Aaron Sanchez Reality Check Thread

[SAAviour]

lol, no he's not. He's had two consecutive outings in which he's pitched terribly and not been burned. It happens all the time. He's walked 11 and struck out 8 in his last two starts, lol.

 

Did u watch yesterday's game?

2 walks were ********, he had one horrendous inning the he Houdini'd out of admittedly.

Despite that I'm not saying he was great yesterday, but his stuff looked better and control was better then the first couple starts. If the ump was giving him the outer edge he would have had 2 less walks for sure and a few more strike outs.

 

Yes, not good results, but YES definitely improving.

[BTS]

It seems like every time Sanchez walks more guys than he strikes out everyone bends over backwards to explain how 2-3 of the walks were unlucky walks.

[havok24]

It seems like every time Sanchez walks more guys than he strikes out everyone bends over backwards to explain how 2-3 of the walks were unlucky walks.

 

He is improving though. His walk rate went down after allowing only 5 last night.

[dineke]

Sanchez has been bad but that's been expected. What's sad is there are 2 starters performing worse than him this year on the jays.

[SAAviour]

It seems like every time Sanchez walks more guys than he strikes out everyone bends over backwards to explain how 2-3 of the walks were unlucky walks.

 

I've never done that, but last nights game was the worst performance I've seen from an umpire. I'm confident you didn't watch the game.

[BTS]

I've never done that, but last nights game was the worst performance I've seen from an umpire. I'm confident you didn't watch the game.

 

I didn't see a single inning, but I still know his performance yesterday was terrible.

[Laika]

Definitely some competitive walks yesterday.

[SAAviour]

I didn't see a single inning, but I still know his performance yesterday was terrible.

 

That's fine if you think his performance was terrible as I admit he got lucky. But you should find a way to quickly watch the game and see how many calls the ump missed.

[Laika]

That's fine if you think his performance was terrible as I admit he got lucky. But you should find a way to quickly watch the game and see how many calls the ump missed.

 

http://www.brooksbaseball.net/pfxVB/cache/location.php-pitchSel=592717&game=gid_2015_05_08_bosmlb_tormlb_1&batterX=&innings=yyyyyyyyy&sp_type=1&s_type=&league=mlb&pnf=&zlpo=&cache=1.gif

 

Looks like 7 called balls inside the zone, 2 called strikes outside.

 

He got screwed on the one side of the plate but the plot still doesn't inspire confidence. Look at all of those pitches just hung up and inside to righties. That's a huge issue for him.

[burlingtonbandit]

 

Wilner shuts down tercet lol

 

That is the exact reason why people hate the "advanced stats" guys. When morons go on Twitter and spam s*** like that because they think they know everything.

[TheHurl]

Nobody had any reason to believe that Yan Gomes could catch. There isn't a good way for fans to evaluate minor league defense, especially for a catcher, and the team that drafted and developed him for four years didn't think he could catch. As it turns out, the jays were more incompetent than anyone could have possibly imagined and he's a plus at everything on the defensive side. People were wrong about Gomes, but the information that led to an incorrect assessment was a lot more questionable than the information we have on Sanchez (or any MLB pitcher).

 

The Jays gave him 178 games behind the plate over 5 years (along with 37 games at 1B, 24 at 3B and 1 in LF) and even sent him to Venezuela to better learn 3B. The fans had great reason to believe he couldn't be a catcher.

[Atothe]

That is the exact reason why people hate the "advanced stats" guys. When morons go on Twitter and spam s*** like that because they think they know everything.

 

Tercet isn't exactly JFas so don't discount them because this fool likes trolling

[Macsattack]

Since you seem so inclined to stats, I'd warn you against using WHIP as an indicator for success.

Hey appreciate your line of thought. I ran about 15 years in simulation league's and with most pitchers being wildly inconsistent I look for a few keys area's that lead to success. Ground ball % >50%/Low Whip/Less than 1 HR /9 Innings. You can survive a little higher Whip if the balls staying in the park and the balls in play are on the ground. For younger pitchers you tend to see some pretty absurd stat lines so I invest a lot more time watching the action to see the types of swings a pitcher generates.

[ElNik2013]

No point in arguing over Sanchez, at least for me. I'm rooting for him to succeed so I'm looking for improvement on his change-up and his new pitch, the slider. Obviously, in addition to fastball command.

 

 

We'll see what happens...

[nmrch]

That is the exact reason why people hate the "advanced stats" guys. When morons go on Twitter and spam s*** like that because they think they know everything.

 

really? All i see is a guy who is right and another guy who uses the"tone" excuse to justify not thinking about his biases.

 

Its so absurd that saying Sanchez is a terrible pitcher is somehow controversial and people refuse to say where the nuance is.

[SAAviour]

http://www.brooksbaseball.net/pfxVB/cache/location.php-pitchSel=592717&game=gid_2015_05_08_bosmlb_tormlb_1&batterX=&innings=yyyyyyyyy&sp_type=1&s_type=&league=mlb&pnf=&zlpo=&cache=1.gif

 

Looks like 7 called balls inside the zone, 2 called strikes outside.

 

 

He got screwed on the one side of the plate but the plot still doesn't inspire confidence. Look at all of those pitches just hung up and inside to righties. That's a huge issue for him.

 

6 of those 7 were horrendous calls. I probably thought it was even more because the exact pitches were being called strikes against jays hitters...and yes there are some horrible misses up high to. I still think he's getting better, not good, but improving.

[tercet]

Omg the last hr nuts on twitter, pretty much everyone is jimcanuck.

 

I think I converted a few jimcanucks though!

 

Mission Complete!

[Daniel Labude]

I didn't see a single inning, but I still know his performance yesterday was terrible.

 

It was beyond terrible...its not like mlb teams want their pitchers to throw 7+ innings 0 runs. That's just boring baseball...lol

[theblujay]

Yesterday Sanchez pitched a good game.

[Jimcanuck]

No, he has not been ok this year. He has been sub replacement level garbage.

 

Might he become ok (as in a usable 5th starter)? Maybe, though I'd bet against it.

 

So what do you propose? Send him down to Buffalo, move him to the bullpen, trade him?

 

IMO, he's exactly where he should be. Getting experience and confidence with every start as the 5th starter.

 

Also, there will be a poll.

[Nox]

trade him?

 

That would be the best route. There are a few GMs as backwards as you. Unfortunately AA is one of them.

[burlingtonbandit]

really? All i see is a guy who is right and another guy who uses the"tone" excuse to justify not thinking about his biases.

 

Its so absurd that saying Sanchez is a terrible pitcher is somehow controversial and people refuse to say where the nuance is.

 

IF you try to make your point that way, no matter what it is, its going to piss people off. Especially with a Twitter profile like that.

[Yorkshire Blue Jay]

As someone who just moved here from overseas and relatively new to baseball. I find it hard to understand why a few fans seem to be willing Sanchez to fail to be proved right, which is apparently more important than their team winning (particularly the OP whose twitter account reads like a one man campaign against Sanchez).

[gruber92]

I didn't see a single inning, but I still know his performance yesterday was terrible.

 

Lol..

[crmr]

As someone who just moved here from overseas and relatively new to baseball. I find it hard to understand why a few fans seem to be willing Sanchez to fail to be proved right, which is apparently more important than their team winning (particularly the OP whose twitter account reads like a one man campaign against Sanchez).

 

All I can say is welcome to the forum. You will begin to notice who here to simply ignore soon.

 

This forum is a place where people look at 4-5 games worth of stats, make some bold statements then choose other stats to defend these positions. With Sanchez it started last year, so people will simply continue until they are right (and so it's boring to keep saying it over and over) or they are proven clearly wrong (i.e. 3-4 great years).

 

Edit: If you think it's bad when they predict someone to be bad, wait until they predict someone to be good and wait 3-4 years for him to be bad, then somehow blame the Jays for him being bad. Honestly if you're here for deep analysis of baseball you may be better simply listening to the Jays' broadcasters

[jays4life19]

As someone who just moved here from overseas and relatively new to baseball. I find it hard to understand why a few fans seem to be willing Sanchez to fail to be proved right, which is apparently more important than their team winning (particularly the OP whose twitter account reads like a one man campaign against Sanchez).

 

I don't think anyone wants Sanchez to fail. The posters who are not stoopit recognize he doesn't have the skill set right to succeed and he should be in the minors working on his change up and control. Dude has talent but he's pretty terrible right now.

[crmr]

I don't think anyone wants Sanchez to fail. The posters who are not stoopit recognize he doesn't have the skill set right to succeed and he should be in the minors working on his change up and control. Dude has talent but he's pretty terrible right now.

 

This is not at all what's going on in this thread. People say he's terrible and wont' ever be good. A few pages back I brought up that he could be good but needs to work on things, but people on this forum look at 5 games worth of stats and conclude he's terrible. There are very few posters (especially in this thread) who aren't 'stoopit'

[Spanky99]

I didn't see a single inning, but I still know his performance yesterday was terrible.

 

Give me a break, he was beyond squeezed, he pitched well. A BB of 7/9 is certainly terrible, and Jim has his head firmly stuck up his ass, is no reason to bust that start, the other day. He was f***ed on two BB's where they should've been looking K's.

[Spanky99]

All I can say is welcome to the forum. You will begin to notice who here to simply ignore soon.

 

This forum is a place where people look at 4-5 games worth of stats, make some bold statements then choose other stats to defend these positions.[b/] With Sanchez it started last year, so people will simply continue until they are right (and so it's boring to keep saying it over and over) or they are proven clearly wrong (i.e. 3-4 great years).

 

Edit: If you think it's bad when they predict someone to be bad, wait until they predict someone to be good and wait 3-4 years for him to be bad, then somehow blame the Jays for him being bad. Honestly if you're here for deep analysis of baseball you may be better simply listening to the Jays' broadcasters

 

This, simply isn't true.

[crmr]

This, simply isn't true.

 

The generalization that everyone does it is not true. It is very common, however.