John Gibbons Thread (+ Venting)

[KingKat]

To be fair I personally think there is a bit of a difference between 24 year old travis and the two 20 year olds. In regards to age over experience of course. I also think the bp should be easier to fix/build around compared to finding a solid position player. (where we've lacked for years)

 

Yeah it's really not very nuanced at all to lump all the rookies together. Different track records, experience, preparedness, etc.

[glory]

Great comparison. An older, more advanced prospect who had hit at every level he's played in versus two 20 year old's in A-ball who haven't thrown more than 80 innings in a season.

 

Please. The only "rookies" who warranted a spot on the big league club out of spring training were Travis and possibly Norris, and that's only because Stroman was hurt. Otherwise, every single one of Norris, Pompey, Sanchez, Osuna, and Castro should have been in the minors to begin the year. And yes, I realize Pompey hasn't been bad, but he still could have used some development time. Pillar in CF would have been fine.

[Dylan]

Great comparison. An older, more advanced prospect who had hit at every level he's played in versus two 20 year old's in A-ball who haven't thrown more than 80 innings in a season.

 

Please. The only "rookies" who warranted a spot on the big league club out of spring training were Travis and possibly Norris, and that's only because Stroman was hurt. Otherwise, every single one of Norris, Pompey, Sanchez, Osuna, and Castro should have been in the minors to begin the year. And yes, I realize Pompey hasn't been bad, but he still could have used some development time. Pillar in CF would have been fine.

 

I'd probably want Sanchez in the bp but I agree with the rest. Castro and Osuna were panic bp options

[frizzer1]

I'm not an AA fan but the fact is that there was no money fro him to spend....so it was either this bunch of cheap, not ready for prime time players, or what? Cheap waiver wire types?

[Dylan]

I'm not an AA fan but the fact is that there was no money fro him to spend....so it was either this bunch of cheap, not ready for prime time players, or what? Cheap waiver wire types?

 

Agreed. Several previous moves put us in this salary crisis.

[frizzer1]

Great comparison. An older, more advanced prospect who had hit at every level he's played in versus two 20 year old's in A-ball who haven't thrown more than 80 innings in a season.

 

Please. The only "rookies" who warranted a spot on the big league club out of spring training were Travis and possibly Norris, and that's only because Stroman was hurt. Otherwise, every single one of Norris, Pompey, Sanchez, Osuna, and Castro should have been in the minors to begin the year. And yes, I realize Pompey hasn't been bad, but he still could have used some development time. Pillar in CF would have been fine.

 

Agreed.

 

I do think ,though, that so far..Pompey looks over matched at this level.

And this lineup,when Donaldson,EE,and Bautista are hitting, will score runs....but when not all 3 are healthy, they will struggle because the rest of the lineup aint all that..

[RealAccountant]

I'm not an AA fan but the fact is that there was no money fro him to spend....

 

There was money for him to spend

 

He spent it on

 

A broken down average SS, An aging middle of the order starter, An aging knuckle-baller, and gave up good prospects in return.

[Praxis]

There was money for him to spend

 

He spent it on

 

A broken down average SS, An aging middle of the order starter, An aging knuckle-baller, and gave up good prospects in return.

 

You forgot a complete bust of a starting pitcher and a personal caddy who eats up a roster spot for the knuckle-baller.

[RealAccountant]

Its amazing how AA has made so many good moves, and yet buried himself with some panic moves, and ignorance. Hiring a once already failed manager being one of the moves.

 

Maybe if he actually assessed the talent inside the organization like when Kevin Cash was part of the Jays scouting team, then we wouldn't be in this situation today.

[o2cui2i]

all the haters and flamers need to keep their s*** to a minimum. take your rant in here, but dont bring it to the GDT or keep beating the same dead horse all day.

 

this thread can stay open if it is used to vent, but if it becomes hostile or too much of a pain to moderate it will be removed.

 

 

thanks

[LTR]

f*** the Gibbons haters, f*** them all - that's my rant.

[BTS]

This is just a terrible thread. What exactly makes you think Gibbons is doing a poor job? So far his bullpen management and lineup construction have been fine, and there's no sign of the players not liking him.

 

I don't think he should be fired, but I haven't cared at all for his bullpen management (which is new - usually I do). Castro is being used in big leverage roles and isn't good at all. Estrada might be the best RH reliever in the pen, but is being wasted in mop up duty. Cecil has been alienated by being pulled from the closer's spot one game into the year. Haven't been on board with Gibby at all in this regard this year.

[JFD]

Fire the fat Greek first.

[o2cui2i]

This is just a terrible thread. What exactly makes you think Gibbons is doing a poor job? So far his bullpen management and lineup construction have been fine, and there's no sign of the players not liking him.

 

people who hate Gibbons now, hated him before and will hate him later, unless the team goes on to win the WS with him and then they will get his name tattooed to their ass and name their kids Gibby. Feel sorry for that girl

[BigBounceyBlueBalls]

Yeah it's only Four losses in eighteen games

 

Chum change

 

Edit: 5 losses due to the pen

 

5 losses to the pen and how many due to starting pitching?

And how many to the silent bats on O ?

Last time I checked baseball is a Team Sport!

[baubau]

Francis who cares

 

I care JFas, I care. But did you think about me when writing the post? I bet you didn't. You jerk face.

 

//SARCASM//

Edited April 27, 2015 by o2cui2i

[reedjohnsonfan]

I don't think he should be fired, but I haven't cared at all for his bullpen management (which is new - usually I do). Castro is being used in big leverage roles and isn't good at all. Estrada might be the best RH reliever in the pen, but is being wasted in mop up duty. Cecil has been alienated by being pulled from the closer's spot one game into the year. Haven't been on board with Gibby at all in this regard this year.

 

Yeah when they got Estrada I figured if he wasn't in the rotation, he could maybe be used as an 8th-9th inning guy. I'd like to see them try that, but sounds like a longshot based on how they're using him.

[RealAccountant]

Steamer FIP projections for our relievers:

 

Cecil 3.16

Hendriks 3.33

Osuna 3.43

Loup 3.60

Estrada 3.79 ish as full reliever

Castro 3.95

Francis who cares

 

Why aren't your projections resulting in wins genious

[o2cui2i]

I care JFas, I care. But did you think about me when writing the post? I bet you didn't. You jerk face.

 

//SARCASM//

 

you will have to be penalized. It's Sarcasm Free Sunday and you have violated the Sunday code of conduct. Lack of knowledge of the rules is not a defense.

[L54]

Why aren't your projections resulting in wins genious

 

Try again.

[Deadpool]

Why aren't your projections resulting in wins genious

 

This is the funniest post in the history of the internet.

[Spanky99]

Why aren't your projections resulting in wins genious

 

Heh...

[Spanky99]

all the haters and flamers need to keep their s*** to a minimum. take your rant in here, but dont bring it to the GDT or keep beating the same dead horse all day.

 

this thread can stay open if it is used to vent, but if it becomes hostile or too much of a pain to moderate it will be removed.

 

 

thanks

 

Just remove it, stupid thread is stupid.

[havok24]

Why aren't your projections resulting in wins genious

 

I'll take 'Terrible forum posts' for $200, Alex.

[CJ-Freeway]

Only cuz he has not failed so far but just wait till he gives up games and you will be all over him, the manager, the GM, and the coaches. On the other hand you, and the knee-jerkers, have nothing negative to say about the Jays taking a chance with inexperience at 2B cuz so far he has been terrific.

 

Yes, you're right. Hence the "so far" that I specifically included in my sentence to make that clear.

[burlingtonbandit]

Yeah when they got Estrada I figured if he wasn't in the rotation, he could maybe be used as an 8th-9th inning guy. I'd like to see them try that, but sounds like a longshot based on how they're using him.

 

The problem is he gives up a lot of Homeruns. Late inning releivers usually only have a 1-3 run lead and if you can give up the lead in one swing of the bat your manager will be less reluctant to use you. Thats why I don't like Castro in there as he seems like he gives up a ton of long fly balls.

[Spanky99]

Yes, you're right. Hence the "so far" that I specifically included in my sentence to make that clear.

 

Excellent logic.

[CJ-Freeway]

Excellent logic.

 

Thanks brah.

[glory]

Some of you have converted to anti-Gibbons and it is beautiful to see. The rest of you will join us in time.

 

We deserve better than a manager that no other organization in baseball would ever hire. He is so in over his head, it's ridiculous. Farrell was better. At least his excuse was learning on the job and having a s***** roster with Jo Jo Reyes and Kyle Drabek in the rotation. Gibbons has been manager the only two times Rogers has spent any money on this team and they've underachieved or s*** the bed every time. Enough is enough.

[Deadpool]

Some of you have converted to anti-Gibbons and it is beautiful to see. The rest of you will join us in time.

 

We deserve better than a manager that no other organization in baseball would ever hire. He is so in over his head, it's ridiculous. Farrell was better. At least his excuse was learning on the job and having a s***** roster with Jo Jo Reyes and Kyle Drabek in the rotation. Gibbons has been manager the only two times Rogers has spent any money on this team and they've underachieved or s*** the bed every time. Enough is enough.

 

Ugg. Just no.