Munenori Kawasaki optioned

[HERPDERP]

I hate when people do this...

 

Seriously, you're already on the internet, why not... y'know... CHECK YOUR FACTS before you make all the rest of your points weaker by spouting something that's simply wrong and easy to prove wrong.

 

http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/k/kawasmu01.shtml

 

Kawasaki played 10 games at second (39.2 innings) LAST YEAR. So if "popular belief" is that "Kawasaki has played at least a single game at second base" then popular belief is absof***inglutely correct.

 

Takes 10 seconds to check these things before you post... Jeebus.

 

Well sorry that I only glanced over minor league stats, but do you have to be so angry about it?

[kcjaysfan]

I just finished looking through this thread, and all I have to say is, I need f***ing smoke after reading all of this.

[Deadpool]

Well sorry that I only glanced over minor league stats, but do you have to be so angry about it?

 

It's not totally directed at you. I just really dislike when people spout off "well known facts" that are easily disproven.

[kcjaysfan]

Well sorry that I only glanced over minor league stats, but do you have to be so angry about it?

 

I would imagine it's because you made a definitive statement when you were wrong.

[Jays]

I hate when people do this...

 

Seriously, you're already on the internet, why not... y'know... CHECK YOUR FACTS before you make all the rest of your points weaker by spouting something that's simply wrong and easy to prove wrong.

 

http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/k/kawasmu01.shtml

 

Kawasaki played 10 games at second (39.2 innings) LAST YEAR. So if "popular belief" is that "Kawasaki has played at least a single game at second base" then popular belief is absof***inglutely correct.

 

Takes 10 seconds to check these things before you post... Jeebus.

 

In his defense, he probably didn't know baseball reference exists.

[dmrich28]

In his defense, he probably didn't know baseball reference exists.

 

And 39.2 innings at 2B is an insignificant sample size to be worth anything.

He only had 19 chances.

[KSaw]

Silliness. Shortstop is the most difficult infield position. I've never seen a competent shortstop who couldn't play 2b.

[CHRIS]

Did he mean literally or figuratively?

 

lol, no idea.

[Deadpool]

And 39.2 innings at 2B is an insignificant sample size to be worth anything.

He only had 19 chances.

 

Irrelevant to the issue at hand. He said 0 games, the number was 10 games.

 

I am technically correct....

 

(This, but with I):

 

http://swtor.gamingfeeds.com/wp-content/blogs.dir/5/files/HLIC/0ae172c4e5584507b72c3553af0340b7.jpg

[G-Snarls]

Silliness. Shortstop is the most difficult infield position. I've never seen a competent shortstop who couldn't play 2b.

 

Correct

[CHRIS]

Shi Davidi ‏@ShiDavidi Getting Jose Reyes back for Kawasaki is like upgrading a Lada to a Lamborghini, yet #BlueJays fans are crushed. Why? http://bit.ly/14WGlUt

 

I can't imagine anyone is upset that Reyes is coming back; it's Kawasaki relative to Boni/Izturis that blows.

[kcjaysfan]

Irrelevant to the issue at hand. He said 0 games, the number was 10 games.

 

I am technically correct....

 

(This, but with I):

 

http://swtor.gamingfeeds.com/wp-content/blogs.dir/5/files/HLIC/0ae172c4e5584507b72c3553af0340b7.jpg

 

"I are technicaly correct?"

[dmrich28]

Irrelevant to the issue at hand. He said 0 games, the number was 10 games.

 

I am technically correct....

 

Never said you were wrong, just said that 19 chances isn't enough to prove anything either.

 

I agree with those that say a descent SS should handle 2B without much problem, but the turn for a DP is definitely something that needs working on since it's a completely different approach. He did turn 3 I think during the 10 games.

 

Anyways, it doesn't really matter for now, there's probably more chance of seeing Lawrie at 2B before Kawasaki now

[JaysAllMighty]

Pretty bad when the old board is making more sense on this issue.

[dmrich28]

Pretty bad when the old board is making more sense on this issue.

 

LOL, not so sure about that. Once Zaun and Hayhurst were mentioned in the thread I stopped reading.

Everytime I think Pat, Buck, Zaun, Hayhurst and Wilner I have to LOL a little.

[JaysAllMighty]

LOL, not so sure about that. Once Zaun and Hayhurst were mentioned in the thread I stopped reading.

Everytime I think Pat, Buck, Zaun, Hayhurst and Wilner I have to LOL a little.

 

Of course I was referring to the posts that were on topic.

[ElNik2013]

Shi Davidi ‏@ShiDavidi Getting Jose Reyes back for Kawasaki is like upgrading a Lada to a Lamborghini, yet #BlueJays fans are crushed. Why? http://bit.ly/14WGlUt

 

 

This Davidi is a tool for saying this and I'm not one of those losing it over the demotion, I expect a trade in the next 2-3 weeks. Why can't these guys scrutinize Bonifacio's performance the same way the sh** all over Kawasaki and ignore his OBP? I mean, don't they see that he can't hit a 90mph fastball or take a walk to use his only above-average tool? Obviously not.

[Deadpool]

This Davidi is a tool for saying this and I'm not one of those losing it over the demotion, I expect a trade in the next 2-3 weeks. Why can't these guys scrutinize Bonifacio's performance the same way the sh** all over Kawasaki and ignore his OBP? I mean, don't they see that he can't hit a 90mph fastball or take a walk to use his only above-average tool? Obviously not.

 

Yeah, that's a pretty pignorant comment. There's not a person alive (well, other than people who regularly call Jays Talk) that is framing this as a Kawasaki v/ Reyes issue, and to suggest otherwise is to create a straw-man so large that hippies instinctively want to light it on fire and dance around it while getting stoned off their faces.

[Olerud363]

As I said earlier, it's funny how everyone was hating on the 'intangibles' that a guy like DeRosa brings. "Veterin presents?" Well how about Kawasaki? "Cheerleader extraordinaire"?

 

The way I look at this transaction is to see among whom of Kawasaki, DeRosa, Izturis and Boniface will contribute the most off the bench.

 

DeRosa can play 2nd and 3rd with power and a good eye.

Izturis is the same as above

Boniface can play CF and is a good late inning running replacement

So that leaves Kawasaki, who contrary to popular belief, has never played a single game at second base in his professional career (including Japan). In fact, he has only played SS in all his years.

 

So merely suggesting that he could be flipped over to 2nd is ludicrous. Kawasaki cannot hit. Kawasaki cannot run. He isn't the type of guy that can be your bench player.

 

What Kawasaki is best is your starting SS in the 9-hole. But he just doesn't have the chance here.

 

You make a good point in that Kawasaki doesn't have experience at second. I suspect he will get some time at second in the minors.

 

You make a bad point in that Kawasaki can't hit. He might not be able to hit. But if not it's not a "tools" thing. He showed an amazing "pitch recognition" tool. And a surpisingly "line drive power tool", take a look at his 4 doubles, 4 triples, and homer. Watch the video if you have time. His line drive power tool is as good as Boni's no doubt.

 

So it comes down to wether he can make hard contact more consistently (he has a little gap power when he does). Hard to scout this and really just have to give the guy at bats and see.

[Olerud363]

Silliness. Shortstop is the most difficult infield position. I've never seen a competent shortstop who couldn't play 2b.

 

Thank you. A simple, obvious, but overlooked point.

 

Kawasaki has good defensive tools. If he didn't he wouldn't of played 50+ games as a major league short stop.

[Olerud363]

Kawasaki is far from great but he is a positive influence in the dugout, can work a count and can actually bunt a baseball. Bonifacio can't play the infield at all, has a low baseball IQ, is a weak hitter and happens to be a gifted athlete who is younger and runs like the wind. For me it's as simple as that and I take the baseball player everyday. I actually do anything to ensure that Bonifacio never ever plays 2b for Toronto again.

 

I ask all these idiots to take a look at the videos of Boni's extra base hits and Kawasaki's. Both have about the same "power" tool, both have about the same "hit" tool, Kawasaki has a better "defense" tool (he can play short stop). Boni is a bit faster. But Kawasaki can bunt and has a better stolen base percentage.

 

Ridiculous stuff. If it was a body building competition ofcourse Boni would win infinite to nothing... but when you look closely at the "tools", speed, range, the arm, the way the ball comes off the bat... it's incredibly close.

 

When you consider actual baseball skills, pitch recognition, jumps, etc. Kawasaki is way better.

[The Cats Ass]

Boni can't be sent down because the Lo Viste brand would take a hit. AA is a part owner of the brand and doesn't want his stocks to go down.

[G-Snarls]

[G-Snarls]

The TV broad cast shows a quite from Gibby "Mark my words, he'll be back"

 

How specific and why was this said so explicitly?

[KSaw]

The TV broad cast shows a quite from Gibby "Mark my words, he'll be back"

 

How specific and why was this said so explicitly?

 

He was very clear and why not? It's a no brainer. He's an obvious September call up.

[Hawkguy]

Silliness. Shortstop is the most difficult infield position. I've never seen a competent shortstop who couldn't play 2b.

Bingo. Normally as competent SS's get older, if they swing a good bat, they'll get moved to 2B because there are better (defensive) options at SS, who are younger and quicker.

 

Shi Davidi ‏@ShiDavidi Getting Jose Reyes back for Kawasaki is like upgrading a Lada to a Lamborghini, yet #BlueJays fans are crushed. Why? http://bit.ly/14WGlUt

My reply on Twitter;

 

Nathaniel Lewis ‏@nathanrjlewis now

@ShiDavidi Yah, sure. But now lets look at it in an opposite light - Wouldn't Reyes over Bonifacio be like upgrading a Bicycle to a Ferrari?

[dmrich28]

I better hear some f***ing Kawasaki chants at the SkyDome. A Legend is no longer in our midst.

 

legend lol..but I like how ya still call it Skydome

[wilko]

That's what it's called. What else would I call it?

 

http://thechive.files.wordpress.com/2013/01/sara-jean-underwood.jpeg

[dineke]

Love that tune!

 

I can listen to The Bends and Ok Computer for daaaaaaaaaaaaays.

[JaysAllMighty]

hmmmm...

 

http://vimeo.com/67452333