Aaron Sanchez Reality Check Thread

[tercet]

Sanchez bad again tonight..

 

He had alot of 3 ball counts, finished with 3 walks.

 

Airballed another 3-4 pitches behind Russell..

[Daniel Labude]

Sanchez bad again tonight..

 

He had alot of 3 ball counts, finished with 3 walks.

 

Airballed another 3-4 pitches behind Russell..

If you thought he was bad then our pitching staff is terrible

[tercet]

If you thought he was bad then our pitching staff is terrible

 

Are you trolling? Not sure

[saskjayfan]

missed the game..had to work. I was listening to mike Stanton on mlb radio and he likes Sanchez. He's not near as knowledgeable as some of the experts on here, but he likes the kid.

[TheHurl]

You know it's an in between outing when both the Sanchez Reality check and stud threads are active.

[glory]

One step closer to Estrada in the rotation, like it should have been from the start. Keep doing your thing, Sanchez.

[BTS]

Sanchez today: 4.42 xFIP

Blue Jays rotation on the season: 5.03 xFIP

 

Guy has a point lol

 

Jays rotation has been awful through two turns. I really think Buehrle walking is going to be a tough pill to swallow in the offseason. He'll be missed next year.

[reedjohnsonfan]

Sanchez today: 4.42 xFIP

Blue Jays rotation on the season: 5.03 xFIP

 

Guy has a point lol

 

Well, that's not the only way to evaluate them early. Maybe you're an xFIP only kind of guy which is ok if that's the only stat you give a s*** about. Looks like it'll be more of the same: Hutch will be inconsistent, Buehrle/Dickey will be reliable but not great and Norris is a wild card who could be nice to have. As for Sanchez I think you just let Estrada get some starts for now.

[Laika]

Well, that's not the only way to evaluate them early. Maybe you're an xFIP only kind of guy which is ok if that's the only stat you give a s*** about. Looks like it'll be more of the same: Hutch will be inconsistent, Buehrle/Dickey will be reliable but not great and Norris is a wild card who could be nice to have. As for Sanchez I think you just let Estrada get some starts for now.

 

I expect Norris and Hutch to pitch a lot better going forward.

 

Martin doesn't seem comfortable doing anything right now (except throwing), which might be influencing the pitchers a little bit. I think Russ is putting a bit too much pressure on himself early on, or something intangible like that.

[keggy]

Watching Sanchez reminds me so much of a young Kelvim Escobar. You could pinpoint the exact at bats where he'd lose his release point and throw ten straight fastballs for balls. Then he'd find it again and shred a batter to pieces.

 

Sanchez overmatched a handful of batters today but looked bad overall much in the same way Escobar used to. Hopefully Sanchez finds himself sooner than Kelvim did, although he did end up becoming a fine starter down the road.

[Spanky99]

I expect Norris and Hutch to pitch a lot better going forward.

 

Martin doesn't seem comfortable doing anything right now (except throwing), which might be influencing the pitchers a little bit. I think Russ is putting a bit too much pressure on himself early on, or something intangible like that.

 

I agree.

[Spanky99]

That is what Sanchez is. Borderline 5th starter on a s***** team.

 

No command, not much control either.

 

People keep talking about his stuff but honestly his stuff looks like s*** to me.

 

He's tall and he throws hard, that's literally all he has going for him.

 

This remains to be seen, asshat

[glory]

Jays rotation has been awful through two turns. I really think Buehrle walking is going to be a tough pill to swallow in the offseason. He'll be missed next year.

 

Yep. I'd give the qualifying offer to Buehrle in 10 seconds this off-season. Maybe he does us a favor and accepts. In reality he will probably leave and the rotation will be hurt without him.

[TRM]

No reason the Jays can't go out and get a guy with the Buehrle money though. So many SP options out there this summer. If Norris and Hutch are fine (they should be) and make steps in the right direction, then a rotation of Norris, Hutch, Stroman, Dickey and FA Starter is pretty legit. Problem is the bats are another year older and more frail.

 

This is assuming the Jays pick up Dickey's option, which I imagine they will if Buehrle walks.

[BigBounceyBlueBalls]

Jays rotation has been awful through two turns. I really think Buehrle walking is going to be a tough pill to swallow in the offseason. He'll be missed next year.

 

Dump dickey and Thole and with Romero off the books resign Buehrle, please!

[Stangstag]

With Romero, Buehrle, and Dickey off the books next year, we have like 37 million freed up. Definitely enough to buy a good starter

[SaskJaysFan_2]

Personally, I would give Sanchez one more start. He looked better, more comfortable, last night and pitched well enough to win honestly. But if he blows chunks, he should be demoted and asked to focus on location. When is Santana going to be ready? Will he be ready? I think he has an opt-out clause at the end of April if he's not on the team. If he looks decent at all, and is ready, I'd love for him to get a chance. Letting Sanchez mature a bit in AAA.

 

Also, I'd pick up Dickey's option for shizzle. And I might also try to re-sign MB. Signing both might seem crazy, but it might allow the FO to trade a blue chip prospect (like Sanchez) for someone who can make a real impact in 2016 and beyond.

 

But like others have mentioned, there are a ton of SP FA's this year. I just really like Dickey and MB.

[Frenchsoup]

With Romero, Buehrle, and Dickey off the books next year, we have like 37 million freed up. Definitely enough to buy a good starter

 

 

Or you could just keep both and go with Stroman, Hutch, Buerhle, Dickey, Hoffman/Norris

[o2cui2i]

With Romero, Buehrle, and Dickey off the books next year, we have like 37 million freed up. Definitely enough to buy a good starter

 

it just feels like Reyes is on the books forever... and ever... and ever.

[TRM]

it just feels like Reyes is on the books forever... and ever... and ever.

 

4M to buy him out in 2018 too, it's expensive to just make him go away.

[TRM]

Personally, I would give Sanchez one more start. He looked better, more comfortable, last night and pitched well enough to win honestly. But if he blows chunks, he should be demoted and asked to focus on location. When is Santana going to be ready? Will he be ready? I think he has an opt-out clause at the end of April if he's not on the team. If he looks decent at all, and is ready, I'd love for him to get a chance. Letting Sanchez mature a bit in AAA.

 

Also, I'd pick up Dickey's option for shizzle. And I might also try to re-sign MB. Signing both might seem crazy, but it might allow the FO to trade a blue chip prospect (like Sanchez) for someone who can make a real impact in 2016 and beyond.

 

But like others have mentioned, there are a ton of SP FA's this year. I just really like Dickey and MB.

 

Makes sense as long as they don't torpedo his value this year. If they can trade Sanchez at his perceived value (based on prospect lists) that would be a huge move.

[o2cui2i]

4M to buy him out in 2018 too, it's expensive to just make him go away.

 

dude is sugar glass. he'd looked the best he's been since he became a jay, but that doesn't help if he's broken all the time. it's beyond ridiculous.

[SaskJaysFan_2]

Makes sense as long as they don't torpedo his value this year. If they can trade Sanchez at his perceived value (based on prospect lists) that would be a huge move.

 

Worst case, he shits the bed his next start, gets demoted for a few months, and comes up again in September and is lights out in the bullpen. Well, maybe not worse case. Worse case is TJ. But I think that scenario would keep his trade value high. I don't like Sanchez and I don't think he'll pan out. I'd rather get something proven with 2-3 years of control for Sanchez and a B prospect.

[TRM]

Worst case, he shits the bed his next start, gets demoted for a few months, and comes up again in September and is lights out in the bullpen. Well, maybe not worse case. Worse case is TJ. But I think that scenario would keep his trade value high. I don't like Sanchez and I don't think he'll pan out. I'd rather get something proven with 2-3 years of control for Sanchez and a B prospect.

 

Agreed. He's a classic sell-high candidate right now. Selling a year ago would have been better of course. Trading him rather than Syndergaard for Dickey even better. Oh well. If they can get a legit pitcher for him, they should absolutely go for it. Tanner Roark would be swell.

[SaskJaysFan_2]

dude is sugar glass. he'd looked the best he's been since he became a jay, but that doesn't help if he's broken all the time. it's beyond ridiculous.

 

Yeah, it's like every game I'm expecting something to happen. I don't know what you do. If he plays ~ 120 games a year (allowing for 42 games down with injury) he still prolly accrues a 2 WAR or something. Goins can play all the games he's hurt. Maybe Goins bat will come around a bit, making him a plus WAR SS whenever Reyes is down. Would PT Reyes and Goins give you 2+ WAR at SS? I think so. A full year of Reyes would be 3-4 WAR, but that will never happen.

 

But oblique injuries are awful. I think he might be out for a couple months. But I wonder, he's a switch hitter. Would batting one way only maybe not hurt his oblique so much? Maybe he can come back sooner that later and just hit one way for a while if that's the case.

[o2cui2i]

Yeah, it's like every game I'm expecting something to happen. I don't know what you do. If he plays ~ 120 games a year (allowing for 42 games down with injury) he still prolly accrues a 2 WAR or something. Goins can play all the games he's hurt. Maybe Goins bat will come around a bit, making him a plus WAR SS whenever Reyes is down. Would PT Reyes and Goins give you 2+ WAR at SS? I think so. A full year of Reyes would be 3-4 WAR, but that will never happen.

 

But oblique injuries are awful. I think he might be out for a couple months. But I wonder, he's a switch hitter. Would batting one way only maybe not hurt his oblique so much? Maybe he can come back sooner that later and just hit one way for a while if that's the case.

 

it's just always something... hopefully this is not too bad

[mellowgold]

Show on Saturday @ the Moustache Club. Be there, Spanky!

 

Are you talking about the Moustache Club in Oshawa? Is your band playing there?

[tercet]

Sanchez is fooling no-one!

 

6.9% O-Swing, 5.3% SwStr, 39% F-Strike

[BTS]

I don't think it's as easy as just buying a starter before 2016. For 2017, Edwin, Bautista, Reyes, Martin, and Donaldson will cost in the vicinity of $100 million. That's five players. There are a lot of starters on the market this offseason, but anything longer than 1 year could mean Edwin or Jose walk pre-2017.

[Laika]

Apparently Gibby was on Blair this morning and hinted that his leash may be close to up.

 

Blair: "Putting two-and-two together, I think we're gonna see Sanchez back in the bullpen, maybe by the end of the homestand."