Hawkguy

I'm not really offended - I just value bullpens more than some people I guess. If we can keep Loup on a fairly cheap contract, the guy is going to help us win. Scott Downs was one of my favourite players ever. Guy was so dependable back there. The only thing you can really find online is a few tweets from Lott (National Post) that I posted where he talked about Loup doing spot starts. One of the tweets said he was spot starting because of a double header.

Where are you gettnig this information? All of the information I've found and from memory, he was not not a starting pitcher in Lansing, except for spot starts. And from the tweets (John Lott of the National Post has a few), his starts in Lansing were generally pretty great. He also definitely started as a reliever in Lansing. A tweet from Lott proves it. . Anyway, like I said it's a dumb argument now. In his post-draft career, he was never a starter, aside from a few spot starts. Pre-draft, I guess you could call him a failed starter because every reliever/closer is (even though some never have the stamina to be good). And he definitely started quite a few games in College. Either way, I just made this thread because I think he's becoming a key part to our bullpen. People shove off bullpen guys like they are nothing, but a good bullpen is very key. If we had the starting pitching we thought we'd have, we'd be very hard to beat with this bullpen.

It's not a conclusion. I have no doubt he started before he drafted, in fact, I know he had (he was also used as reliever in college as well). But after being drafted, he never failed as a starter because he was never put there. He started as a reliever, who spot started a few times. Since being drafted, he's 100% been a reliever. If you want to say he's a failed starter, every reliever and closer in the MLB is because 99% of them were starters as kids. Anyway, it's a dumb argument. Doesn't even matter. Shocks me that so many people don't really care for him though. Bullpen's are so underrated.

Because he's not a failed starter. He started 5 games out of 133 games in the minors. You can't fail in 5 games. However, I mistakenly mistook you for the guy who originally made the claim, my apologies. Also, just some proof from Twitter. From a reporter for the National Post.

Oh right.. it couldn't have been anything like this year where we've moved Rogers into the rotation for spot starts, or anything like that. Nope, couldn't be that, considering he didn't start 1 game in his first year in the minors. And only started a handful in his second year (5 of 33 appearances). Nope. Failed starter. My bad.

lol what?? I swear some of you just talk out of your ass. He was drafted in 2009 and started a whopping 5 games out of 133 games in the minors. Wow.

Oh, nice! A picture of Jesse Carlson. A guy who never posted a WHIP under 1.00 and burned out after one season! http://www.threadbombing.com/data/media/30/you_fail.jpg

Just throwing this out there, since he's not one of the first guys people mention. The guy literally came out of nowhere and has become one of the most valuable pieces of our bullpen. I honestly trust him more than just about any guy back there. Sure, he gives up more hits than the average reliever, but he also walks no one. The kid has had a sub 1.00 WHIP in over 80 innings thus far (0.955). He rarely gives up runs and rarely puts forth a bad outing. When you think of the Toronto bullpen, who would you think has pitched the most innings? Answer is Aaron Loup and most people wouldn't guess that. You always hear about Janssen, Delabar, and Cecil. But it's time Loup got some love. Anyone else as thrilled with Loup as I am? http://binaryapi.ap.org/06df09ca5e764aac8d3b447c70681143/512x.jpg

First of all, his entire career is a small sample size. The fact that you chirped me for a small sample size applies right back to you. Also, he was on pace for a positive war. Learn your f***ing stats before you start spewing out ********. Nice try, moron. Either way, welcome back Brett! Glad to have you back.

.319 is a lot better than the other options. Don't be a spelling/grammar whore, man. f***ing lame.

Buehrle looks like he's going to cry.

The thing with OBP% is that we're talking about bottom of the order guys (Izturis, Boni, Kawasaki). None of them have good averages (all under .250) and only one of them has a respectable OBP%. Their AVG/OBP lines (before tonight) are; .246/.287 .217/.320 .208/.244 I'll take the high OBP% for bottom of the order guys. If they get on base - they flip the order usually (or help to) where your guys who hit .300 or hit for power are. 2-out, 1 on 2B - of course a 2B is better than a walk. But if, let's say Kawasaki gets a walk, then you have 2 on for a guy who is hitting .307. As far as I'm concerned, #1, #2 and #9 need to have high OBP%'s. Even if the caller was right, Wilner would find a way to rip him. I've never heard Wilner hate a guy for absolutely no reason so much before.

Wah wah wah. They could have been like the Leafs and lost the game. lol. The error sucked. He knows it did. He was laughing as a sigh of relief not because he thought it was funny that he screwed up.

"I everyday study English... see you tomorrow!" Amazing.

It is no big deal. We won. Who cares. It was an ugly finish - but without his AB, we don't win anyway.