John Gibbons Thread (+ Venting)

[Olerud363]

Some of you have converted to anti-Gibbons and it is beautiful to see. The rest of you will join us in time.

 

We deserve better than a manager that no other organization in baseball would ever hire. He is so in over his head, it's ridiculous. Farrell was better. At least his excuse was learning on the job and having a s***** roster with Jo Jo Reyes and Kyle Drabek in the rotation. Gibbons has been manager the only two times Rogers has spent any money on this team and they've underachieved or s*** the bed every time. Enough is enough.

 

This is terrible. The people positing this anti-gibbons s*** should be ashamed. In our society we're trained to blame the worker bee or middle management while upper management gets off scott-free. The guys dissing Gibbons ironically are probably ordinary joes like Gibbons... I'm sure they are trained at their job to fight with the other joe's to impress their boss... we eat our young, so to say.

 

These petty moves don't make a huge difference over the season. People say "Gibbons made the wrong move here" that's a game, he made the wrong move here "that's another game"... then they mentally ding Gibbons a game for each mistake... and think Gibbons can make a difference of 20 games over a season. It's ********. It doesn't work like that. In the long run the little things even out. The big moves made by upper management decide the season.

 

Gibbons - I'm going to put Aaron Loup in to face Teixairo - it might work, it might not, these things even out.

AA - I'm going to make a huge trade and get Reyes - it might work, it might not, but has much more of an effect than the small decisions made by Gibbons.

Beeston - I'm going to pressure AA to make a series of moves to get veteran presence... we are raising payroll so we can get vets... we are all in with expensive veteran presence. -- this has a huge effect.

 

Beeston, then AA, then Gibbons are responsible for whatever happens... in that order.

[glory]

Of course AA is more responsible. He put the roster together and hired Sling Blade to begin with.

 

That doesn't mean Gibbons can't be called out for being terrible.

[o2cui2i]

Some of you have converted to anti-Gibbons and it is beautiful to see. The rest of you will join us in time.

 

We deserve better than a manager that no other organization in baseball would ever hire. He is so in over his head, it's ridiculous. Farrell was better. At least his excuse was learning on the job and having a s***** roster with Jo Jo Reyes and Kyle Drabek in the rotation. Gibbons has been manager the only two times Rogers has spent any money on this team and they've underachieved or s*** the bed every time. Enough is enough.

 

state your opinion "once" and then move on. that's what venting means bro. get it out and release the pressure, not try to convert people who dont agree with you.

 

don't be preachy. big no no.....

[o2cui2i]

Just remove it, stupid thread is stupid.

 

it's ok to give the haters some place to go so that they are not doing it in the GDT. I'm going to snuff out the people who vent in the GDT. A little frustration is ok, but some have absolutely nothing other than their bickering to offer and we dont need that.

[Brownie19]

The pen is horrible, you can "no word" me all you want, but you know it's true. Only Osuna is reliable (so far). Cecil screwed up 2 times already and Loup/Hendricks blow. Castro is not ready for the bigs, as seen tonight.

 

Hendrik has a FIP of 1.14 and a xFIP of 1.87 - he's been fantastic.

[Brownie19]

Our lineup is ok, our starters are so-so, but the pen is HORRIBLE. There's no way that we could potentially contend with this s*** pen. Thanks, AA.

 

We are second in the majors in runs scored....our lineup is better than "OK"....

[Brownie19]

The only guy I thought was a good fit who we didn't get was Jason Grilli. He'd look great in a Jays uni right now.

 

Also - how about Alex Guerrero's start to the year? There were lots of us on here chatting about how AA could get him (funny enough because we thought we needed a 2nd baseman).

[saskjayfan]

Yeah I don't think Castro is particularly great and the Blue Jays could hurt themselves if they keep going to him. They were probably too quick to assume he's an elite reliever based on making a few spring training hitters look bad. I have an article coming out tomorrow reviewing Castro and Osuna.

 

However, if you assume that Castro is their best reliever, than Gibby has made the right moves. Most managers have rigid set-up and closer roles, Gibby plays matchups in eighth and will let his closer go two. Gibby probably feels pressure to believe Castro is an elite reliever, based on the bet the organization made on him. Estrada needs to get high-leverage innings ASAP, I agree there.

 

Pedro Martinez called Castro one of the best young pitchers in the game. He called him special. KATOH projects castro a nothing special type player based off 170 minor league innings from the ages of 17 to 19. The computerized statistical model or the scouting ability of an independent hall of famer. I think I'm going to go with Pedro on this one.

[Save Dtieb]

Proposal: Anyone who posts a "FIRE _____" message should be immediately banned. Not pointing any fingers at any individuals, but in general, those posters just appear to be dirty whiners. If the Jays lose a game, turn the tv off and forgetaboutit!

[glory]

Ugg. Just no.

 

Farrell came from a player development background and was highly valued by an organization that values advanced metrics. He may suck as an in-game manager but I'd trust his ability to judge talent and put them in the right spots over Gibbons. It's not like Gibbons is making great decisions as manager either.

 

I didn't want Farrell back, for the record. Just think he would have been better than Gibbons if he stayed.

[Brownie19]

Pedro Martinez called Castro one of the best young pitchers in the game. He called him special. KATOH projects castro a nothing special type player based off 170 minor league innings from the ages of 17 to 19. The computerized statistical model or the scouting ability of an independent hall of famer. I think I'm going to go with Pedro on this one.

 

Remind me again what longstanding record Pedro has as a ML scout? I'm not sure why people give him credibility (as a scout) simply because he was good at the game himself. Was Trouble with the Curve based on Pedro's life as a scout? I didn't know his eyes were going on him...

[saskjayfan]

Remind me again what longstanding record Pedro has as a ML scout? I'm not sure why people give him credibility (as a scout) simply because he was good at the game himself. Was Trouble with the Curve based on Pedro's life as a scout? I didn't know his eyes were going on him...

 

yeah..you're probably right..Pedro likely knows nothing about pitching mechanics or the abilities required to be a quality mlb pitcher. My mistake.

[saskjayfan]

for the record, I do think it was a mistake to put Castro in the closers role. Baseball is a mental grind and throwing him into the fire made zero sense. That said, I do think he's a special pitcher. I guess in 3 or 4 years, we'll have the answer to that question.

[Brownie19]

yeah..you're probably right..Pedro likely knows nothing about pitching mechanics or the abilities required to be a quality mlb pitcher. My mistake.

 

You assume every big league player is a study of the game who knows everything there is to know about mechanics. I highly doubt that's the case as many players get there based on god given talent (which is why we have huge coaching staffs these days). Finally, Pedro may understand his own mechanics - I fully expect he did.....but every pitcher has different mechanics. Castro is like 7 inches taller than him....does he know and understand the mechanics for all the different types of pitchers in baseball?

 

Reality is - he's likely see a couple of videos on the kid, sees a tall, projectable body, a 97 MPH fastball with movement and a good change up and says "that kid looks special" - just like you and I do. Good news for Pedro is in 2 years if Castro flops - nobody will remember or call him out for being completely wrong about him.

[jays_fever]

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[Boxcar]

Pedro Martinez called Castro one of the best young pitchers in the game. He called him special. KATOH projects castro a nothing special type player based off 170 minor league innings from the ages of 17 to 19. The computerized statistical model or the scouting ability of an independent hall of famer. I think I'm going to go with Pedro on this one.

 

Big surprise there. I bet if things were opposite, you'd make an excuse to go with the computer. Something like "just because Pedro was a good pitcher doesn't mean he's automatically excellent at assessing talent."

[JFD]

now back on topic. fire AA and his little Gibby too!

[Nox]

Pedro Martinez called Castro one of the best young pitchers in the game. He called him special. KATOH projects castro a nothing special type player based off 170 minor league innings from the ages of 17 to 19. The computerized statistical model or the scouting ability of an independent hall of famer. I think I'm going to go with Pedro on this one.

 

Yea, former players totally make the best GMs.

[canadiansportsjunkie]

I vote Gibbons lets be real here. We fired him...he couldn't land a job...we hired him...ummm?

[Brownie19]

Whoa.....Sanchez gets through 5 with 7K and only 2 walks at 100 pitches and Gibby sends him out for the 6th? To face HanRam? questionable at best (although it worked).

 

Tabby says "it's a cold night - you're not going to wear down"...

[RealAccountant]

"Castro will start tommorrow"

 

Gibby

[King]

Fire Gibbons

[Frenchsoup]

Fire Gibbons

 

Why the hell wouldn't he walk betts? Give yourself a chance man set up the force play and possible double play, just shoddy managing honestly.

[Statman]

There is positivity in all this losing. This crap will be blown up at the deadline

 

End of May it will start.

[RealAccountant]

Why the hell wouldn't he walk betts? Give yourself a chance man set up the force play and possible double play, just shoddy managing honestly.

 

Because he is not a good manager

 

he wasn't a good manager the first time around, and he isn't one now. This franchise has not had even an average Major League Baseball manager in the last decade. Maybe not even since Carlos Tosca in 2003.

[jaysfan2014]

Because he is not a good manager

 

he wasn't a good manager the first time around, and he isn't one now. This franchise has not had even an average Major League Baseball manager in the last decade. Maybe not even since Carlos Tosca in 2003.

 

Tosca was fired early in the 2004 season with a worse start than this.

[RealAccountant]

Tosca was fired early in the 2004 season with a worse start than this.

 

I dont want to go into it, but that was in a season when his three best players all got hurt. His Ace starter, his best overall player (wells), and His best hitter (Delgado)

 

For Gods sakes he was having to use Reed Johnson at cleanup

 

Its stupid. But not as stupid as rehiring a manager who has already failed.

[Daniel Labude]

Castro, DJ Davis for Papelbon with them eating some money would be nice

[glory]

I'm not watching another Jays game until Gibbons is fired.

[o2cui2i]

I'm not watching another Jays game until Gibbons is fired.

 

ahhh... really, we'll miss you.

 

no, just playin... we know you'll be here tomorrow. lol