John Gibbons Thread (+ Venting)

[o2cui2i]

Slightly creepy.

 

that you will never have sex? most of us think it's for the best.... lol

 

come on kid. relax a little! it's baseball season.

[Deadpool]

So, Gibbons made a few bad moves in the first Boston game (the bunt in the 4th inning being the worst of the lot), but was generally pretty good in the game last night. I was pretty pissed after game one, but I still think he's the best manager we've had in recent memory.... Hopefully he can stay away from overusing the 20 year olds, and leave bunting alone, and then he'll be fine.

[o2cui2i]

So, Gibbons made a few bad moves in the first Boston game (the bunt in the 4th inning being the worst of the lot), but was generally pretty good in the game last night. I was pretty pissed after game one, but I still think he's the best manager we've had in recent memory.... Hopefully he can stay away from overusing the 20 year olds, and leave bunting alone, and then he'll be fine.

 

there are times where the bunt is the right answer, but when you are putting up big numbers in the fourth, have the pitcher on the ropes and are in a park that gives up a s*** load of runs, it's the stupid thing to do. Should have stepped on Kelly's throat that inning.

[KingKat]

Times when bunts are acceptable:

 

A) Runner on base less than 2 outs and the hitter is a nearly guaranteed out, typically this means it's either a pitcher or Jonathan Diaz at the plate.

Bunting for a hit with a speedy hitter and the infield back.

C) It's last tick and bunting increases your probability of scoring the single run you need to win the game (I'm not going to get into the specifics of the scenario but it has been mapped out by people smarter than me).

 

I'm pretty much fine with A and B at any point in the game as long as the pitcher isn't struggling. Dropping bunts against a struggling pitcher is doing him a favour.

[King]

that you will never have sex? most of us think it's for the best.... lol

 

come on kid. relax a little! it's baseball season.

 

Should probably stop while you're ahead.

[o2cui2i]

Times when bunts are acceptable:

 

A) Runner on base less than 2 outs and the hitter is a nearly guaranteed out, typically this means it's either a pitcher or Jonathan Diaz at the plate.

Bunting for a hit with a speedy hitter and the infield back.

C) It's last tick and bunting increases your probability of scoring the single run you need to win the game (I'm not going to get into the specifics of the scenario but it has been mapped out by people smarter than me).

 

I'm pretty much fine with A and B at any point in the game as long as the pitcher isn't struggling. Dropping bunts against a struggling pitcher is doing him a favour.

 

^^^this^^^

 

I'm really not sure how s***** hitters in the jays org have no idea how to bunt. Guys like Goins and Pillar should be experts at bunting.

 

Pompey is quite good at bunting and fast, but uses it way too often.

[o2cui2i]

Should probably stop while you're ahead.

 

lol

 

 

have you figured out what the finger spinning thing the jays players are turning back towards the dugout to do is meant to signal??? It would be interesting to know where it started and what it is saying.

[Olerud363]

Slightly creepy.

 

I don't think this is creepy but he is insulting you for sure.

 

Creepy would be - 'You guys have such amazing insights about baseball... we should go swimming sometime at the YMCA. Let's meet up in the locker room at the Etobicoke ymca'

 

Insulting is - 'You guys are losers. You will never have a girlfriend, or have sex, or have kids. You are complete losers and don't have the social skills to have relationships with females'

[King]

I don't think this is creepy but he is insulting you for sure.

 

Creepy would be - 'You guys have such amazing insights about baseball... we should go swimming sometime at the YMCA. Let's meet up in the locker room at the Etobicoke ymca'

 

Insulting is - 'You guys are losers. You will never have a girlfriend, or have sex, or have kids. You are complete losers and don't have the social skills to have relationships with females'

 

Thanks Olerud.

[o2cui2i]

I don't think this is creepy but he is insulting you for sure.

 

Creepy would be - 'You guys have such amazing insights about baseball... we should go swimming sometime at the YMCA. Let's meet up in the locker room at the Etobicoke ymca'

 

Insulting is - 'You guys are losers. You will never have a girlfriend, or have sex, or have kids. You are complete losers and don't have the social skills to have relationships with females'

 

if I was serious then it would be insulting.

[KingKat]

^^^this^^^

 

I'm really not sure how s***** hitters in the jays org have no idea how to bunt. Guys like Goins and Pillar should be experts at bunting.

 

Pompey is quite good at bunting and fast, but uses it way too often.

 

Oh that reminds me of another caveat I should have added to A), the batter has to have some bunting ability. The whole point of the sacrifice bunt is that it's supposed to be a high probability play. If you don't have a high rate of success with your sacrifice bunts then you're just giving away outs for nothing. Better to flail away.

[jays_fever]

Oh that reminds me of another caveat I should have added to A), the batter has to have some bunting ability. .

 

That probably eliminates at least 80% of the MLB

[KingKat]

That probably eliminates at least 80% of the MLB

 

Well if you don't coach it, you can't use it. That much should be obvious.

Edited April 29, 2015 by KingKat

[jays_fever]

Well if you don't coach hit, you can't use it. That much should be obvious.

 

Pretty sure they do, players just dont care. No one receives a 10 figure contract because he can bunt.

[o2cui2i]

Oh that reminds me of another caveat I should have added to A), the batter has to have some bunting ability. The whole point of the sacrifice bunt is that it's supposed to be a high probability play. If you don't have a high rate of success with your sacrifice bunts then you're just giving away outs for nothing. Better to flail away.

 

100% agree. calling for a sac bunt when it's pretty unlikely that the player can succeed is really insane.

 

Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.

[KingKat]

Pretty sure they do, players just dont care. No one receives a 10 figure contract because he can bunt.

 

Well a 10 figure contract in baseball is nothing. Eleven figures is where the action is. If you're merely a 10 figure guy or a pitcher, you should learn to bunt.

[CaptMurphy]

I will not argue about whether he should or shouldn't be fired. I want to talk about WILL he be fired. A new President will be hired at the end of the season. That President will want "his" GM, not a left over from the previous administration. So for AA to keep his job he NEEDS some kind of success to entrench himself in the position; and success is measured in wins and playoff appearances and championships.

Its only April, but he is certainly looking down the road and time slips by fast in a season. At some point AA, if the Blue Jays continue to struggle, will see his own job in jeopardy; with few options left change the team. I believe to him the easiest thing to try is a new manager. Since the firing of Jimmy Williams after a bad start in 1989, there has always been this hope in certain sectors that a team can be turned around by "the right guy".

If the Blue Jays continue to struggle, play at .500 or below in May, AA will get desperate, and I believe Gibbons being fired will happen.

[RealAccountant]

I will not argue about whether he should or shouldn't be fired. I want to talk about WILL he be fired. A new President will be hired at the end of the season. That President will want "his" GM, not a left over from the previous administration. So for AA to keep his job he NEEDS some kind of success to entrench himself in the position; and success is measured in wins and playoff appearances and championships.

Its only April, but he is certainly looking down the road and time slips by fast in a season. At some point AA, if the Blue Jays continue to struggle, will see his own job in jeopardy; with few options left change the team. I believe to him the easiest thing to try is a new manager. Since the firing of Jimmy Williams after a bad start in 1989, there has always been this hope in certain sectors that a team can be turned around by "the right guy".

If the Blue Jays continue to struggle, play at .500 or below in May, AA will get desperate, and I believe Gibbons being fired will happen.

 

Last time Gibby got fired, Jays were in Cleveland. Don't look now.

[SAAviour]

At some point Gibby needs to be fired just to send a message to this god damn team.

[Chappy]

At some point Gibby needs to be fired just to send a message to this god damn team.

 

And what message would that be? It's more theatrics for the fans than anything else.

[RealAccountant]

And what message would that be? It's more theatrics for the fans than anything else.

 

Firing the manager has in the past sent under-performing teams on a run

 

Having said that, I dont believe this team is under-performing at the moment.

[Chappy]

Firing the manager has in the past sent under-performing teams on a run

 

Having said that, I dont believe this team is under-performing at the moment.

 

I get that, but it has also failed more often.

[glory]

And what message would that be? It's more theatrics for the fans than anything else.

 

It would be more of an apology than it would be a message.

 

"Sorry for spending so much money on talent and then hiring that moron to manage, please forgive me". - Sincerely, Alex.

[Olerud363]

I will not argue about whether he should or shouldn't be fired. I want to talk about WILL he be fired. A new President will be hired at the end of the season. That President will want "his" GM, not a left over from the previous administration. So for AA to keep his job he NEEDS some kind of success to entrench himself in the position; and success is measured in wins and playoff appearances and championships.

Its only April, but he is certainly looking down the road and time slips by fast in a season. At some point AA, if the Blue Jays continue to struggle, will see his own job in jeopardy; with few options left change the team. I believe to him the easiest thing to try is a new manager. Since the firing of Jimmy Williams after a bad start in 1989, there has always been this hope in certain sectors that a team can be turned around by "the right guy".

If the Blue Jays continue to struggle, play at .500 or below in May, AA will get desperate, and I believe Gibbons being fired will happen.

 

This is well said and reasonable. That is why they gave you the position of Captain. I am guessing you are captain in an airline and that you passed all the psychological tests with flying colors.

 

Gibby will be fired because everyone is desperate. The team will turn around because it is not as bad as they are playing. It may not be enough and AA will join Gibby in the unemployment line in early October. Beeston of course will be given a "retirement".

[KingKat]

I will not argue about whether he should or shouldn't be fired. I want to talk about WILL he be fired. A new President will be hired at the end of the season. That President will want "his" GM, not a left over from the previous administration. So for AA to keep his job he NEEDS some kind of success to entrench himself in the position; and success is measured in wins and playoff appearances and championships.

Its only April, but he is certainly looking down the road and time slips by fast in a season. At some point AA, if the Blue Jays continue to struggle, will see his own job in jeopardy; with few options left change the team. I believe to him the easiest thing to try is a new manager. Since the firing of Jimmy Williams after a bad start in 1989, there has always been this hope in certain sectors that a team can be turned around by "the right guy".

If the Blue Jays continue to struggle, play at .500 or below in May, AA will get desperate, and I believe Gibbons being fired will happen.

 

So you're saying Cito Gaston is coming for the third time?

[Olerud363]

Ultimately yes... that is what should happen. Beeston should be allowed to leave doing it his way. Why not.

 

The boys will start pulling the ball more and win some games 12-2 and lose some 2-1 or 8-3. Cito is the man we need. I honestly don't think he could do much damage to this team. He will choose his favourites and give them all a nice role. We will win 82 games using Cito-ball.

 

I don't know. Maybe it is not a good idea. It might be more difficult to give Beeston a graceful retirement if Cito comes back. The optics of Cito re-retiring and disapearing at the same time as Beeston would make it less respectful to them.

 

So in the end I don't think we can have Cito...

[BigBounceyBlueBalls]

Let's just hire the alou's and Edwin's and Cano's hitting coach! At least we know they would be respected and scare the Dominicans on this team!

[Olerud363]

Let's just hire the alou's and Edwin's and Cano's hitting coach! At least we know they would be respected and scare the Dominicans on this team!

 

Felipe Alou - co-manager

Cito Gaston - co-manager

Frank Robinson - co-manager

Jack McKeon - co-manager

 

They are old so need to rotate. They each take a series then hand off to the next.

[SAAviour]

And what message would that be? It's more theatrics for the fans than anything else.

 

The message would be you cost a good man his job and your playing like s***, so turn it around. I'm not saying it will work, I'm not saying it's gibby's fault ( I actually think he's a good manager-in game anyway, who knows what happens in the clubhouse.) I think he gets May and if nothing has changed Alex will make a move...maybe it will spark the team, or most likely they'll continue doing what they have done for the last 22 years and finish around .500.

 

Only the jays could have a 2-3-4 of Donaldson, Bautista, Encarnacion...with a rookie added in who's playing like an MVP and be under .500. Like wtf is wrong with this team!

[Olerud363]

The message would be you cost a good man his job and your playing like s***, so turn it around. I'm not saying it will work, I'm not saying it's gibby's fault ( I actually think he's a good manager-in game anyway, who knows what happens in the clubhouse.) I think he gets May and if nothing has changed Alex will make a move...maybe it will spark the team, or most likely they'll continue doing what they have done for the last 22 years and finish around .500.

 

Only the jays could have a 2-3-4 of Donaldson, Bautista, Encarnacion...with a rookie added in who's playing like an MVP and be under .500. Like wtf is wrong with this team!

 

Only the jays could have David Cone, Paul Molitor, John Olerud, Devon White, Roberto Alomar, Pat Hentgen, Carlos Delgado, Juan Guzman, Shawn Green, Alex Gonzales, Al Leiter and play .350 ball.

 

All these guys were in the middle of nice runs... For example Molitor would get 200 hits as a Twin in 96... Alomar led the Orioles to good seasons in 96/97, Cone was about to lead Yankees on their run.

 

Olerud set the Mets batting title record in 1998... Hentgen won a Cy Young in 96, Guzman an ERA title in 96... Delgado was ready just not used right, same with Green. Leiter and White won the world series with the Marlins.

 

But in 95 this crew... in the middle of success, glory, championships, and MVP considerations. This crew went 55-90 or something like that. Because it is the Toronto Blue Jays post 93 and whatever can go wrong will.

 

Fire gibby -- it ain't fair but the people need a sacrifice.