Potential Trade Targets in We're Buyers

[KSaw]

Well I think that every GM in baseball would trade 1 prospect, no matter how good, for a 26-year old established Major Leaguer who is one if the best young catchers in the game. It's a no brainer. Don't over-value prospects, especially ones who are out with injury and are still in A-ball.

[Metallijay]

I despite threads like this - they seem all together pointless. That is all.

 

Then why post in it? Seems like a sensible thread on a baseball forum to me.

[Dude]

I despite threads like this - they seem all together pointless. That is all.

 

needs a poll

[Randy The Robot]

I despite threads like this - they seem all together pointless. That is all.

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Yep, especially when Arencibia, Bonifacio, etc are in a hypothetical trade as if they have any value.

[KSaw]

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Yep, especially when Arencibia, Bonifacio, etc are in a hypothetical trade as if they have any value.

 

Many GMs value power and speed. Those 2 players are frustrating but carry value. I'd run both out of town if I could buy one man's garbage is another's treasure.

[Sammy225]

Anyone else think that AJ Ellis is worth a look. I don't know if the dodgers would be willing to deal him or not but might come a little cheaper and would be a huge upgrade over JPA.

[HERPDERP]

How about Tim Lincecum guys?

 

Giants could be sellers..

 

If he fails at the rotation we could put him in the bullpen where he excelled last year.

 

Not sure how much it would cost, though.

[Rafters]

AA's style would be more like acquiring Jesse Crain Edited June 20, 2013 by Rafters

[Captain Adama]

If Morrow is out awhile what about Nolasco? Contract year and will come cheap. Has had 6 straight years of sub 4 FIP.

 

I agree with this, the only worry about him is that he has now consistently underperforming to what his FIP and xFIP would indicate for those 6 straight years. But the Marlins are most definitely looking to deal him.

[connorp]

If Morrow is out awhile what about Nolasco? Contract year and will come cheap. Has had 6 straight years of sub 4 FIP.

 

He was one of the guys I was thinking about, as I was thinking about guys that wouldn't cost Sanchez/Gose etc..

but them I thought of what AA gave up for Happ and I'm not sure I want to see the deal made. There will be a market for Nolasco too

[connorp]

AA style would be like acquiring Jesse Crain

 

He wouldn't come cheap.. and if you're going to splurge, not sure you want to blow your load getting a reliever.

 

edit.. sorry either I missed your sarcasm or you edited your post about acquiring Crain

Edited June 20, 2013 by connorp

[connorp]

I despite threads like this - they seem all together pointless. That is all.

 

It most certainly is not. "Should we aquire Bryce Harper" threads and that sort of thing might be.. but you can bet AA will be checking his board and working the phones soon enough, if he hasn't started already.

[GD]

Mean wOBA is .311 and mean ISO is .152 this year for a catcher.

 

Thanks. Didn't have time to export the fangraphs tables and such.

 

Anyone else think that AJ Ellis is worth a look. I don't know if the dodgers would be willing to deal him or not but might come a little cheaper and would be a huge upgrade over JPA.

 

If they'd sell him I'd be all over that.

 

If Morrow is out awhile what about Nolasco? Contract year and will come cheap. Has had 6 straight years of sub 4 FIP.

 

He seems like a guy that goes for much more than you would expect, for whatever reason. Just a hunch on my part I guess.

 

AA style would be like acquiring Jesse Crain

 

Jesse Crain is a very good reliever.

[connorp]

Yeah I think the phone will ring for Nolasco. The second WC really gives a lot of teams hope.. so more demand will drive up the cost.. I think its always the case with SP.

Price tag will prob be too high for what it is

[ace3113]

What about Jose Altuve? Houston wants and needs young pitching and we have a ton of it.

[Caper]

What about Jose Altuve? Houston wants and needs young pitching and we have a ton of it.

 

Be one of the few guys I would want to target... but I don't think they do the deal. He's their future too.

[GD]

What about Jose Altuve? Houston wants and needs young pitching and we have a ton of it.

 

That takes one of Sanchez or Osuna, Nolin, and someone else legit like Smoral or Norris, and then some.

[GeorgiaPeach]

What about Jose Altuve? Houston wants and needs young pitching and we have a ton of it.

 

What about a deal centred around Taveras & Kolten Wong for Bautista & Josh Johnson and smaller pieces to fill the trade out?

 

Carpenter appears to have a hold on 2B for the time being.

[ace3113]

What about a deal centred around Taveras & Kolten Wong for Bautista & Josh Johnson and smaller pieces to fill the trade out?

 

Carpenter appears to have a hold on 2B for the time being.

 

I think Wong is gettable. Would probably take someone like Stroman, who they could use to fill in for Motte and then put back into the rotation at some later point. I'm not sure if that's a good deal for us though, as I love Stroman. Maybe if we can construct a deal around Stilson and maybe Nolin. I don't sense that St. Louis is all that high on Wong anymore and with the emergence of Carpenter he's blocked.

 

I would hang onto Johnson unless something really good comes along. We would have him to make a run, then qualify him and either have him accept and make another run with him next year, or take a comp pick in a very good draft.

[Randy The Robot]

Many GMs value power and speed. Those 2 players are frustrating but carry value. I'd run both out of town if I could buy one man's garbage is another's treasure.

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Sure, lower level prospect that is completely irrelevant value. But in these trades that are being proposed certainly not.

[ace3113]

Altuve's not that great, it would probably just take Sanchez and a lesser prospect. He's a role player whose value comes in years of cheap control. I don't even know if I'd do that deal either, let's just get Utley.

 

Yeah, Altuve's good but he's not Sanchez good. He has a 300 woba this year and a 325woba last year which is average and below average respectively. I think he's better than his stats, but Houston has a lot of infield depth behind him in Deshields, and even Fontana. I think it would take a package of good prospects, but not elite prospects.

[Randy The Robot]

I think Wong is gettable. Would probably take someone like Stroman, who they could use to fill in for Motte and then put back into the rotation at some later point. I'm not sure if that's a good deal for us though, as I love Stroman. Maybe if we can construct a deal around Stilson and maybe Nolin. I don't sense that St. Louis is all that high on Wong anymore and with the emergence of carpenter he's blocked.

 

I would hang onto Johnson unless something really good comes along. We would have him to make a run, then qualify him and either have him accept and make another run with him next year, or take a comp pick in a very good draft.

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I think you're forgetting the opposing team in these trades. Where is Bautista going to play? No room for Johnson in the rotation(well actually that's debatable) but regardless he still isn't enough of an upgrade for either of those prospects to be parted with.

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Why would you think the Cards aren't high on Wong? Outside of his walk rate he has been fantastic this year. It's fair to say his stock has rose.

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Wong for Stroman? A potentially solid second baseman for a likely really good reliever? And where would Stroman play anyway? Already a logjam in the bullpen. Plus lets not forget the whole PED debacle that undoubtedly concerns other organizations, especially one as well run as the Cardinals.

[ace3113]

I think you're forgetting the opposing team in these trades. Where is Bautista going to play? No room for Johnson in the rotation(well actually that's debatable) but regardless he still isn't enough of an upgrade for either of those prospects to be parted with.

 

I didn't say anything about trading Bautista or Johnson. You should probably go back and read it again. That was the poster before me.

 

Wong for Stroman? A potentially solid second baseman for a likely really good reliever? And where would Stroman play anyway? Already a logjam in the bullpen. Plus lets not forget the whole PED debacle that undoubtedly concerns other organizations, especially one as well run as the Cardinals.

 

First, Stroman never took a PED (which means performance enhancing drug), he was suspended for taking a banned substance which is not the same thing. Jeremy Jeffress was suspended on two separate occasions for smoking weed, and I'm pretty sure weed is not a PED.

[John_Havok]

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Plus lets not forget the whole PED debacle that undoubtedly concerns other organizations, especially one as well run as the Cardinals.

 

I think you greatly underestimate very intelligent people and there ability to differentiate between someone busted for taking an OTC stimulant with a tiny fraction of something that probably made no difference whatsoever, and a guy on steroids.

 

Just because MLB paints all banned substances with the same brush doesn't mean they are equal in reality.

[Dr Negative]

Gose for Wong

[ace3113]

Any other second basemen, we could target? How is Scooter Gennett doing with Milwaukee?

[GD]

What about a deal centred around Taveras & Kolten Wong for Bautista & Josh Johnson and smaller pieces to fill the trade out?

 

Carpenter appears to have a hold on 2B for the time being.

 

I think it's fair, but I don't think they do that.

 

Altuve's not that great, it would probably just take Sanchez and a lesser prospect. He's a role player whose value comes in years of cheap control. I don't even know if I'd do that deal either, let's just get Utley.

 

I meant that's what they're giving him up for, not that that's what he's worth. In my opinion obviously

 

I dunno what we'd have to give for Utley. Nolin?

[GD]

Yeah it probably would take more than Sanchez, so won't get done.

 

More than Nolin for sure, teams get good hauls for rentals. Utley would have to be healthy at the time of course... maybe Osuna, JPA and Loup for Ruiz and Utley?

 

I don't want to move Osuna, really, at least not for a couple of rentals. He's just so damn good.

[Deadpool]

I think you greatly underestimate very intelligent people and there ability to differentiate between someone busted for taking an OTC stimulant with a tiny fraction of something that probably made no difference whatsoever, and a guy on steroids.

 

Just because MLB paints all banned substances with the same brush doesn't mean they are equal in reality.

 

Also, the substance in question is on the MiLB banned substance list, and NOT on the MLB banned substance list. IIRC the stories I read said that if he'd been in the majors, there would have been no problem at all with what he took.

[flafson]

Looks like Casey Janssen is the 2nd most talked about closer option for the whole league.

I've seen his name quite a few times around Tigers forums and even Red Sox fans think they should get him. I'm surprised no one mentioned Brett Cecil, i guess they don't know him well enough.... Yet.