Aaron Sanchez Reality Check Thread

[flafson]

If Martin continues to hold his hand, it just might work out for Sanchez.

[dineke]

As someone who just moved here from overseas and relatively new to baseball. I find it hard to understand why a few fans seem to be willing Sanchez to fail to be proved right, which is apparently more important than their team winning (particularly the OP whose twitter account reads like a one man campaign against Sanchez).

 

Not everyone on here are really big blue jay fans I don't think. They're aspiring GMs living it on the internet more than anything

[Deadpool]

As someone who just moved here from overseas and relatively new to baseball. I find it hard to understand why a few fans seem to be willing Sanchez to fail to be proved right, which is apparently more important than their team winning (particularly the OP whose twitter account reads like a one man campaign against Sanchez).

 

One of the things you will (or maybe won't) learn about baseball is that there are numbers everywhere. The easy numbers to pick up on, and the ones that were historically given the most credence, do not tell the whole story.

 

When you look at the last Sanchez start in a vacuum it looks good, 7 innings, 0 runs allowed and a team win! All super great things. But those, in and of themselves, are not repeatable skills that show what he is likely to do going forward. As it stands now, he walks far too many batters (the biggest criticism that even his most ardent supporters will cop to), and he doesn't generate a lot of swinging strikes (a good predictor of future success). If you look at his numbers in the minor leagues, this has been a problem since he was drafted and hasn't shown signs of improvement.

 

I'm not in the "he sucks, trade him for whatever you can get" camp, I am, however, in the "he needs a lot of work, and he may never figure it out" camp. He has two things going for him, he is 22 years old and has time to work on his problems, and he can throw the ball really, really hard. Hopefully he can figure it out (tercet is probably the only one here who is actively wishing that he fails, but I think that's because he's jealous that both he and Sanchez are 7'3" and 118bs and only one of them got a $775,000 signing bonus...)

[BigCecil]

One of the things you will (or maybe won't) learn about baseball is that there are numbers everywhere. The easy numbers to pick up on, and the ones that were historically given the most credence, do not tell the whole story.

 

When you look at the last Sanchez start in a vacuum it looks good, 7 innings, 0 runs allowed and a team win! All super great things. But those, in and of themselves, are not repeatable skills that show what he is likely to do going forward. As it stands now, he walks far too many batters (the biggest criticism that even his most ardent supporters will cop to), and he doesn't generate a lot of swinging strikes (a good predictor of future success). If you look at his numbers in the minor leagues, this has been a problem since he was drafted and hasn't shown signs of improvement.

 

I'm not in the "he sucks, trade him for whatever you can get" camp, I am, however, in the "he needs a lot of work, and he may never figure it out" camp. He has two things going for him, he is 22 years old and has time to work on his problems, and he can throw the ball really, really hard. Hopefully he can figure it out (tercet is probably the only one here who is actively wishing that he fails, but I think that's because he's jealous that both he and Sanchez are 7'3" and 118bs and only one of them got a $775,000 signing bonus...)

 

Good post...agree with you 100%. I think a lot of people had "irrational exuberance" about his stint in the pen last year. Loads of talent but so what...many arms do. If he can improve command he will be highly effective.

[King]

This is not at all what's going on in this thread. People say he's terrible and wont' ever be good. A few pages back I brought up that he could be good but needs to work on things, but people on this forum look at 5 games worth of stats and conclude he's terrible. There are very few posters (especially in this thread) who aren't 'stoopit'

 

5 games of stats lol. How about ~130 games of stats. He's been bad his entire career and doesn't deserve to be pitching in the MLB right now, almost certainly relying on being a bonus baby to get him where he is.

[BlueJayWay]

As someone who just moved here from overseas and relatively new to baseball. I find it hard to understand why a few fans seem to be willing Sanchez to fail to be proved right, which is apparently more important than their team winning (particularly the OP whose twitter account reads like a one man campaign against Sanchez).

That's not really a baseball thing as much as it's a bluejaysmessageboard.com thing.

[Jimcanuck]

Jim has his head firmly stuck up his ass, is no reason to bust that start, the other day.

 

Based on your posts I figured you would agree with my position that Sanchez has been OK as a 22 yr old 5th starter.

[Jimcanuck]

5 games of stats lol. How about ~130 games of stats. He's been bad his entire career and doesn't deserve to be pitching in the MLB right now, almost certainly relying on being a bonus baby to get him where he is.

 

For Sanchez boosters, it's less about the stats and more about the undeniable talent. He has improved since some adjustments in Buffalo early last season and through the BP stint. Still very much a work in progress. So far he has been OK as a 5th starter. Until his being in the starting rotation starts to hurt the BJ chances, he's exactly where he should be.

 

He may continue to improve, or he may blow up. We will see.

[Mikeleelop]

Stats....

 

Doom and gloom....

 

Glad you guys aren't making decisions, potential is there

[baubau]

Stats....

 

Doom and gloom....

 

Glad you guys aren't making decisions, potential is there

 

Honestly, if we could make decisions we wouldn't have traded Gomes and Aviles for Rogers, wouldn't have traded Syndergaard or TDA for Dickey and sure we would have kept Kratz, traded Navarro and gotten rid of JPA long ago.

 

Potential is always there, doesn't mean it will pan out.

[RealAccountant]

A lot of people here are going to be eating crow when Sanchez is a reliable middle of the order pitcher and Syndergaard is pitching in the independent league 3 years from now.

[Jimcanuck]

Potential is always there, doesn't mean it will pan out.

 

There are degrees of potential. Sanchez ceiling is frontline starter, even an ace. In the Jays org, there are only a couple that share that potential... Stro, Hoffman, Castro.

[Deadpool]

A lot of people here are going to be eating crow when Sanchez is a reliable middle of the order pitcher and Syndergaard is pitching in the independent league 3 years from now.

 

If you aren't trolling right here, you really, really should delete your account and start over.

[Nafro]

If you aren't trolling right here, you really, really should delete your account and start over.

 

Deadpool is right.

 

If Syndergaard is in the Independent League 3 years from now. I agree to literally eat crow.

[Deadpool]

Deadpool is right.

 

If Syndergaard is in the Independent League 3 years from now. I agree to literally eat crow.

 

The only way Syndergaard isn't a better major league pitcher than Sanchez is if he suffers a career ending injury (or at least one that totally reduces his effectiveness). And I'm not in the "Sanchez is the worst thing since sliced bread got mouldy for the first time" category.

[GD]

The only way Syndergaard isn't a better major league pitcher than Sanchez is if he suffers a career ending injury (or at least one that totally reduces his effectiveness). And I'm not in the "Sanchez is the worst thing since sliced bread got mouldy for the first time" category.

 

I feel like if Syndergaard's elbow exploded he could pitch lefty and be better than Sanchez is pitching right now.

[Nafro]

The only way Syndergaard isn't a better major league pitcher than Sanchez is if he suffers a career ending injury (or at least one that totally reduces his effectiveness). And I'm not in the "Sanchez is the worst thing since sliced bread got mouldy for the first time" category.

 

Its funny you mention that. My thoughts were that an injury would be the only way he's not pitching anywhere in 3 years. I think Syndergaard likely will be better than Sanchez.

[Nafro]

I feel like if Syndergaard's elbow exploded he could pitch lefty and be better than Sanchez is pitching right now.

 

Now that is a ridiculous statement. Unless you are aware that Syndergaard is ambidextrous and throws well with his left hand. Even if he blew up his elbow, he'd go Micah Owings and play the field. Dude almost hit for the cycle his last game.

[GD]

Now that is a ridiculous statement. Unless you are aware that Syndergaard is ambidextrous and throws well with his left hand. Even if he blew up his elbow, he'd go Micah Owings and play the field. Dude almost hit for the cycle his last game.

[Nafro]

Who's this Sarcasm you speak of? Can he pitch? If he's good I think we should put him on the 40 man and DFA that bum Castro. He has not been very good in AAA at all.

[Orgfiller]

A sarcasm battle has been declared.

[Nafro]

A sarcasm battle has been declared.

 

I prefer a Thumb War

[Captain Adama]

A lot of people here are going to be eating crow when Sanchez is a reliable middle of the order pitcher and Syndergaard is pitching in the independent league 3 years from now.

 

Die.

[Atothe]

Middle of the order pitcher hehehe

[Spanky99]

Based on your posts I figured you would agree with my position that Sanchez has been OK as a 22 yr old 5th starter.

 

"Give me a break, he was beyond squeezed, he pitched well. A BB of 7/9 is certainly terrible, and Jim has his head firmly stuck up his ass, is no reason to bust that start, the other day. He was f***ed on two BB's where they should've been looking K's."

 

That was my post on his last start, I see potential in him, just not starting in the show at the moment. That BB/9 is redonkulous. He needs to improve like yesterday, but I'm not writing him off. I hope he shapes into something valuable.

 

Thanks for cherry-picking my post?

[L54]

I feel like if Syndergaard's elbow exploded he could pitch lefty and be better than Sanchez is pitching right now.

 

3/10

[GD]

3/10

 

fuk u that was great and my 5 thanks agree

[glory]

I still can't believe we traded Syndergaard for Dickey.

 

We would be where the Mets or Astros are today if we simply stuck with the original plan. Toronto sports teams never have any patience.

 

Sanchez so far is reminding me of Halladay in 1999 (awful BB rate but getting by). Still has upside but man is he playing with fire right now.

[Boxcar]

I still can't believe we traded Syndergaard for Dickey.

 

We would be where the Mets or Astros are today if we simply stuck with the original plan. Toronto sports teams never have any patience.

 

Sanchez so far is reminding me of Halladay in 1999 (awful BB rate but getting by). Still has upside but man is he playing with fire right now.

 

Baseless Halladay comps abound

[Boxcar]

Aaron Sanchez kinda reminds me of Curt Schilling if Curt was much, much, much shittier.