Travis Snider Pirate perfomance thread

[Arkadium]

Travis goes yard for HR numero uno! On pace for 4-5 HR this year... boy did Toronto ever screw this kid up.

[Daniel Labude]

Wish we still had him...hitting for avg and still has power. He hit the ball out of pirates stadium, that was a blast!

[Arkadium]

Wish we still had him...hitting for avg and still has power. He hit the ball out of pirates stadium, that was a blast!

 

He does have tremendous raw power but it's been dormant, I blame Toronto (Cito / AA / Ritardi).

[Laika]

I blame Travis Snider. Other people might have f***ed him up, sure, but even if that's true, he still let him. Accountability.

 

The likeliest case is that he just didn't ever have the skill set to succeed, anyway.

[EdelweissBouquet]

Wish we still had him...hitting for avg and still has power. He hit the ball out of pirates stadium, that was a blast!

 

Yes, he would be the answer to all the jays problems.

[P2F]

It's time to let this go.

[Arkadium]

It's time to let this go.

 

Well it's an off day so not much else to do.

[oakville69]

Snider did hit 14HR one year in 80 games with the Jays. I won't forget his 2 HR's at Twins stadium in early April 2009 or 2010.

 

Jays gave Corey Patterson & Fred Lewis more playing time than their top prospects Snider.

[gruber92]

Oh God. Mods, please please do not allow this thread to continue. Snider is ancient history who will be nothing more than an average to below average platoon player. Hard to believe there are still people here who have a hard on for this guy.

[Arkadium]

Snider sucks. /thread

 

Neg, he doesn't suck. He's not especially good yet either.

[crrr]

It would be really sad if threads such as the first Snider thread were deleted

[HASHTAGYOLOSWAG]

The people who are saying "Snider sukz!!" are the same people who are crying when we traded him. Just because he's not on our team and you don't get to see his play everyday doesn't mean he sucks.

 

I liked Snider and I wish him all the best, he's definitely playing better with his changed scenery.

[BluejayEd]

It was unfortunate how everything went down in regards to how the organization treated him but with that said he hasn't really much for a while now.

[G-Snarls]

As much as I actually contributed to the Snider thread on the old board, I really didn't want one here. Time to let go.

[G-Snarls]

That said I had planned in starting a general "departed prospects" tracking thread.

[eastcoastjaysfan]

I'm very thankful we traded semi useful Travis Snider for world killer Brad Lincoln

[dineke]

At least he's better than Brett Wallace. That's something to hang your hat on.

[Olerud363]

Snider sucks. /thread

 

Amazing that people still complain about Snider's power when we have a .279 .316 .364 left fielder with one homer. But... But... Melky has a sweet swing with line drives while Snider is fat... Melky is fat to if you didn't notice.

 

Right now the Snider move(s) are a negative.

 

Lincoln 0-1 6.something era

 

Snider .290 .360 .400 (aproximate)

Melky .280 .316 .360 (aprosimate)

 

This stuff can change quickly. But right now a Snider/Sierra platoon and spending the 16 million on something else would look good.

 

Pulling for Snider, but also pulling for Melky. Hopefully they both look good in a few weeks. And hopefully Lincoln provides some value.

[vdartanian]

Amazing that people still complain about Snider's power when we have a .279 .316 .364 left fielder with one homer. But... But... Melky has a sweet swing with line drives while Snider is fat... Melky is fat to if you didn't notice.

 

 

You can't really be comparing Snider to Melky with a straight face.

 

One is a quality major league bat (border-line all star), the other will be out of baseball in 18 months.

 

Melky's stats and the end of the year will be much better than Snider's and if you can't see that by now then may god have mercy on your soul.

[G-Snarls]

I'm very thankful we traded semi useful Travis Snider for world killer Brad Lincoln

 

Yep. Thames for Delabar sweet. Snider for Lincoln ug.

[Slade]

I'd take that OBP any day and the power might be coming. I still think it was a mistake to trade him but there's enough talent on the team right now for it to not be a big deal.

[Arkadium]

You can't really be comparing Snider to Melky with a straight face.

 

One is a quality major league bat (border-line all star), the other will be out of baseball in 18 months.

 

Melky's stats and the end of the year will be much better than Snider's and if you can't see that by now then may god have mercy on your soul.

 

Are you kidding? Take away Melky's '12 and their career stat lines are basically the same. I also presume Melky starting taking PED's in '11... so you should probably take that out of the equation too, in which case Snider is an overall BETTER offensive player than Melky. And imagine if he had the opportunity to play everyday. Plus we already know Snider will provide better defense. So how the f*** can't you compare them?

[SAAviour]

That said I had planned in starting a general "departed prospects" tracking thread.

 

That would be a great thread....I'm too lazy to do it and always hoped someone else wold. Come on gsnarls, you could be that guy! I'll 'thank' you in it....which will make it so worthwhile.

[crrr]

Amazing that people still complain about Snider's power when we have a .279 .316 .364 left fielder with one homer. But... But... Melky has a sweet swing with line drives while Snider is fat... Melky is fat to if you didn't notice.

 

Right now the Snider move(s) are a negative.

 

Lincoln 0-1 6.something era

 

Snider .290 .360 .400 (aproximate)

Melky .280 .316 .360 (aprosimate)

 

This stuff can change quickly. But right now a Snider/Sierra platoon and spending the 16 million on something else would look good.

 

Pulling for Snider, but also pulling for Melky. Hopefully they both look good in a few weeks. And hopefully Lincoln provides some value.

 

The sad thing about this is posters like Dinger will use this 1.5 months of success to feed some strange argument based on almost no sample that he will 'almost certainly be an all-star'.

 

It's too bad really.

[Nox]

Snider's can't really be considered anything special right now but he could still be a useful MLB piece (like a Hinske or something just to throw a fat, white guy, ex LH Blue Jay comp out there). Brad Lincoln is probably just a RHR s*** bag.

[Arkadium]

Snider's can't really be considered anything special right now but he could still be a useful MLB piece (like a Hinske or something just to throw a fat, white guy, ex LH Blue Jay comp out there). Brad Lincoln is probably just a RHR s*** bag.

 

More or less true. But a lot of players suffer because they don't get the chance to play everyday... I'm sure you could come up with a wealth of players who turned from mediocre to good or great players after getting the opportunity to play everyday (i.e. Bautista).

[Olerud363]

You can't really be comparing Snider to Melky with a straight face.

 

One is a quality major league bat (border-line all star), the other will be out of baseball in 18 months.

 

Melky's stats and the end of the year will be much better than Snider's and if you can't see that by now then may god have mercy on your soul.

 

When I see a comment like this I always start by explaining where dogs come from. If you get a dog, you can have a little less risk if you get one all grown up (Especially a rescue dog where you don't know the parents and you can see how big, and what kind of temperment it will end up with). But it was still once a puppy and came from somewhere. Baseball players are the same.

 

OK. This is actually an interesting comparison. Snider and Melky both came up at 20... both were traded by their organization at around age 24. It is actually very interesting to compare them age by age. Let's look at plate appearances, and the triple slash stats.

 

20 M - 19 .211 .211 .211 .421

20 S - 80 .301 .338 .466 .803

 

21 M - 524 .280 .360 .391 .752

21 S - 276 .241 .328 .419 .748

 

22 M - 612 .273 .327 .391 .718

22 S - 319 .255 .304 .463 .767

 

23 M - 453 .249 .301 .341 .641

23 S - 202 .225 .269 .348 .616

 

24 M - 540 .274 .336 .416 .752

24 S - 185 .250 .319 .378 .697

 

25 M - 509 .255 .317 .354 .671

25 S - 107 .292 .364 .406 .771 ** (not complete yet)

 

Some interesting stats. Snider is actually ahead in terms of OPS if you compare him to Melky through age 25. Melky has always been given more at bats. One still wonders what Snider could do with 500 plate appearances.

 

Even with Melky's BIG years at age 26 and 27 their life time OPS is actually still quite similiar

 

Melky life time .284 .337 .412 .749

Snider life time .252 .314 .415 .735

 

So our border line all star barely has an OPS higher than a waste of time fatty who will be released in 18 months?? That's not much of a border line all star... especially considering all his good work was done under the specter of steroids.

Edited May 17, 2013 by Olerud363

[Olerud363]

You can't really be comparing Snider to Melky with a straight face.

 

One is a quality major league bat (border-line all star), the other will be out of baseball in 18 months.

 

Melky's stats and the end of the year will be much better than Snider's and if you can't see that by now then may god have mercy on your soul.

 

It's amazing that you can say this with a straight face.

 

You do realize that if Snider is to get released by the Pirates he will be following in Melky's footsteps EXACTLY.

 

Your hero Melky got released by the Atlanta Braves after being given a second chance with them, at the same age Snider is getting a second chance with the pirates. It wasn't until his third chance with KC that Melky finally had a real good season (apparently with a little help).

[Smokey]

..

 

Why you jacking my s*** bro??

[Olerud363]

That is an hysterical statement. Travis Snider has shown zero consistency in his career.

 

Unlike the consistency shown by Melky.

 

2010 Melky OPS .671

2011 Melky OPS .809

2012 Melky OPS .906

2013 Melky OPS .680

 

I guess looking at it Melky does consistently show a about a .200 point difference in OPS between proven roid seasons and seasons where he (presumably) isn't on roids. Very consistent player.