2015 Trade Deadline Targets Thread.

[GD]

Jays would be right up there. They'd want young pitching and a couple good position prospects. Hoffman + Sanchez/Norris + Pompey + Urena would be a very solid offer.

 

Cards have CMart, Wacha, Reyes, etc

Mets have deGrom, Wheeler, Syndergaard, Matz, Mateo, etc

[reedjohnsonfan]

He's projected for a 112 wRC+ while contributing no defense from a corner outfield spot getting paid $40 million for the next few years.

 

He's Melky Cabrera, lol. He's had 2 good seasons mixed with some average ones, has posted 500 PA of 85 wRC+ baseball and is projected for 2.5 fWAR/150 on a massive contract which is ​Jose Reyes to a tee

 

I thought you meant in terms of skillset he is Reyes but ok. You're talking about projections, the expected realization from a formula, but I agreed earlier that he is a risk. A lot of that projection is from him playing hurt last year and like absolute garbage in April/May. The upside is still there for Gonzalez to have a huge second half and a good season next year.

 

He's not walking much less or striking out anymore than he has before, I haven't looked at any spray charts but it seems like he's being shifted more so his days of a high babip might be over. Of course he's possible he stinks, but if they can get the Rockies to eat some cash without giving up much he would be a nice risk to take. That's just my opinion but it seems I am in the minority.

[GD]

You're talking about a lot of money for upside that might not be as high as you think it is. The risk probably outweighs the reward.

[DuckDuckGose]

Cards have CMart, Wacha, Reyes, etc

Mets have deGrom, Wheeler, Syndergaard, Matz, Mateo, etc

 

Cards aren't moving CMart or Wacha

Mets may move Matz or DeGrom, etc but Synder is staying put and Wheeler is out w/ TJS.

 

The Jays should be able to put together as attractive a package as anyone.

[GD]

Cards aren't moving CMart or Wacha

Mets may move Matz or DeGrom, etc but Synder is staying put and Wheeler is out w/ TJS.

 

The Jays should be able to put together as attractive a package as anyone.

 

You really don't think this changes if Tulo becomes available?

[DuckDuckGose]

You really don't think this changes if Tulo becomes available?

 

No, not at all. Makes far more sense for them to move their older pitchers like Garcia, Lynn and Wainwright and turn those prospects int o a player like Tulo.

[Orgfiller]

No, not at all. Makes far more sense for them to move their older pitchers like Garcia, Lynn and Wainwright and turn those prospects int o a player like Tulo.

 

But if they're trading Tulo they're expecting young high upside players with control. It would be egregious for the Rockies to trade Tulo for someone like Wainwright or Garcia.

[DuckDuckGose]

But if they're trading Tulo they're expecting young high upside players with control. It would be egregious for the Rockies to trade Tulo for someone like Wainwright or Garcia.

and turn those prospects int o a player like Tulo.

 

Someone would give up some good prospects for those guys plus the Cards still have a pretty good system.

[BTS]

Cargo just isn't a good player anymore. His career wRC+ is 118, so its not like he has a long history as an elite hitter. Now after numerous injuries he's probably a liability defensively and on the bases.

[Brownie19]

Cards aren't moving CMart or Wacha

Mets may move Matz or DeGrom, etc but Synder is staying put and Wheeler is out w/ TJS.

 

The Jays should be able to put together as attractive a package as anyone.

 

I highly suspect they'd keep DeGrom over Syndergaard. DeGrom is a beast already. He's what Synder aspires to be.

[GD]

I highly suspect they'd keep DeGrom over Syndergaard. DeGrom is a beast already. He's what Synder aspires to be.

 

Jacob deGrom: 3.04 SIERA, 11.7 SwStr

Noah Syndergaard: 3.10 SIERA, 10.2 SwStr%

[DuckDuckGose]

I highly suspect they'd keep DeGrom over Syndergaard. DeGrom is a beast already. He's what Synder aspires to be.

 

They're both beasts. He's 27yo though so maybe he gets moved based on his age alone (ie selling a guy at his peak)

[ColdPint]

At this point I think many have come to realize that the Jays are a hell of a lot further than a pitcher or two from being true contenders. The staff needs a complete retooling, some of which may come next year with the young guys, but I'm no longer in favour of mortgaging the future to make a run and go all in this year.

 

We need too many pieces and if we deleted the farm of the high ceiling guys and things didn't pan out we're looking at no present and no future. Just ride out the season unless you can package lesser prospects for something useful.

[reedjohnsonfan]

Cargo just isn't a good player anymore. His career wRC+ is 118, so its not like he has a long history as an elite hitter. Now after numerous injuries he's probably a liability defensively and on the bases.

 

I think he's still a very good player when healthy and I understand your line of thinking but he's an excellent buy low option IMO, the guy isn't even 30 yet. If he remains healthy I expect we see him put up some numbers in the second half. Agree to disagree I guess.

[Abomination]

I think he's still a very good player when healthy and I understand your line of thinking but he's an excellent buy low option IMO, the guy isn't even 30 yet. If he remains healthy I expect we see him put up some numbers in the second half. Agree to disagree I guess.

 

The problem isn't so much the acquisition cost as the salary cost. He HAS to get back to being a big time player to justify what he's making, and that's certainly nowhere close to guaranteed. His career 100 wRC+ away from Coors isn't encouraging either, in relation to salary, and neither is his defense.

[Brownie19]

I think he's still a very good player when healthy and I understand your line of thinking but he's an excellent buy low option IMO, the guy isn't even 30 yet. If he remains healthy I expect we see him put up some numbers in the second half. Agree to disagree I guess.

 

The problem is the amount of money he's owed....

[GD]

The problem isn't so much the acquisition cost as the salary cost. He HAS to get back to being a big time player to justify what he's making, and that's certainly nowhere close to guaranteed. His career 100 wRC+ away from Coors isn't encouraging either, in relation to salary, and neither is his defense.

 

wRC+ is park adjusted

[reedjohnsonfan]

The problem isn't so much the acquisition cost as the salary cost. He HAS to get back to being a big time player to justify what he's making, and that's certainly nowhere close to guaranteed. His career 100 wRC+ away from Coors isn't encouraging either, in relation to salary, and neither is his defense.

 

I totally agree, and that's why I mentioned the Rockies eating some salary. I'm not sure of Colorado's financial situation though, maybe they are trying to totally shed payroll? Or maybe they could take some on to acquire a couple younger players like Boyd or Castro or even Sanchez if the financials work out.

[Abomination]

wRC+ is park adjusted

 

Yes, I know that. It means one of two things. Either it's a statistical anomaly (certainly mathematically possible, but I sure as hell wouldn't bet on it given the larger sample size), or there's another factor that wRC+ isn't capturing. It's a very VERY large difference. Maybe he simply sees the ball better in Coors, who the hell knows. If I'm looking at trading for him, I'm paying a lot more attention to the road number though. If it was just a season's worth of at-bats or something, it would be a different story.

 

For whatever it's worth, league average is generally between 5% and 10% higher wRC+ for players at home over the road.

Edited July 11, 2015 by Abomination

[SAAviour]

How many games back until we switch the theme of this thread to what can we get for Bautista etc....

[Daniel Labude]

How many games back until we switch the theme of this thread to what can we get for Bautista etc....

 

Now....we have to trade Bautista or Edwin this year or in the offseason

[IronLadle]

Teams under 500 shouldn't be buyers

[thatoneguy]

Teams under 500 shouldn't be buyers

 

I'd agree if the division leader was 10-15+ games over .500.

[RealAccountant]

Jays are 1 loss away from having the 4th worse record in AL

[flafson]

Funny how within 1 week we go from almost there to nowhere.

[Stangstag]

Funny how within 1 week we go from almost there to nowhere.

 

Its been a very bad road trip

[ElNik2013]

I'm more worried about AA panicking now and making another dumb trade than a week ago.

[RealAccountant]

Its been a very bad road trip

 

Is that not the case every year with this team around this time. A bad roadtrip, sort of ends it.

[ElNik2013]

It's coming. Brace yourself young fellow

 

 

I'll be done with this team for a while if they make another dumb one. It certainly wouldn't be a surprise since they were in a much better position last year and did nothing so it figures they'll do something stupid this year.

[RealAccountant]

I'll be done with this team for a while if they make another dumb one. It certainly wouldn't be a surprise since they were in a much better position last year and did nothing so it figures they'll do something stupid this year.

 

No you wont. Its our nature, we are stuck with this team.