Official MiLB/Prospects Thread

[Krylian]

Babe was an 80/80

[Terminator]

Tony Gwynn with a .338 career BA and a 4.2% K percentage would have to be an 80 hit tool. Boggs isn't a whole lot worse than that either.

[Terminator]

Babe was an 80/80

 

Looks like it to me. Ted Williams maybe too. His K-rate was a lot lower than Ruth's but SLG was similar.

[Laika]

Looks like it to me. Ted Williams maybe too. His K-rate was a lot lower than Ruth's but SLG was similar.

 

Ted Williams is like, THE 80 hit tool. Many consider him to be the best "hitter" ever.

 

He literally wrote the book on hitting!

[Terminator]

Ted Williams is like, THE 80 hit tool. Many consider him to be the best "hitter" ever.

 

He literally wrote the book on hitting!

 

Yeah the hit tool was for sure an 80 and I think the power was too but that's why I said 80. I've read that book before, it's really good and really simplifies things.

[burlingtonbandit]

Mike Trout? He strikes out a bit more than your prototypical 80 hitter but someone who's on their 6th consecutive season of 170 wRC+ and possibly getting better has to have at least one 80 grade tool, and Trout's isn't power.

 

He's got a .335 ISO this year and that's playing at one of the worst hitting parks in LA. Had a .290 in 2015 as well.

 

Probably not an 80 because now there are so many guys like Stanton, Judge and Gallo but he's close I'd say.

[baseballsss]

Lou Gehrig has got to be close to an 80

[Orgfiller]

He's got a .335 ISO this year and that's playing at one of the worst hitting parks in LA. Had a .290 in 2015 as well.

 

Probably not an 80 because now there are so many guys like Stanton, Judge and Gallo but he's close I'd say.

 

I think sort of how NJH mentioned about Pujols, Trout posts great power numbers because of his elite hitting ability. He has the perfect swing, hits the ball hard and at the perfect launch angle, but he doesn't have the prodigious raw power of some of those guys that you brought up.

[Captain Adama]

I would think Manny Ramirez was an 80 hitter.

[burlingtonbandit]

I think sort of how NJH mentioned about Pujols, Trout posts great power numbers because of his elite hitting ability. He has the perfect swing, hits the ball hard and at the perfect launch angle, but he doesn't have the prodigious raw power of some of those guys that you brought up.

 

Yeah that's fair.

[Olerud363]

Yeah that's fair.

 

This thread is so full of s***. Trout and Pujols have awesome power. Their not using line drive goodness to hit 375 foot floaters to the opposite field.

 

1. Trout and Pujols have hit some of the longest homeruns in Angels/Cardinals history

 

2. http://m.mlb.com/cutfour/2015/01/18/106693382/blast-those-offseason-blues-away-the-10-longest-home-runs-of-2014-in-gifs

Trout hit the longest homerun of 2014. 489 feet. He has as much power as anyone.

 

3. I am guessing both had higher line drive percentages then say Mike Stanton, thus hit for higher average

 

4. Trout strikes out an amazing amount for a .320 hitter. Does he have one of the highest batting average in play ever??

 

Fact is Trout and Pujols have awesome power. John Olerud 1993, or Wade Boggs 1987 (when weird ball made his line drives go over the fence) are examples of good line drive hitters, also getting homers.

 

Trout/Pujols have as much a power tool as a hit tool. Pujols has won 2 homer titles, 1 batting title.

 

Trout Pujols Strong. Hit ball a mile, when in air. Pujols (prime, and even now) doesn't strike out. Trout strikes out, but runs well, so probably gets more infield hits.

[Jimcanuck]

yes stupid to run comps out for a guy that's going to rewrite the record books

 

probably a cross between the splendid splinter and that 'roids guy

[Spanky__99]

Pannone and Zeuch pitched well, loving it.

 

http://mlbfarm.com/index.php?team=TOR

[keggy]

A true 80 hitter has bat to ball skills, puts the ball in play consistently with authority, and doesn't strike out. The barrel stays in the hitting zone for such a long time they can make solid contact even when they're fooled.

 

They should be competing for batting titles on a regular basis. More credit to someone who can make contact with authority as opposed to slapping the ball into play. An 80 hitter's vintage seasons will often have more home runs than strikeouts.

 

To me, Joe Dimaggio is the prototypical 80 hit guy. Gwynn, Williams, and Boggs all up there. Edgar Martinez is a step below that, but has a similar profile. A lot of current guys are fooled way too often to be considered an 80 hit.

[Captain Adama]

A true 80 hitter has bat to ball skills, puts the ball in play consistently with authority, and doesn't strike out. The barrel stays in the hitting zone for such a long time they can make solid contact even when they're fooled.

 

They should be competing for batting titles on a regular basis. More credit to someone who can make contact with authority as opposed to slapping the ball into play. An 80 hitter's vintage seasons will often have more home runs than strikeouts.

 

To me, Joe Dimaggio is the prototypical 80 hit guy. Gwynn, Williams, and Boggs all up there. Edgar Martinez is a step below that, but has a similar profile. A lot of current guys are fooled way too often to be considered an 80 hit.

 

Is it that they're fooled too much? Or are the pitchers getting better? (relative to their historical counterparts.)

[John_Havok]

Is it that they're fooled too much? Or are the pitchers getting better? (relative to their historical counterparts.)

 

A very fair point when you consider the KRate of pitchers throughout the history of the game.

 

Cy Youngs k/9 career was 3.43 and his best season was 5.89. So many more balls were being put in play back then.

 

But, the mound was higher then and the fences were 5 miles away.

[Angrioter]

A true 80 hitter has bat to ball skills, puts the ball in play consistently with authority, and doesn't strike out. The barrel stays in the hitting zone for such a long time they can make solid contact even when they're fooled.

 

They should be competing for batting titles on a regular basis. More credit to someone who can make contact with authority as opposed to slapping the ball into play. An 80 hitter's vintage seasons will often have more home runs than strikeouts.

 

To me, Joe Dimaggio is the prototypical 80 hit guy. Gwynn, Williams, and Boggs all up there. Edgar Martinez is a step below that, but has a similar profile. A lot of current guys are fooled way too often to be considered an 80 hit.

 

Yeah.

Placido Polanco 80 and Mike Trout 70

[Olerud363]

Yeah.

Placido Polanco 80 and Mike Trout 70

 

Rance Mulliniks was pretty good too.

 

This is a dumb conversation. Hitting has three components, power, average and patience.

 

Ted Williams combined all three better than anyone.

 

In modern day baseball Frank Thomas was good in his 20s. Barry Bonds was good and had more homeruns than strikeouts the year he turned 40.

 

There has been no one, that I am aware of that could do what Ted Williams could do.

 

Barry Bonds took every drug known to man, and I think he may have got so strong, he could cut down his swing, still hit for power, and cut his k-rate way down.

 

So for his best four year stretch, Barry Bonds, almost did what Ted Williams could do. Bonds had more power.

 

But it took every drug known to man to do it.

 

Bonds was good. He was at a Frank Thomas/Edgar Martinez level before 2000.

[Slade]

Can we end this terrible off topic discussion?

[jimedmonds]

what about me in my prime? 60/60?

 

p.s. how am i not in the HOF? ridiculous!

[Krylian]

what about me in my prime? 60/60?

 

p.s. how am i not in the HOF? ridiculous!

 

Because you spell your first and last name without any caps.

[Captain Adama]

Can we end this terrible off topic discussion?

 

No.

[Nafro]

Because you spell your first and last name without any caps.

 

This ^

[Mikeleelop]

this is a Milb/Prospect thread isn't it??

[Melvin]

what about me in my prime? 60/60?

 

p.s. how am i not in the HOF? ridiculous!

 

Because you're too busy on real housewives to spend time massaging the right people in order to get those Cooperstown votes.

[Ray]

Finalists for 2017 Baseball-America Minor League PoTY:

 

 

Both Vlad and Bo. What a time to be alive.

[Terminator]

Where do Bo and Vlad Jr. start next season? A+ or AA?

[KevinGregg]

Where do Bo and Vlad Jr. start next season? A+ or AA?

 

what do either of them have to prove at high A

I say AA

[Terminator]

what do either of them have to prove at high A

I say AA

 

I would start them in AA as well. Do they get Spring Training Invites?

[bendera3]

I would start them in AA as well. Do they get Spring Training Invites?

 

I would. Let them be around the big guys for a few weeks before sending them down to the minor league side.