Aaron Sanchez Reality Check Thread

[bronson44]

Anyone but Sanchez in that spot. Not because Sanchez is bad. Because he doesn't K guys and we needed a K. Gibbons is dumn, just like most managers nowadays. 8th inning guy!!

 

I just bumped the thread because Kilace is dumn

 

Not only that but he's been used a f*** tonne since coming back. Why not Hendriks? Hendriks strikes out everybody too but he's the long man or some s*** I guess now.

[93 Jays]

Putting him in, in that situation, was preeeety f***ing stupid when you have Lowe, Hawkins, even Cecil. 2nd and 3rd, 1 out up by two, yeah let's put in a guy who gives up a bunch of contact. Pretty much guaranteed the Yanks were getting at least one.

 

I like Sanchez, but I agree with this statement 100%. He is much less likely to get the k than any of those guys you mentioned. Even with how wild he is, a WP and a flyball tie the game. A weak seeing eye single ties the game. Sanchez was the wrong choice in this particular situation, 100% agreed

[93 Jays]

You can make the argument that Sanchez wasn't the best option in that situation (although most on here love Sanchez so they're all fos) but people saying Sanchez should have been handed handed a clean inning are so full of horseshit.

 

A clean inning should've been handed to someone. Price had done his job, thrown over a 100 pitches and had to get himself out of a few jams making some of those innings stressful for him. I'm not saying it should have been Sanchez, but Price should not have been run out there period.

[Captain Adama]

Anyone but Sanchez in that spot. Not because Sanchez is bad. Because he doesn't K guys and we needed a K. Gibbons is dumn, just like most managers nowadays. 8th inning guy!!

 

I just bumped the thread because Kilace is dumn

 

This is so true, my friend asked me who is a good manager in the league. I was stumped, outside Maddon and maybe Hinch, or Hurdle. I couldn't think much of any who'm I've seen shown good tactical skills.

 

ALSO: My sig is still relevant.

[IronLadle]

You can make the argument that Sanchez wasn't the best option in that situation (although most on here love Sanchez so they're all fos) but people saying Sanchez should have been handed handed a clean inning are so full of horseshit.

 

Why is handing Sanchez a clean inning horseshit? He has no margin for error - It's stupid trying to get 8 innings out of your starters every game, when you have a good bullpen. He left Buerhle to go 8 yeasterday and he struggled tried to the same with Hutch and he needed pulling as well. If the Jays had a 6 run lead or something fine.

[BigCecil]

Lowe is nasty and was the guy tonight to start a fresh inning. Price was done. Sanchez has been good in the pen but i don't understand Gibby going to contact guy with runners on 2B and 3B.

[GD]

This is so true, my friend asked me who is a good manager in the league. I was stumped, outside Maddon and maybe Hinch, or Hurdle. I couldn't think much of any who'm I've seen shown good tactical skills.

 

ALSO: My sig is still relevant.

 

Your sig is forever and always #blessed

 

AL East: #ShowalterMagic (lol. Kevin Cash?)

AL Central: I don't know if Ausmus is smart or not but as far as I know, no one

AL West: Melvin?

NL East: No one

NL Central: Matheny? Maddon, Hurdle

NL West: No one

 

lmao

[LTR]

Lowe is nasty and was the guy tonight to start a fresh inning. Price was done. Sanchez has been good in the pen but i don't understand Gibby going to contact guy with runners on 2B and 3B.

 

Career 4.00 FIP 4.16 xFIP in relief = Nasty!

[Followthelight]

Lowe is nasty and was the guy tonight to start a fresh inning. Price was done. Sanchez has been good in the pen but i don't understand Gibby going to contact guy with runners on 2B and 3B.

 

Gibonns issue is he is stuck in the 90' and in the mindset of "Bullpen roles".

[Followthelight]

Anyone but Sanchez in that spot. Not because Sanchez is bad. Because he doesn't K guys and we needed a K. Gibbons is dumn, just like most managers nowadays. 8th inning guy!!

 

I just bumped the thread because Kilace is dumn

 

Ye, gibbons continues to cost us games.I don't feel comfortable with gibbons in close games.

[saskjayfan]

Lowe is nasty and was the guy tonight to start a fresh inning. Price was done. Sanchez has been good in the pen but i don't understand Gibby going to contact guy with runners on 2B and 3B.

 

have you ever actually seen lowe pitch outside of the series he pitched this year against Toronto and the times he's pitched with us?

[glory]

Lowe or Cecil should have been used in the 8th. Best K relievers on the team aside from Osuna (and Hendriks, who will be on the next episode of Dateline due to his unexplained disappearance). Putting a GB reliever in a 2-run game with runners on 2nd/3rd and less than 2 out is asking for inherited runs to score.

[saskjayfan]

Career 4.00 FIP 4.16 xFIP in relief = Nasty!

 

exactly....and all the armchair managers wanted to throw him in tonight's game after having already had a tough game in his short career as a Jay. Hawkins has seen every situation in baseball, yet everyone is bringing Lowe's name up and not Hawkins.

[youngtea]

Long season to go guys. Take the loss as a team and move on to the next one. We need to win the next two games!

[baloojayz]

Career 4.00 FIP 4.16 xFIP in relief = Nasty!

 

He's only been good this season, his career stats in everything suck. Can't look at career stats.

[Stangstag]

Long season to go guys. Take the loss as a team and move on to the next one. We need to win the next two games!

 

Most reasonable post I have seen here all day

[BigCecil]

Lowe is nasty and was the guy tonight to start a fresh inning. Price was done. Sanchez has been good in the pen but i don't understand Gibby going to contact guy with runners on 2B and 3B.

 

Career 4.00 FIP 4.16 xFIP in relief = Nasty!

 

have you ever actually seen lowe pitch outside of the series he pitched this year against Toronto and the times he's pitched with us?

 

exactly....and all the armchair managers wanted to throw him in tonight's game after having already had a tough game in his short career as a Jay. Hawkins has seen every situation in baseball, yet everyone is bringing Lowe's name up and not Hawkins.

 

Guys, so much derp using Lowe's career numbers as a reason not to use him last night. He has been excellent THIS year in exactly those situations and that's why we got him.

 

He is a reliever...like Cecil or Delabar or Rodney or a gazillion others...they can be excellent one year and very marginal the next.

[Boxcar]

Guys, so much derp using Lowe's career numbers as a reason not to use him last night. He has been excellent THIS year in exactly those situations and that's why we got him.

 

He is a reliever...like Cecil or Delabar or Rodney or a gazillion others...they can be excellent one year and very marginal the next.

 

Yeah neither guy ever posts something that isn't "derp"

[tercet]

The only thing that has changed is he is throwing strikes so far. Will it stay? I don't know

 

He stil gets lots of gb and murders rhb

 

He still doesn't get SwStr and doesn't get out LHB.

[BigBounceyBlueBalls]

Looking at count-specific zone rates to analyze Sanchez's control improvements in relief:

 

http://www.breakingblue.ca/2015/08/18/aaron-sanchez-approaches-batters-differently-as-a-reliever/

 

Interesting! Can you analyze MB sometime? I for one often wonder what does he do that makes him so f***ing Good! Is it how he throws what and when in given counts? Is it his relentless pace in which he attacks batters with no pause? It can't be the speed of his pitches or is it a combination of the two later things messing with batters timing and routines.

 

His durability and success combined and Track record for this many years is not fluke so what is it? Can it be taught and bottled and given to others? Thank you in advance if you can do this!

[DanielG]

I'm with you on that! for sure!

[GD]

MB's also got the whole rubber arm thing going for him. Aren't his mechanics basically ideal as well?

[Virgil_Hiltz]

Interesting! Can you analyze MB sometime? I for one often wonder what does he do that makes him so f***ing Good! Is it how he throws what and when in given counts? Is it his relentless pace in which he attacks batters with no pause? It can't be the speed of his pitches or is it a combination of the two later things messing with batters timing and routines.

 

His durability and success combined and Track record for this many years is not fluke so what is it? Can it be taught and bottled and given to others? Thank you in advance if you can do this!

 

Re: Buehrle, I suspect with his varies speeds he throws his pitches that the short time period between each pitch makes the change of speeds more effective.

[glory]

This is so true, my friend asked me who is a good manager in the league. I was stumped, outside Maddon and maybe Hinch, or Hurdle. I couldn't think much of any who'm I've seen shown good tactical skills.

 

ALSO: My sig is still relevant.

 

Cash, Showalter, and Girardi are good. Unfortunately that's 60% of the AL East.

 

Gibbons being let off the hook by people here because "all managers are equally bad" is so false.

[GD]

Cash, Showalter, and Girardi are good. Unfortunately that's 60% of the AL East.

 

Gibbons being let off the hook by people here because "all managers are equally bad" is so false.

 

Showalter is not good, lol.

[Boxcar]

Cash, Showalter, and Girardi are good. Unfortunately that's 60% of the AL East.

 

Gibbons being let off the hook by people here because "all managers are equally bad" is so false.

 

I'd much rather have Gibbons than Showalter.

[BTS]

Damn do I ever love Mark Buehrle.

[G-Snarls]

Showalter is not good, lol.

 

But, but.... he was 313–268 with the Yankees!

[G-Snarls]

Damn do I ever love Mark Buehrle.

 

Yeah, you've always been a fan and I can't blame you. He's one of those ultra-dependable guys that all managers would kill for.

 

Most people thought the Marlins were crazy for the $ they gave him. But until you see what he does year after year first hand all the time, it's all to easy to under-appreciate him.

 

He certainly never wowed on the radar, but he's just so effective and dependable, and fields and controls the running game so well he's worth way more to a team that you'd ever realize by just looking at his record and ERA like so many do.

[GD]

Buehrle has easily been worth his contract IMHO TBH IIRC