Alex Anthopoulos Departing

[Governator]

 

lol I read that as AA was rolling in money.

[jaysblue]

Could someone who has ESPN Insider post the Buster Olney article on how he wouldn't be shocked if AA possibly returned to Toronto? Thanks.

[closetjaysfan]

I believe his departure had more to do with perceived limits on his authority as GM than anything else. It appears that Shapiro wants more to do with the team than Beaston who probably cared more about the type of hotdogs being sold in concessions than the actual team.

[burlingtonbandit]

Could someone who has ESPN Insider post the Buster Olney article on how he wouldn't be shocked if AA possibly returned to Toronto? Thanks.

 

No point. Bowden said an hour later there is Zero chance AA would come back.

[King]

 

AA on MLB Network Radio this morning

[burlingtonbandit]

 

lol NJH and Hurl said there was no way they made even $50 million... When you include the TV money Rogers made well north of $100 million probably closer to $150-200 Million.

[GD]

Steve Simmons: Credible Journalist

[burlingtonbandit]

What do your numbers represent here? $50-200M of 2015 profit?

 

Well the article said they made $70 million in Ticket and Merchandise profit alone for this year. The non playoff TV revenue would show up next season more because of the pre-sold TV slots. They would of made a ton of money on the playoffs this year though for TV. Also Fan590 and SN.ca saw record numbers as well which helps Rogers make money but won't show up as profit for the Blue Jays.

[BTS]

Don't merchandise sales get divided among all 30 teams?

[GD]

Don't merchandise sales get divided among all 30 teams?

 

Yes 100%

[burlingtonbandit]

That is not what the article said, though. The article cites $48 million as "ticket and merchandise sales between August and late October."

 

The $70 million is an estimate that Steve Simmons came up with that includes the $48 million and additional ticket and merchandise sales through April. Remember that merchandise sales are shared among all 30 teams.

 

NJH and Hurl were arguing a completely different point using completely different numbers.

 

Yeah you never know with Simmons but I'll still stand by them making over 100 milllion. Its really remarkable how many TV viewers they get, especially in this day and age. I mean you look at the TV contract down south and the Blue Jays by far and away get more viewers than any of the other clubs. Even if ad revenue down south is worth a lot more per viewer the Jays should be raking in the $..

[GD]

Yeah you never know with Simmons

 

For the record, this is the guy who slandered Phil Kessel's work ethic, passion and entire existence based on a completely and utterly fictional story revolving around a hot dog vendor.

[BTS]

Yes 100%

 

So why do people keep bringing up merch sales from the playoff run as if they had an effect on team profits?

[Laika]

I believe the statement was - "well those 2 moves [Tulo and Price] helped make Rogers an extra $100-150 Million in revenue."

 

Completely different argument.

[GD]

So why do people keep bringing up merch sales from the playoff run as if they had an effect on team profits?

 

Because we're not crying poor like 5 years ago so people have kinda forgotten about revenue sharing, I think.

[burlingtonbandit]

I believe the statement was - "well those 2 moves [Tulo and Price] helped make Rogers an extra $100-150 Million in revenue."

 

Completely different argument.

 

Well then you get into a debate about whether the Jays make the playoffs or win the division if they don't make those trades etc.. The interest level spiked a ton when those trades happened though and I don't think they sell out every game if those trades don't happen. Also Fan590 and sportsnet.ca got a ton of extra traffic with the deals so the only people who really know how much it was worth in terms of $ will be the execs inside Rogers.

 

I still stand by them making over $100 million this year in profit. Now I'm not too familiar with how much they have to pay into revenue sharing so maybe they didn't actually take in all that $ but since Rogers owns SN and SN gets a below market TV deal they probably can game the system without having to pay MLB that much money.

[43211234]

Buster Olney linking a Steve Simmons article is extremely fitting.

[burlingtonbandit]

Did anyone notice the part at the end where it says don't be surprised if Bud Black is hired soon? That would be a great hire. It'd be awkward with Gibbons still here but if he were to ever take over he would be a great choice as manager. One of the best bullpen managers in the game.

[Angrioter]

Don't merchandise sales get divided among all 30 teams?

 

Just the first 162 games.

[BTS]

Just the first 162 games.

 

link?

[Angrioter]

link?

 

Dont find the link, but...................

Playoff gains among players

The X article of the collective agreement between MLB-MLBPA explains the point of the remuneration of players participating in the postseason. According to the rules, you must first create a "pool" or background of the World Series, Series and Series Divisional Championships to be nurtured as follows:

 

1) 60% of the total box office of the first four games of the World Series;

2) 60% of the total box office of the first 4 games of each championship series;

3) 60% of the total box office of the first 3 games of each Division Series.

 

The fund then players is distributed as follows:

 

1) The World Series winner receives 36% of the fund

2) The World Series loser receives 24% of the fund

3) The losers of the championship series of the fund 24%

4) The losers of the Division Series Fund 12%

5) 4% of the fund for equipment, without wildcards, finished in second place in their division.

 

The collective agreement sets minimum limits of $ 2,416,450 for the winner of the World Series, teams must ensure but usually these figures are far exceeded. For example, in 2005, the Chicago White Sox received nearly $ 15 million fund, which represented approximately $ 300,000 per player.

 

We will summarize the most important aspects before giving some examples. With the money from the box office of the playoffs a fund which is then distributed among the players created. The division of the "actions" of the fund is determined at a meeting of players and usually covers only those who have been longer on the roster but sometimes exceptions.

 

In 2009, Anaheim players decided to give a share to the family of Nick Adenhart, pitcher who had died in a traffic accident earlier that season. That action ended valued at about $ 138,087.

 

In 2004, players of the Boston Red Sox gave him ¾ of action although Nomar Garciaparra had been changed mid-season.

 

In 2007, Colorado's players gave a share to the family of Mike Coolbaugh, a coach who died in a minor league game after being hit in the neck by a foul ball. In this case the action ended valued at $ 233,505.

 

A curious case is that of Fred Lewis who in 2010 did not play a single inning for San Francisco before being sent to the Toronto Blue Jays and yet, having been on the roster for a few days, he had to get a ring World Series and even a small share of the fund, which ultimately determined about $ 15,000.

[RealAccountant]

Fred Lewis

 

There is a name to cause some Sunday puke.

[TheHurl]

lol NJH and Hurl said there was no way they made even $50 million... When you include the TV money Rogers made well north of $100 million probably closer to $150-200 Million.

 

you have Steve Simmons on your side...I'll take my side still. He took MLB licensed material on his side (wrong). He took ticket sales, and food sales into account, without considering that Aramark makes the majority on the concessions (and have that contract until 2018), also he didn't look at the additional expenses. Rogers got huge complaints about lines, and issues leaving the park. They had to bring in additional staff and hired 50 police for all the games after August 15th. They paid a million for the street closures too. They made money, and they will make good money next year...but it's not crazy numbers.

[TheHurl]

What do your numbers represent here? $50-200M of 2015 profit?

 

$50 - $100M since August 1st.

[burlingtonbandit]

you have Steve Simmons on your side...I'll take my side still. He took MLB licensed material on his side (wrong). He took ticket sales, and food sales into account, without considering that Aramark makes the majority on the concessions (and have that contract until 2018), also he didn't look at the additional expenses. Rogers got huge complaints about lines, and issues leaving the park. They had to bring in additional staff and hired 50 police for all the games after August 15th. They paid a million for the street closures too. They made money, and they will make good money next year...but it's not crazy numbers.

 

And that all doesn't take into account the most profitable property- The media revenue. TV, radio, SN.ca etc all brought in record breaking numbers. Like you said, not all of the revenue will show up this season because regular season TV ads are already purchased for the most part. But when you get 30 million viewers for the playoffs that is worth a ton of money.

 

To put it in perspective the Ottawa Senators get paid around $30 million per season by TSN for the regional TV rights to around 60 games per year. The average viewership of the games is 200-250K. So that is about 15 million viewers over the course of the season and they get paid $30 million. Well SN just got more than that for the postseason alone.

[GeorgiaPeach]

Did anyone notice the part at the end where it says don't be surprised if Bud Black is hired soon? That would be a great hire. It'd be awkward with Gibbons still here but if he were to ever take over he would be a great choice as manager. One of the best bullpen managers in the game.

 

They could hire Black on as the President Manager and keep Gibby around as the "Manager"

[KingKat]

To put it in perspective the Ottawa Senators get paid around $30 million per season by TSN for the regional TV rights to around 60 games per year. The average viewership of the games is 200-250K. So that is about 15 million viewers over the course of the season and they get paid $30 million. Well SN just got more than that for the postseason alone.

 

And this tells you absolutely nothing about how much profit is getting cleared by Sportsnet. I've yet to see anyone arguing that there's all this revenue produce a bottom line. The only one who's produced one is Hurl and he's arguing the opposite. Until you can show the money, you're just spitballing.

[burlingtonbandit]

And this tells you absolutely nothing about how much profit is getting cleared by Sportsnet. I've yet to see anyone arguing that there's all this revenue produce a bottom line. The only one who's produced one is Hurl and he's arguing the opposite. Until you can show the money, you're just spitballing.

 

What benefit does Rogers have of disclosing how much money they make off the Blue Jays? If fans find out they made 100 million in profit and didn't raise payroll that would piss them off even more.

[KingKat]

What benefit does Rogers have of disclosing how much money they make off the Blue Jays? If fans find out they made 100 million in profit and didn't raise payroll that would piss them off even more.

 

Rogers is publicly traded. They don't have the luxury of hiding. Everything will come out. Hurl posted some information based on prior quaterlies which gave an idea of what kind of money Sportsnet can bring in.

[burlingtonbandit]

Rogers is publicly traded. They don't have the luxury of hiding. Everything will come out. Hurl posted some information based on prior quaterlies which gave an idea of what kind of money Sportsnet can bring in.

 

http://www.thestar.com/business/2015/10/08/blue-jays-playoff-run-adds-to-rogers-bottom-line.html

 

Schwartz estimates the team is now worth 50 per cent more than his initial appraisal of about $950 million in 2013. His estimate is based on revenue from ticket sales, concessions, sponsorships and broadcast rights, as well as ownership interests in TV channels, radio stations and real estate. It also includes the team’s stake in league revenue sharing

 

“Hope is what attracts sports fans,” said Marc Ganis, president of Chicago-based Sportscorp Ltd., a consultant to professional sports teams. He pegs the value of the Blue Jays at $1.4 billion to $1.6 billion, in the same range as teams such as the San Francisco Giants and Los Angeles Dodgers. He estimates the New York Yankees are worth more than $4 billion. The Dodgers were sold for $2 billion in 2012 to a group including Guggenheim Partners and ex-basketball player Magic Johnson.

 

The success has helped Rogers’ Sportsnet channel post its highest ratings ever, Scott Moore, president of the company’s TV sports properties, said by phone. Advertising revenue is up in the “low double-digits,” and will likely increase during the playoffs, he said.

 

If the team's value grew 500-600k in 2 years and "lost money" last year then I'm sure they made tons of money this year. That's really the closest I've heard to how much advertising revenue they have received. With cross promotion of their own shows you really can't get a true value for the TV ads anyway since other programs get more viewers which is a result of the Blue Jays.

 

Then, there is also the carriage fees Sportsnet can charge. Those revenues would be more of a factor for the coming year(s) but then that gets back to my entire point of the whole thing which is that the Blue Jays should be putting more money into the team. If they are getting additional revenue of close to 100-200 Million next year then why keep payroll the same or lower it?