AL MVP....Donaldson or Trout???

[Hipfan]

David Price is great, that is obvious. But by allocating some of the risk David Price @30M AAV over 7 years into a couple of FA starters at less money on shorter contracts you likely make yourself better in the short term, and the long term. You add quality arms to the starting rotation and create some depth that is more definitely going to be needed in 2016.

 

The same people who are calling for a Price signing will be the same ones calling for Rogers' head if we do, and in turn can't afford to sign or extend Donaldson. Becoming short sighted and focusing on next year alone hardly ever works out without some type of repercussions.

 

On the flip side, who would we possible sign instead of Price, and at what cost/risk? Jordan Zimmermann is probably a realistic target, but he's not as good as Price, and what type of contract will he get? I'd imagine a Jon Lester type deal of 150M+. Who else do you sign? Kazmir? He's got major injury history, and while he may be past that, he's still going to get paid.

 

Then you have the issue that most guys don't want to play in Toronto, so you would have to over pay for them to convince them to come. Price (seemingly) loves playing here, so convincing him to stay would be easier than bringing in an outsider. Plus you don't lose your draft pick for signing someone who has a QA attached (although I know Kazmir doesn't).

 

For the sake of argument, lets say the Jays were able to sign either Price @ 7-210M and keep the draft pick, or Kaz and Zim for a combined 10 years and 210M, with a loss of a draft pick, which one is better?

[dineke]

You could do this game for every franchise in sports. What if the Jays didn't trade for Donaldson? What if they didn't trade for Tulo and we'd still be watching Reyes lose balls through his legs and barely get on base at the top of the order. I'll gladly take the trades AA has made as a whole considering all he's done.

 

Our new Prez traded Chris Archer for Mark Derosa lol...

 

But I guess you can't really fault him because Archer was not much at that point.

[BTS]

On the flip side, who would we possible sign instead of Price, and at what cost/risk? Jordan Zimmermann is probably a realistic target, but he's not as good as Price, and what type of contract will he get? I'd imagine a Jon Lester type deal of 150M+. Who else do you sign? Kazmir? He's got major injury history, and while he may be past that, he's still going to get paid.

 

Then you have the issue that most guys don't want to play in Toronto, so you would have to over pay for them to convince them to come. Price (seemingly) loves playing here, so convincing him to stay would be easier than bringing in an outsider. Plus you don't lose your draft pick for signing someone who has a QA attached (although I know Kazmir doesn't).

 

For the sake of argument, lets say the Jays were able to sign either Price @ 7-210M and keep the draft pick, or Kaz and Zim for a combined 10 years and 210M, with a loss of a draft pick, which one is better?

 

You don't sign Kazmir or Zimmermann. A few options:

 

Buehrle accepts his QO

Anderson on a 1-year deal

Lackey or Iwakuma if you can convince them on a rich 2-year deal

Possibly Kennedy, Chen, or Samardzija if the market doesn't develop for them as they hope

 

You're not going to replace Price, but you should be able to get a nice rotation piece in the short-term without too much risk.

[Governator]

You don't sign Kazmir or Zimmermann. A few options:

 

Buehrle accepts his QO

Anderson on a 1-year deal

Lackey or Iwakuma if you can convince them on a rich 2-year deal

Possibly Kennedy, Chen, or Samardzija if the market doesn't develop for them as they hope

 

You're not going to replace Price, but you should be able to get a nice rotation piece in the short-term without too much risk.

 

Not to mention there's a possibility Stroman is our best chance at replacing Price anyway.

[Stangstag]

On the flip side, who would we possible sign instead of Price, and at what cost/risk? Jordan Zimmermann is probably a realistic target, but he's not as good as Price, and what type of contract will he get? I'd imagine a Jon Lester type deal of 150M+. Who else do you sign? Kazmir? He's got major injury history, and while he may be past that, he's still going to get paid.

 

Then you have the issue that most guys don't want to play in Toronto, so you would have to over pay for them to convince them to come. Price (seemingly) loves playing here, so convincing him to stay would be easier than bringing in an outsider. Plus you don't lose your draft pick for signing someone who has a QA attached (although I know Kazmir doesn't).

 

For the sake of argument, lets say the Jays were able to sign either Price @ 7-210M and keep the draft pick, or Kaz and Zim for a combined 10 years and 210M, with a loss of a draft pick, which one is better?

 

I would take Kazmir + Zim over Price in a heartbeat

[Daniel Labude]

You don't sign Kazmir or Zimmermann. A few options:

 

Buehrle accepts his QO

Anderson on a 1-year deal

Lackey or Iwakuma if you can convince them on a rich 2-year deal

Possibly Kennedy, Chen, or Samardzija if the market doesn't develop for them as they hope

 

You're not going to replace Price, but you should be able to get a nice rotation piece in the short-term without too much risk.

 

No to almost all of that.

[Stangstag]

You don't sign Kazmir or Zimmermann. A few options:

 

Buehrle accepts his QO

Anderson on a 1-year deal

Lackey or Iwakuma if you can convince them on a rich 2-year deal

Possibly Kennedy, Chen, or Samardzija if the market doesn't develop for them as they hope

 

You're not going to replace Price, but you should be able to get a nice rotation piece in the short-term without too much risk.

 

- Don't want Buehrle back. He's gonna crash and burn hard and it's gonna be soon.

 

- Not overly interested in Anderson. Way too many injuries for my liking. Signing him would likely backfire.

 

- Not convinced about Lackey.

 

- I would be on board with signing Iwakuma to a 2-year deal.

 

- Kennedy, Chen, Samardzija would all be good signings if the price is right.

[admin]

It'll be the same with Melky Cabrera last year. Casual fans were all like "We need to sign Melky". Then they didn't remember who he was after we signed Martin and traded for Donaldson.

 

Yeah, I'm saying if we do soemthing else, and if we continue to win. But if we don't make any significant moves, beginning of season will probably lose some of the casuals until midseason.

[G-Snarls]

113 RBI now

 

Imagine how many more he'd have if he had hit 3rd or 4th all year instead of 2nd

[G-Snarls]

And yes, I know this is exactly why RBIs aren't a good measure of a hitter

[BTS]

And yes, I know this is exactly why RBIs aren't a good measure of a hitter

 

It will always look super cool to look at the stats and see 135 RBI or whatever he ends up with.

[Mozzer]

The MVP is Billy Beane. You should give him the award. Jays fans should send him a bouquet of flowers & a Tim Hortons Gift Card.

[burlingtonbandit]

113 RBI now

 

Imagine how many more he'd have if he had hit 3rd or 4th all year instead of 2nd

 

He would also have a lot less ABs. Also Bautista HRs probably take some RBI chances if he were to hit infront of him. I don't think it would be that big of a difference.

[BigCecil]

I don't really care much about the individual awards but its kind of interesting to see that these 2 are in a WAR dead heat now.

 

Not that the voters will base the winner on WAR. JD is struggling some with Trout rebounding. Was bound to happen.

[burlingtonbandit]

I don't really care much about the individual awards but its kind of interesting to see that these 2 are in a WAR dead heat now.

 

Not that the voters will base the winner on WAR. JD is struggling some with Trout rebounding. Was bound to happen.

 

I think trout might beat him in WAR when all is said and done but still don't think he'll beat out JD for MVP

[Maahfaace]

Now that the season is over, who wins the AL MVP?

 

Trout 8.9 war

Donaldson 8.7 war

 

 

My vote goes to JD with his clutchinessing behavior!

[Krylian]

What do the fancy stats say? Who should win?

[baubau]

What do the fancy stats say? Who should win?

 

Trout, but its marginal. Its certainly not a clear cut choice and the voters likely won't only go off stats alone.

[dineke]

They're both about even. Angels missed the playoffs so Donaldson will win it.

[Daniel Labude]

Donaldson!!!!!

[GD]

RE24 edge goes to Donaldson

[EMK19]

As the stats differences are minor and since JD has provided what is a much better story (a breakout player who's lead his new team to the playoffs for the first time in 21 years, with many clutch moments), I'm still quite confident that JD will get most of the votes. If Angels came back to make it to the post season piggybacking on Trout's hot streak in the end here then it might have changed things a little, but since that's now fallen short I think it's JD all the way.

[Captain Adama]

Trout, but its marginal. Its certainly not a clear cut choice and the voters likely won't only go off stats alone.

 

Trout won by 0.3 WAR, IMO he should win, but there's really no wrong choice between the two.

 

It really comes down to whomever has the sexier narrative to the voters.

[Captain Adama]

As the stats differences are minor and since JD has provided what is a much better story (a breakout player who's lead his new team to the playoffs for the first time in 21 years, with many clutch moments), I'm still quite confident that JD will get most of the votes. If Angels came back to make it to the post season piggybacking on Trout's hot streak in the end here then it might have changed things a little, but since that's now fallen short I think it's JD all the way.

 

So Donaldson's last 2 seasons didn't exist?

[THANOS]

They're both about even. Angels missed the playoffs so Donaldson will win it.

 

I think this may be the only reason JD wins it. He's had an inferior year to Trout in nearly all important categories, except defensive WAR and clutch hits, but who knows really? It could go either way.

[Orgfiller]

The WAR values are close enough that you could say they're about equal in that aspect (Trout likely has the slight edge). I don't think the voters will be looking at the decimal difference in WAR anyways. Should be an interesting vote and I can't really disagree with whichever player wins it (unless it's someone outside of Trout or Donaldson, in which case wtf).

[GD]

Trout won by 0.3 WAR, IMO he should win, but there's really no wrong choice between the two.

 

It really comes down to whomever has the sexier narrative to the voters.

 

0.3 WAR isn't enough to be a valid/useful difference.

[EMK19]

So Donaldson's last 2 seasons didn't exist?

 

I meant as a true top tier MVP caliber player, at least compared to Trout at least who had come in to the season as the reigning MVP (and coming up just short three times before that). Donaldson's last two seasons in Oakland were nice but not quite up to that level.

[BTS]

I think it will be Donaldson in a landslide, and it probably should be.

[dineke]

I'd be pretty pissed if the voters choose this year to do away with the playoff bump and give the award to Trout.