Anyone else concerned about pitching depth?

[GD]

you really are nit picky and overanalyze things.

 

Or you're just wrong.

[Brownie19]

I like the Edge's morning show these days but might be a bit nerdy for some. Dean Blundell knows nothing about sports which made him a pretty odd choice for the FAN.

 

Agreed - Fred's been really solid, although at times I do miss the slapstick comedy stuff. Who doesn't like hearing people call in and tell about crazy/dirty/gross sex stories?

[puphood]

Hutch is not predictable is his problem you just don't know what is showing up on the mound from start to start over this season. Of late I have been betting on poor starts from him. The rest of the regular season he could sink this team, in the post season you could hide him in the rotation with 7 game series and days off. Hope the get another SP......

[CaptMurphy]

Less concerned about depth as I am about usage of what they have. There is zero reason at this time for Hutchinson to be in the rotation and Sanchez in the pen. Best possible use of available talent is to move Sanchez to the rotation and move Hutchinson to AAA or a long relief spot in the pen. Right now, I would opt for AAA as Hutchinson is just awful right now.

[LTR]

Hutch is not predictable is his problem you just don't know what is showing up on the mound from start to start over this season. Of late I have been betting on poor starts from him. The rest of the regular season he could sink this team, in the post season you could hide him in the rotation with 7 game series and days off. Hope the get another SP......

 

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[Brownie19]

Less concerned about depth as I am about usage of what they have. There is zero reason at this time for Hutchinson to be in the rotation and Sanchez in the pen. Best possible use of available talent is to move Sanchez to the rotation and move Hutchinson to AAA or a long relief spot in the pen. Right now, I would opt for AAA as Hutchinson is just awful right now.

 

Zero reason? I see a couple:

 

1. You'd have to send Sanchez down for a few weeks to build him up to be a starter.

2. He already hurt his shoulder pitching in the rotation. Young kid, likely with an innings limit. The move to the bullpen may help protect him long term.

3. He wasn't very good as a starter.

[HERPDERP]

His injury wasn't the shoulder (which would have been disastrous), but his back (lats)

[Terminator]

Moving forward I'm pretty concerned about our last two spots in the rotation - Estrada and Hutchison.

 

Estrada is not this good. So far he's had an abnormally good fly ball rate and fly ball/HR rate. However, I don't think he's going to s*** the bed so much that he will be kicked out of the rotation.

 

Hutchison, however, worries me. His numbers show that he has been very unlucky, but when you actually watch his starts, he's serving up a ton of meatballs. The only thing I can give Hutchison credit for is that he doesn't seem unfazed by it.

 

But what if we get an injury? We are due for one, honestly.

 

The only options that come to mind are Randy Wolf, Scott Copeland and Jeff Francis.

 

It would have been great if we could have kept Norris and shipped out Pompey instead, but whatever.

 

Do you think it is possible that the Jays could entertain putting Sanchez back in the rotation? He may need 3 starts though. Remember, before Sanchez got injured he threw 8 innings of 1 run ball

 

I'm fine with Estrada and Hutchison remaining in the rotation. I agree though, if someone gets hurt we have no depth.

 

If we could at least make it to September before someone goes down we could use the 40 man roster to our advantage and have Wolfe go for 3 innings, Sanchez and Stroman follow him for 2.

[Boxcar]

Agreed - Fred's been really solid, although at times I do miss the slapstick comedy stuff. Who doesn't like hearing people call in and tell about crazy/dirty/gross sex stories?

 

I miss the Edge Files, which was a continuation of the Humble Report. Been a feature for so long, kinda sad it's gone now (unless I just miss it)

[o2cui2i]

I'm fine with Estrada and Hutchison remaining in the rotation. I agree though, if someone gets hurt we have no depth.

 

If we could at least make it to September before someone goes down we could use the 40 man roster to our advantage and have Wolfe go for 3 innings, Sanchez and Stroman follow him for 2.

 

25 days to cross our collective fingers.

[jayswin11]

I think we'll see one of E.Jackson or Wandy Rodriguez added for depth

[93 Jays]

I'm fine with Estrada at this point. He rarely gets beat up and although he appears to be more hittable than he is, I like what he has shown thus far.

 

I LOVE STRO tho, and can't wait to see him on that mound again. The kid is a gamer and even if it's only for 3 IP to build him up over a few starts, I'd rather that than watch Hutch implode in games where his team scores him 8 or more runs, yet we still have to sweat him since he can barely get through 5. I know he's still young and relatively inexperienced and that he's definitely a serviceable 4 or 5 down the road, but right now, I'm nervous to watch him pitch in any game he starts.

 

Is Hendriks not available to be stretched out? I love his value in the pen, but is his value as a starter more or less? Does he lose some of that velocity as a starter? I'd sure prefer him over Hutch or Sanchez at this point for sure

[King]

I'm fine with Estrada at this point. He rarely gets beat up and although he appears to be more hittable than he is, I like what he has shown thus far.

 

I LOVE STRO tho, and can't wait to see him on that mound again. The kid is a gamer and even if it's only for 3 IP to build him up over a few starts, I'd rather that than watch Hutch implode in games where his team scores him 8 or more runs, yet we still have to sweat him since he can barely get through 5. I know he's still young and relatively inexperienced and that he's definitely a serviceable 4 or 5 down the road, but right now, I'm nervous to watch him pitch in any game he starts.

 

Is Hendriks not available to be stretched out? I love his value in the pen, but is his value as a starter more or less? Does he lose some of that velocity as a starter? I'd sure prefer him over Hutch or Sanchez at this point for sure

 

Welcome to the board

[Brownie19]

I'm fine with Estrada at this point. He rarely gets beat up and although he appears to be more hittable than he is, I like what he has shown thus far.

 

I LOVE STRO tho, and can't wait to see him on that mound again. The kid is a gamer and even if it's only for 3 IP to build him up over a few starts, I'd rather that than watch Hutch implode in games where his team scores him 8 or more runs, yet we still have to sweat him since he can barely get through 5. I know he's still young and relatively inexperienced and that he's definitely a serviceable 4 or 5 down the road, but right now, I'm nervous to watch him pitch in any game he starts.

 

Is Hendriks not available to be stretched out? I love his value in the pen, but is his value as a starter more or less? Does he lose some of that velocity as a starter? I'd sure prefer him over Hutch or Sanchez at this point for sure

 

Hendriks (like Sanchez and, well, most pitchers in general) does lose velocity when starting. It would appear his "home" is in the bullpen. He's been given 34 career starts in the majors and the results have been at or below replacement level. He's been dynamite out of the bullpen. Kudos for AA for grabbing him and then finding a way to keep him in the pen to start the year (which gave him the opportunity to prove he could succeed there).

[93 Jays]

Yeah, he's been lights out in the pen and I guess screwing with something like that would be pretty dumb. Losing Cecil out there and leaving Loup as our only lefty option is pretty scary at this point. It just seems like any option is better than throwing Hutch or Sanchez out there in important games such as the ones we're playing now. Hopefully they'll just keep scoring like they have been when Hutch starts.

[wamco]

I'd take replacement level I've hutch right now

[BigCecil]

yes. since before game one 2015.

 

less so after the deadline.

[GD]

I'd take replacement level I've hutch right now

 

well, Hutch > replacement level, so

[CaptMurphy]

Zero reason? I see a couple:

 

1. You'd have to send Sanchez down for a few weeks to build him up to be a starter.

2. He already hurt his shoulder pitching in the rotation. Young kid, likely with an innings limit. The move to the bullpen may help protect him long term.

3. He wasn't very good as a starter.

 

1 - He was starting in AAA

3- Better check your numbers before you make claims like that, because you are very very very very very wrong. - The numbers from his last 7 starts as a Blue Jay

 

DATE OPPONENT RESULT IP H R ER HR BB SO GB FB Pit BF GSc Dec. Rel. ERA

Jun 5 vs HOU W 6-2 8.0 6 2 1 1 0 3 15 10 103 28 67 W(5-4) - 3.55

May 30 @ MIN L 3-2 6.0 7 2 2 1 3 5 8 9 103 25 52 - - 3.88

May 24 vs SEA W 8-2 6.2 7 2 2 1 2 4 12 8 97 26 54 W(4-4) - 3.98

May 19 vs LAA L 3-2 7.1 6 3 3 1 3 5 15 7 106 30 56 L (3-4) - 4.17

May 13 @ BAL L 6-1 5.2 7 5 5 0 4 1 13 11 99 30 32 L (3-3) - 4.26

May 8 vs BOS W 7-0 7.0 2 0 0 0 5 3 13 6 108 28 71 W(3-2) - 3.62

May 2 @ CLE W 11-4 5.2 4 2 2 0 6 5 12 4 108 27 52 W(2-2) - 4.62

-Table easier to read at source: http://espn.go.com/mlb/player/gamelog/_/id/31254/aaron-sanchez

 

Not fantastic, but way, WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY better than anything you will get out of Hutchinson these days. And you think Hutchinson is the better option?

[gbill2004]

Go with a 4 man rotation. Problem solved.

[Laika]

Yes, the #1 concern with the team ROS is probably the SP depth. There's just nothing there after the top 5, aside from a couple of geezers in Buffalo and the slim hope that Stroman can come back and start at some point.

 

The next 5 on the depth chart are all names that belong outside the top 8 on any normal good team's depth chart. Wolf, Francis, Jenkins, Copeland, Bibens-Dirkx, Taylor Cole...

[GD]

Yes, the #1 concern with the team ROS is probably the SP depth. There's just nothing there after the top 5, aside from a couple of geezers in Buffalo and the slim hope that Stroman can come back and start at some point.

 

The next 5 on the depth chart are all names that belong outside the top 8 on any normal good team's depth chart. Wolf, Francis, Jenkins, Copeland, Bibens-Dirkx, Taylor Cole, Aaron Sanchez...

 

agreed

[Laika]

If someone goes down Toronto should probably trade for some s***** vet who will clear waivers, like Lohse or Hudson, before calling up any of their in house scrubs.

[KingKat]

Yes, the #1 concern with the team ROS is probably the SP depth. There's just nothing there after the top 5, aside from a couple of geezers in Buffalo and the slim hope that Stroman can come back and start at some point.

 

The next 5 on the depth chart are all names that belong outside the top 8 on any normal good team's depth chart. Wolf, Francis, Jenkins, Copeland, Bibens-Dirkx, Taylor Cole...

 

Hendriks would be better than some of those guys but it's hard to stretch out a guy that doesn't have options.

[Spanky99]

Has anyone claimed Vance Worley yet? Would make a lot of sense for the Jays.

 

No kidding, him or Rodriguez.