks brutal.

[burlingtonbandit]

Funny enough, that 2008 team won 86 games and had a pythag of 93-69. It was an excellent team.

 

The fact is that AA was given much more support than his predecessors. That's inarguable. It would have taken a Rays-level front office to consistently compete in that environment with that level of support.

 

I'd agree with that. Certainly weren't going to win consistently with such a poor farm system.

[Jimcanuck]

Y poi t is we had shotty farm. AA restocked thru draft

Why cant Jays do the same next year or year after?

 

Jesus. By the time the prospects from this year's, next year's, and the following year draft are ready, Donaldson will be close to retirement.

[ElNik2013]

Could someone compare the state of the franchise under JPR when he took over vs when AA took it over?

 

This plays a role since the more pieces you need to add to the team, the more difficult the task will be.

 

I know they had Delgado, Wells, Cruz Jr and Halladay

[BTS]

I'd agree with that. Certainly weren't going to win consistently with such a poor farm system.

 

Even that comes back to ownership. JPR wasn't allowed to go overslot, and couldn't wait on high school talent because he had a mandate to win and needed cheap college talent breaking in ASAP to help the major league roster. There were also next to no international free agent signings made, because the money wasn't there.

 

He was awful with the media, but I really think he did a nice job in a situation that was next to impossible.

[dineke]

Even that comes back to ownership. JPR wasn't allowed to go overslot, and couldn't wait on high school talent because he had a mandate to win and needed cheap college talent breaking in ASAP to help the major league roster. There were also next to no international free agent signings made, because the money wasn't there.

 

He was awful with the media, but I really think he did a nice job in a situation that was next to impossible.

 

Why didn't rogers support JPR like they did when AA took over. Was that Paul Godfrey's doing?

[BTS]

Why didn't rogers support JPR like they did when AA took over. Was that Paul Godfrey's doing?

 

I have no idea, but hopefully it never goes back to that kind of situation.

[ElNik2013]

Cashman is praised for winning with a huge budget.

 

JPR was mandated to have a s***** farm system and to draft college players by ownership/Godfrey.

 

AA did a good job his first 3 years of building up the farm system and adding undervalued guys like Morrow, Rasmus and Escobar then loses all patience and gives up on the long-term plan and it has nothing to do with ownership/team president...seems biased to me.

 

I've been saying it for years, a lot of this all goes back to ownership/team presidents. I look forward to seeing the vision that Shapiro will lay out, but I remain suspicious with ownership since their first choice was Kenny Williams.

[burlingtonbandit]

Even that comes back to ownership. JPR wasn't allowed to go overslot, and couldn't wait on high school talent because he had a mandate to win and needed cheap college talent breaking in ASAP to help the major league roster. There were also next to no international free agent signings made, because the money wasn't there.

 

He was awful with the media, but I really think he did a nice job in a situation that was next to impossible.

 

Well him overruling the scouts by taking Romero over Tulo was a franchise altering mistake. He could of went underslot with picks to go overslot with others as well. And if he really believed in needing more money for the draft he should of communicated this with ownership.

[ElNik2013]

Well him overruling the scouts by taking Romero over Tulo was a franchise altering mistake. He could of went underslot with picks to go overslot with others as well. And if he really believed in needing more money for the draft he should of communicated this with ownership.

 

 

 

I disagree with the bit about how he should have communicated this with ownership. This falls under the team president's responsibilities, not the GM.

 

 

Hopefully, ownership lets Shapiro do his thing. I'm excited for the possibility of an efficiently run team that could afford some risks.

[BTS]

Well him overruling the scouts by taking Romero over Tulo was a franchise altering mistake. He could of went underslot with picks to go overslot with others as well. And if he really believed in needing more money for the draft he should of communicated this with ownership.

 

I'm sure he never thought of trying this.

[Smokey]

I'd listen to JP talk and he seems like an arrogant dork, I'd listen to AA talk and even though he never said anything useful the passion oozed through his veins.

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[burlingtonbandit]

The details are beginning to surface:

 

http://www.thebeaverton.com/sports/item/2193-anthopolous-rejects-rogers-contract-after-realizing-it-only-comes-with-150-long-distance-minutes

 

lol thats pretty funny.

[glory]

Paul Godfrey's rule was to not go overslot. JP did not have a choice. He was also hired after the Moneyball hype, likely to win on a small budget and get college draft picks to reach the Majors as quickly as possible. Not only that, but Godfrey was rumored to be a big meddler. The situations were not the same. AA was allowed to go overslot and spend huge internationally. JP's major league moves were generally good, it's just that he couldn't draft to save his life.

[ElNik2013]

Yup, everything JPR did wrong was the fault of the team president/owner...lol.

[burlingtonbandit]

Paul Godfrey's rule was to not go overslot. JP did not have a choice. He was also hired after the Moneyball hype, likely to win on a small budget and get college draft picks to reach the Majors as quickly as possible. Not only that, but Godfrey was rumored to be a big meddler. The situations were not the same. AA was allowed to go overslot and spend huge internationally. JP's major league moves were generally good, it's just that he couldn't draft to save his life.

 

So thankful Godfrey is gone. He was beyond terrible. I just want to forget that era even existed. Those black uniforms were some of the worst in sports too.

[GeorgiaPeach]

I say let as many bandwagon jumpers with all their opinions jump for the ride.

 

Wouldn't those fans need to have an idea about players on other teams?

[GeorgiaPeach]

Well building the best team in baseball has to be relevant, no?

 

Yeah, temporarily.

 

There's other organizations who are set up for the long haul far better than the Jays.

[GeorgiaPeach]

Lack of cost controlled youth? They have Pillar, Pompey, Travis and I would almost argue Donaldson

 

Since when is almost 30 in baseball considered young?

[Rusty_Savage]

Y poi t is we had shotty farm. AA restocked thru draft

Why cant Jays do the same next year or year after?

 

His main route, getting compensation picks has dried up and IFA will also be done with shortly as well.

[thatoneguy]

Yeah, temporarily.

 

There's other organizations who are set up for the long haul far better than the Jays.

 

There's also quite a few who are worse off, to be fair.