Official MiLB/Prospects Thread

[Terminator]

would you be happy if Bichette became the next prime Jeff Kent and Vlad Jr. became God?

 

My projection for Bo is a little higher but I would probably take that.

[jimedmonds]

There's no telling how his D will play in the Majors, scouts don't like his D, but they've been wrong before. Who knows?!

 

This is from a scout who saw him mid-August...

 

Defense: He's a big kid already and he's only going to get bigger. While he's agile for his size, he doesn't move well enough from side to side at present to see him being able to stick at third longterm. I'm not sold that he would definitely need to move to first- a spot that his athleticism would let him be a quality defender and a spot the bat still easily plays at.

 

I can actually see him getting a look in left field to take advantage of his athletic ability. His defense is hard to project because it depends on his body/growth as well as position, but I see a 30/40 at third, 50/60 at first, and 40/45 in left. The arm is big and will get a plus grade, and that’s another reason why I could imagine him potentially getting a look in left field.

 

if he has a potential plus arm, feels like a waste to keep him at 1B. as long as he can play to a DWAR neutral level at any position, it's a win in my books. If he can do that at any position other than 1B, that's definitely an even bigger win.

 

on a side note, I still feel like this team sucks balls in terms of positional prospects. I'm only excited about Vlad and Bichette. Alford is going to be a solid regular. not convinced on Jansen/McGuire and have little expectation of Teoscar being a poor man's Jose Cruz Jr. the arms look good, but definitely more positional talent and general hitting is needed.

[Spanky__99]

if he has a potential plus arm, feels like a waste to keep him at 1B. as long as he can play to a DWAR neutral level at any position, it's a win in my books. If he can do that at any position other than 1B, that's definitely an even bigger win.

 

on a side note, I still feel like this team sucks balls in terms of positional prospects. I'm only excited about Vlad and Bichette. Alford is going to be a solid regular. not convinced on Jansen/McGuire and have little expectation of Teoscar being a poor man's Jose Cruz Jr. the arms look good, but definitely more positional talent and general hitting is needed.

 

I Said Good Day!!!

[THANOS]

My projection for Bo is a little higher but I would probably take that.

 

Bo could be scary good. My hope for his ceiling is Altuve.

[Olerud363]

He's a year older which is a big deal and keeps him from being considered as good of a prospect. Still had a very impressive season though.

 

He is a year older. That matters a bit. He also projects to have more defensive and base running value. That should even them out a bit.

 

Actually from what I have heard, the big knock on Bo, is still scouting opinion of his swing. An equivalent prospect, same age, same numbers, would be challenging for number one, if the scouts liked his swing,.

 

A 19 year old short stop, with Bo's numbers would normally be top 5, Addison Russel was 3 with inferior numbers... so I am guessing the scouts don't like his swing or his defense.

[Olerud363]

My projection for Bo is a little higher but I would probably take that.

 

If he had a prime like Jeff Kent's that would be on par with the best players in Blue Jays history.

 

I assume, by that, you mean, you'd rather him take off at age 21, with the Blue Jays, rather than take his time to make it, get traded for a rental, drift around a bit, then hit his all star years with his fourth team, while in his 30s.

[Terminator]

If he had a prime like Jeff Kent's that would be on par with the best players in Blue Jays history.

 

I assume, by that, you mean, you'd rather him take off at age 21, with the Blue Jays, rather than take his time to make it, get traded for a rental, drift around a bit, then hit his all star years with his fourth team, while in his 30s.

 

Well I was hoping that the comp for Vlad being God and me saying "I'd probably take that" would be a give away that I was joking. Of course I'd take Bo Bichette being as good as a former MVP and multi-time All-Star.

[jimedmonds]

remember the whole meme with Jeff Kent being the gay man's dream? i never understood what that was all about and just assumed that he was openly gay.

apparently it's something to do with his mustache or something

[Spanky__99]

Bo could be scary good. My hope for his ceiling is Altuve.

 

Easy... Cowboy!

[Krylian]

remember the whole meme with Jeff Kent being the gay man's dream? i never understood what that was all about and just assumed that he was openly gay.

apparently it's something to do with his mustache or something

 

WTF does this have to do with prospects? Or anything really....

[Spanky__99]

WTF does this have to do with prospects? Or anything really....

 

lol

[KevinGregg]

A 19 year old short stop, with Bo's numbers would normally be top 5, Addison Russel was 3 with inferior numbers... so I am guessing the scouts don't like his swing or his defense.

 

Apparently both are issues. Most of the scouting reports I've read project him to move off of SS to 2nd or 3rd base and also figure his swing will get exposed against good pitching. The big jump from A to AA pitching as well as the huge jump from AA to MLB pitching will each be a big test - so he really has a lot to prove in the upper levels still before scouts will admit his swing works.

 

If both Vlad and Bo prove they can remain on the left side of the infield that would be huge for the Jays. Those bats play anywhere but its so much more valuable to have a player who can actually play good defense at an important position.

[gruber92]

Vladdy 3-4 with a HR in game one.

[Melvin]

Vladdy 3-4 with a HR in game one.

 

Game 2*

[metafour]

So Nate Pearson has 9 strikeouts through 3 innings......

[P2F]

[Melvin]

So Nate Pearson has 9 strikeouts through 3 innings......

 

What a stud. 10 through 4 now.

[THANOS]

So Nate Pearson has 9 strikeouts through 3 innings......

 

What a stud. 10 through 4 now.

 

I wonder what his pitch limit is? He's at 74 now. He's going to be absolute beast.

[TheHurl]

I've got several friends at the game tonight. Haven't heard anything since the first, one guy is sitting behind the gun. Hit 101 in the first. Warmoth he said puts on a show in BP

[jimedmonds]

who are some Jays prospects/under-25 youths in the past decade that were traded away and whose absence we have grown to regret?

 

I honestly can't think of too many in spite of the general outrage when the transactions transpired, especially with respect to AA's deals.

 

actually, the only one that comes to mind is Syndergaard - but we all knew how moronic that was at the time and don't need hindsight for that.

 

other guys like Norris, Hoffman, Castro, D'Arnaud, Alvarez, Hechavarria, Nicolino, Marisnick - jury is still out on a couple of them but so far, doesn't seem like we'll miss them all that much.

[Brownie19]

I've got several friends at the game tonight. Haven't heard anything since the first, one guy is sitting behind the gun. Hit 101 in the first. Warmoth he said puts on a show in BP

 

That's an odd thing to hear from a guy rocking an ISO of like .118 on the season. Does he reenact the last scene in Joseph and the Amazing Technicolor Dreamcoat or something?

[Brownie19]

who are some Jays prospects/under-25 youths in the past decade that were traded away and whose absence we have grown to regret?

 

I honestly can't think of too many in spite of the general outrage when the transactions transpired, especially with respect to AA's deals.

 

actually, the only one that comes to mind is Syndergaard - but we all knew how moronic that was at the time and don't need hindsight for that.

 

other guys like Norris, Hoffman, Castro, D'Arnaud, Alvarez, Hechavarria, Nicolino, Marisnick - jury is still out on a couple of them but so far, doesn't seem like we'll miss them all that much.

 

Often it's not what the prospects become, it's what their value is at the time when they were traded and what the return was. Most were upset that they traded prospects (with perceived value) for declining veterans with back loaded, expensive contracts - when those same prospects potentially could have been used to get more cost controlled, valuable assets.

 

Also - you're suggesting that everyone knew Syndergaard would become one of the best pitchers in baseball, while nobody should be upset we traded Norris or Hoffman is pretty ignorant.

 

We also dealt Anthony DeSclafani, who's a good pitcher, yet wasn't listed.

[Captain Adama]

Often it's not what the prospects become, it's what their value is at the time when they were traded and what the return was. Most were upset that they traded prospects (with perceived value) for declining veterans with back loaded, expensive contracts - when those same prospects potentially could have been used to get more cost controlled, valuable assets.

 

Also - you're suggesting that everyone knew Syndergaard would become one of the best pitchers in baseball, while nobody should be upset we traded Norris or Hoffman is pretty ignorant.

 

We also dealt Anthony DeSclafani, who's a good pitcher, yet wasn't listed.

 

When DeSclafani's healthy he's good.

[jimedmonds]

Often it's not what the prospects become, it's what their value is at the time when they were traded and what the return was. Most were upset that they traded prospects (with perceived value) for declining veterans with back loaded, expensive contracts - when those same prospects potentially could have been used to get more cost controlled, valuable assets.

 

Also - you're suggesting that everyone knew Syndergaard would become one of the best pitchers in baseball, while nobody should be upset we traded Norris or Hoffman is pretty ignorant.

 

We also dealt Anthony DeSclafani, who's a good pitcher, yet wasn't listed.

 

RE Bold: I completely agree - but rather than be contrarian, why can't we just evaluate my original post on the basis of hindsight.

RE Italics: I didn't suggest or imply s***. I'm just asking a simple question - you're inferring way too much into my thought process behind a rather innocuous post to generate discussion on a September morning without much happening on the Jays front...

 

It's not ignorant - Norris and Hoffman were highly rated, but not nearly to the extent that Syndergaard was. My post also also wasn't anything about the value of the players or their respective returns - you mentioned that, or inferred from my post, rather. It was simply to evaluate that, of the prospects that were traded away, how many of them materialized into premium players.

 

But I think most people were less distraught about Norris (although there were still a few) going for a perennial all-star in David Price for half a season in the middle of a pennant race than they were for an aging knuckleballer who really shouldn't have won the Cy Young over Kershaw that year.

 

Forgot about DeSclafani. He definitely turned out well. Any others?

[Orgfiller]

That's an odd thing to hear from a guy rocking an ISO of like .118 on the season. Does he reenact the last scene in Joseph and the Amazing Technicolor Dreamcoat or something?

 

There exists a distinction between raw power and game power. Clearly Hurl's friend is indicating that the former manifests itself during BP but he has yet to tap into it with consistency during games, not exactly uncommon for a player experiencing their first taste of professional baseball.

[John_Havok]

Barreto maybe in Oakland?

 

Graveman perhaps...but not like he's a stud, just a steady 4/5

[Brownie19]

There exists a distinction between raw power and game power. Clearly Hurl's friend is indicating that the former manifests itself during BP but he has yet to tap into it with consistency during games, not exactly uncommon for a player experiencing their first taste of professional baseball.

 

I get that. I thought Warmouth was a short little slab hitter (although I see Fangraphs lists him at 6'0 190 lbs) and thus it seemed odd he's put on a laser show in BP. Then again, I do recall people raving about the HR's that Ichiro would hit in BP...my conclusion is Warmouth = Ichiro. Awesome.

[Ray]

Is there an argument to be made that this is the deepest the Jays farm has ever been? It seems we have a good enough prospect

 

Catcher: Jansen, McGuire, Riley Adams, maybe Pentecost, Hagen Danner

Pitchers: Borucki, Pannone, SRF, Harris, Pearson, Pardinho, Zeuch, Greene, Maese, Romano

1B: Tellez, Pentecost (?), Clemens,

INF: Bichette, Vlad Jr., Warmoth, Urena, Samad Taylor, Gurriel Jr.

OF: Teoscar Hernandez, Smith Jr, Alford, Gurriel Jr., Ramirez.

 

Some will pan out, some will not. But definitely seems like we have decent depth behind most every position. BA had us ranked as the #9 farm in all of baseball midseason, and that was considered "near-elite" despite being top heavy. Between Bo and Vlad rising in the ranks, Alford continuing to hit well, and Astros trading away their depth for Verlander, I expect us to be a consensus Top 10 farm to begin next season.

[Bobthe4th]

Is there an argument to be made that this is the deepest the Jays farm has ever been? It seems we have a good enough prospect

 

Catcher: Jansen, McGuire, Riley Adams, maybe Pentecost, Hagen Danner

Pitchers: Borucki, Pannone, SRF, Harris, Pearson, Pardinho, Zeuch, Greene, Maese, Romano

1B: Tellez, Pentecost (?), Clemens,

INF: Bichette, Vlad Jr., Warmoth, Urena, Samad Taylor, Gurriel Jr.

OF: Teoscar Hernandez, Smith Jr, Alford, Gurriel Jr., Ramirez.

 

Some will pan out, some will not. But definitely seems like we have decent depth behind most every position. BA had us ranked as the #9 farm in all of baseball midseason, and that was considered "near-elite" despite being top heavy. Between Bo and Vlad rising in the ranks, Alford continuing to hit well, and Astros trading away their depth for Verlander, I expect us to be a consensus Top 10 farm to begin next season.

 

The negative is if you take out Bo and Vlad it doesn't look anything like as good.

 

The positive is that how many other teams have 2 elite prospects like that?

 

Agree top ten is realistic.

[Spanky__99]

That's an odd thing to hear from a guy rocking an ISO of like .118 on the season. Does he reenact the last scene in Joseph and the Amazing Technicolor Dreamcoat or something?

 

Raw Power, Game Power... c'mon man?!