On base thread continued...

[Olerud363]

May 8th 2013

 

Farrel 21-12 .343 on base

Jays 13-21 .304 on base

 

Jays show some fight. Now above .300 in on base percentage.

 

Projected home runs - 210 1st in A.L.

Projected runs - 624 10th in A.L.

 

The dream of 200+ homeruns and less than 600 runs was unrealistic. But 200+ homers and less than 700 runs is possible.

 

Today's J.P. Arencibia k/bb ratio 45-2. Can J.P. get 200 ks with less than 10 walks??

[CHRIS]

Today's J.P. Arencibia k/bb ratio 45-2. Can J.P. get 200 ks with less than 10 walks??

 

This is crazy town.

[BabbaGanoush]

Jeez. JP is such an idiot. "Oh hey its a 1-2 count with a runner on 3rd and no one out, guess I should swing for the fences!"

[kcjaysfan]

Jeez. JP is such an idiot. "Oh hey its a 1-2 count with a runner on 3rd and no one out, guess I should swing for the fences!"

 

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[Nox]

This is crazy town.

 

I actually hadn't realized it had gotten this crazy. Yikes.

[Olerud363]

Soooo Fugly!

 

Things are looking up in both wins and on base percentage...

 

Jays 17-24 .310 oba

 

The improvement is mainly due to improved batting average as many posters such as Spanky predicted would happen. Still near the bottom, but no longer in the "utter disaster of an organization" category.

 

We are actually very close to the first place Yankees in terms of offense. Have scored more runs, have a similiar on base percentage. The difference between the Jays and Yankees is all pitching.

 

Big series coming up obviously. Need to win this one.

 

I still think the Jays fortunes will be tied to team on base percentage. I just don't see Beurhle, Johnson, Morrow, Happ, Romero in their current states of injury and performance forming an elite pitching staff. But I could see the offense being one of the best in the league, Some things have to happen. Reyes has to get healthy, Bautista has to stay healthy, Lind has to stay good Lind, Lawrie has to continue rising out of his slump.

 

If all that happens then it all comes down to J.P. Arencibia... I just don't see a playoff team carrying a guy with a .250 on base percentage and a 200-8 k/bb, which J.P. remains on track for at the 1/4 mark.

 

This has to improve eventually?? Right?? Or he has to stop hitting homers, because why would the pitchers give him anything to hit at all at this point??

[fatcowxlive]

Jeez. JP is such an idiot. "Oh hey its a 1-2 count with a runner on 3rd and no one out, guess I should swing for the fences!"

 

lol apparently he leads the majors in 2 strike homers

[Stangstag]

If all that happens then it all comes down to J.P. Arencibia... I just don't see a playoff team carrying a guy with a .250 on base percentage and a 200-8 k/bb, which J.P. remains on track for at the 1/4 mark.

 

This has to improve eventually?? Right?? Or he has to stop hitting homers, because why would the pitchers give him anything to hit at all at this point??

 

Check out Pat Border's numbers. Every bit as bad as JP, without the power. Also had horrid defense.

 

We won 2 world series with that guy, so...

[Sammy225]

Check out Pat Border's numbers. Every bit as bad as JP, without the power. Also had horrid defense.

 

We won 2 world series with that guy, so...

 

Actually Pat Borders was a very solid defensive catcher. That is how you have a 17 year career when you have a below average bat.

[mitchf]

May 8th 2013

 

Farrel 21-12 .343 on base

Jays 13-21 .304 on base

 

Jays show some fight. Now above .300 in on base percentage.

 

Projected home runs - 210 1st in A.L.

Projected runs - 624 10th in A.L.

 

The dream of 200+ homeruns and less than 600 runs was unrealistic. But 200+ homers and less than 700 runs is possible.

 

Today's J.P. Arencibia k/bb ratio 45-2. Can J.P. get 200 ks with less than 10 walks??

To be honest, I didn't know this was possible. Hitting .236 suddenly seems like a milestone for JP.

[kcjaysfan]

Arencibia's K/BB ratio reminds me of an old PS2 baseball game I used to play (All-Star Baseball 2005, I think). If I simulated games, players would seem to walk normally, but when I was actually playing a game, pitchers would rarely throw balls. Most PAs rarely went more than two or three pitches because they were always throwing strikes. So if I actually played the whole season myself, a lot of players would have anywhere from 30-50 Ks, but only a couple walks. I think the most walks I drew was about 10 in a really bizarre season with Tony Batista. They really liked to throw him breaking balls outside.

[Olerud363]

Check out Pat Border's numbers. Every bit as bad as JP, without the power. Also had horrid defense.

 

We won 2 world series with that guy, so...

 

That's a good point. However JP is below Borders in the on base and k/bb departments. If he could reach 92/93 Borders level in on base (about .288) and k/bb ratio that would be great. Right now he is way below that.

 

I'm just saying something has to give. It would be very hard to envision Arencibia's play remaining the same and the Jays winning. Something has to give. Either his power will decrease, or his walks will go up. If his power decreases then his playing time has to go down.

 

I don't think you can make the playoffs with a player having a 200-8 k/bb ratio and a .250 on base average because.

 

1. The player would need to hit 40 homers to be productive, even as a catcher.

2. At some point the pitchers would stop giving the guy anything at all to hit. A player is not going to have 40 homers, 8 walks and 200 strikeouts. Are they??

3. When the power decreases the player will adjust, or if he doesn't the organization would have to reduce his playing time... wouldn't they??

4. So the chances that J.P. will hit 40 homers with a 200-8 k/bb ratio are almost nothing. He might hit 27 homers with a 200-8 k/bb ratio. But if he does that it will torpedo the Jays chances of making the playoffs.

5. I know they did it with Borders. But to me that represents the limitis of how bad one can be. A .280 on base, 30 walks. OK. you can win with such a player. If J.P. can get to that level it will be a huge improvement.

 

All this again assumes J.P. won't hit 40 homers with a 200-8 k/bb... the pitchers will adjust, and either his walks will go up, or he'll hit .202 with 27 homers. If he adjust maybe he'll hit .240 with 30 homers and 30 walks. That wouldn't be bad.

[z3r0s]

Arencibia's K/BB ratio reminds me of an old PS2 baseball game I used to play (All-Star Baseball 2005, I think). If I simulated games, players would seem to walk normally, but when I was actually playing a game, pitchers would rarely throw balls. Most PAs rarely went more than two or three pitches because they were always throwing strikes. So if I actually played the whole season myself, a lot of players would have anywhere from 30-50 Ks, but only a couple walks. I think the most walks I drew was about 10 in a really bizarre season with Tony Batista. They really liked to throw him breaking balls outside.

 

I find the same thing with the last version of 'The Show' I played. I hate when I get the advancement goal to walk X times in the next Y series. Even when I'm trying to walk, I never get thrown enough balls. The vast majority of walks I drew were on 4 straight or intentionally.

[kcjaysfan]

The vast majority of walks I drew were on 4 straight or intentionally.

 

When I would play as the 2004 Expos, Brian Schneider would often lead the team with about half a dozen walks, all intentional.

[KSaw]

Pat Borders was elite at blocking balls. Now he wasn't elite at anything else but he was also one of the best in the game at blocking the plate and tagging guys out. He was fearless and runners had to go threw him. No stat line can dispute either. He dealt with staffs that had silly sliders and splitters who bounced an insane amount of pitches. He could also receive. Watching him frame Guzman pitches was an art form being that all catchers for Juan were told to just set up in the middle for every pitch, give him a big centre of the plate target and move accordingly. JPA would have been lost.

[z3r0s]

The problem is that pitchers in video games never lose their control for a couple innings like in real life. Sometimes pitchers just don't have it.

 

In video games pitchers exert their dominance in generating swinging-strikes and in limiting BABIP. The difficulty slider is essentially a BABIP slider, games don't really follow DIPS. I love baseball video games but they're not real baseball.

 

It just frustrates me that my players always end up with a OBP that's only slightly higher than his AVG. Those guys frustrate me IRL

[crrr]

I actually hadn't realized it had gotten this crazy. Yikes.

 

I was a bit surprised to see Rasmus was 2nd in k's as well, but even in good games production wise, they're each adding a k or two, and JP no walks

[Metallijay]

That's a good point. However JP is below Borders in the on base and k/bb departments. If he could reach 92/93 Borders level in on base (about .288) and k/bb ratio that would be great. Right now he is way below that.

 

I'm just saying something has to give. It would be very hard to envision Arencibia's play remaining the same and the Jays winning. Something has to give. Either his power will decrease, or his walks will go up. If his power decreases then his playing time has to go down.

 

I don't think you can make the playoffs with a player having a 200-8 k/bb ratio and a .250 on base average because.

 

1. The player would need to hit 40 homers to be productive, even as a catcher.

2. At some point the pitchers would stop giving the guy anything at all to hit. A player is not going to have 40 homers, 8 walks and 200 strikeouts. Are they??

3. When the power decreases the player will adjust, or if he doesn't the organization would have to reduce his playing time... wouldn't they??

4. So the chances that J.P. will hit 40 homers with a 200-8 k/bb ratio are almost nothing. He might hit 27 homers with a 200-8 k/bb ratio. But if he does that it will torpedo the Jays chances of making the playoffs.

5. I know they did it with Borders. But to me that represents the limitis of how bad one can be. A .280 on base, 30 walks. OK. you can win with such a player. If J.P. can get to that level it will be a huge improvement.

 

All this again assumes J.P. won't hit 40 homers with a 200-8 k/bb... the pitchers will adjust, and either his walks will go up, or he'll hit .202 with 27 homers. If he adjust maybe he'll hit .240 with 30 homers and 30 walks. That wouldn't be bad.

 

To make matters worse he is a liability defensively, yet the Jays bat him fourth and think he is the catcher of the future...brutal.

[Metallijay]

Actually Pat Borders was a very solid defensive catcher. That is how you have a 17 year career when you have a below average bat.

 

Your argument is Pat borders was not good so its ok to go with JP? LULZ, and Borders was actually decent defensively, JP is terrible.

[Metallijay]

The problem is that pitchers in video games never lose their control for a couple innings like in real life. Sometimes pitchers just don't have it.

 

In video games pitchers exert their dominance in generating swinging-strikes and in limiting BABIP. The difficulty slider is essentially a BABIP slider, games don't really follow DIPS. I love baseball video games but they're not real baseball.

 

Someone has not played the show...................MLB The show I walk allt he time and yes pitchers do struggle with control in the show. BEst most realistic sports game ever. The shows plays close to real baseball as you will ever see.

[Metallijay]

I find the same thing with the last version of 'The Show' I played. I hate when I get the advancement goal to walk X times in the next Y series. Even when I'm trying to walk, I never get thrown enough balls. The vast majority of walks I drew were on 4 straight or intentionally.

 

Your doing something wrong, I consistently walk in the show on all star. As do most on OS SPorts.

[z3r0s]

Your doing something wrong, I consistently walk in the show on all star. As do most on OS SPorts.

 

What version is it, mine is a few years old (which may or may not be much different that the one your playing).

[Metallijay]

What version is it, mine is a few years old (which may or may not be much different that the one your playing).

 

I've played since 09 and it is easy to walk unless your an impatient hitter. The show is known for it's authenticity and realism. If you approach an at bat like a hitter in real life does, take pitches wait for a pitch to hit, work the count, walks happen regularily. I know guys who have 100 + walks with a few players over their seasons. If your not walking you have bad hitting habits. Just finished a game, rattled the pitcher drew 3 walks in 1 inning and 6 in the game total. Sometimes you have to foul off a few close pitches and work a pitcher.

[z3r0s]

I've played since 09 and it is easy to walk unless your an impatient hitter. The show is known for it's authenticity and realism. If you approach an at bat like a hitter in real life does, take pitches wait for a pitch to hit, work the count, walks happen regularily. I know guys who have 100 + walks with a few players over their seasons. If your not walking you have bad hitting habits. Just finished a game, rattled the pitcher drew 3 walks in 1 inning and 6 in the game total. Sometimes you have to foul off a few close pitches and work a pitcher.

 

I'm talking RTTS more than playing a game. I don't think I have terrible habbits. I usually see plenty of pitches in an AB and get a good pitch to hit. I just find that a hittable ball generally comes to me before ball 4. Who knows, maybe I'm doing it wrong.

[Arkadium]

May 8th 2013

 

Farrel 21-12 .343 on base

Jays 13-21 .304 on base

 

Jays show some fight. Now above .300 in on base percentage.

 

Projected home runs - 210 1st in A.L.

Projected runs - 624 10th in A.L.

 

The dream of 200+ homeruns and less than 600 runs was unrealistic. But 200+ homers and less than 700 runs is possible.

 

Today's J.P. Arencibia k/bb ratio 45-2. Can J.P. get 200 ks with less than 10 walks??

 

Are you able to pull up split team stats?

 

I'd be curious to know what our OBP has been in the month of May vs. other teams in the AL East.

 

P.S> f*** JP, I hate that guy... selfish prick...

[GD]

Someone has not played the show...................MLB The show I walk allt he time and yes pitchers do struggle with control in the show. BEst most realistic sports game ever. The shows plays close to real baseball as you will ever see.

 

It's not as realistic as you state and defense plays absolutely no role in the outcome of games

[Abomination]

Are you able to pull up split team stats?

 

I'd be curious to know what our OBP has been in the month of May vs. other teams in the AL East.

 

We are at .340 obp for May. Yankees are .290, Orioles .318, Boston .328, Tampa .366

[KevinGregg]

I don't think I have terrible habbits. I usually see plenty of pitches in an AB and get a good pitch to hit. I just find that a hittable ball generally comes to me before ball 4. Who knows, maybe I'm doing it wrong.

 

Didnt jpa say something similar to this in an interview

[Sammy225]

Your argument is Pat borders was not good so its ok to go with JP? LULZ, and Borders was actually decent defensively, JP is terrible.

 

Actually No. I am basically saying that Borders was a good Defensive catcher an that was why he was the catcher for those 2 world series. Said nothing about JPA. I would take a solid Defensive catcher any day over a power hitter with no discipline and sub par defensive skills.

[Metallijay]

It's not as realistic as you state and defense plays absolutely no role in the outcome of games

 

?? errors happen all the time at a realistic clip..........you playin on rookie? lol Not a shred of truth to that. Throwing from the outfield with bautista is drastically diff then rajai davis, you can throw out runners with bautista, not with davis unless the runner makes a mistake. Speed and range also come into play as well as defensive attributes. Players with worse d makes more errors. Do you even play the show? Sure doesn't sound like you do.

 

Pitch counts, stats at bats all happen realistically, if your K all the time and cannot walk you suck at hitting.

 

How many other sports games have you played? Compared to other games yes the show is that realistic. It plays a very realistic game of ball. You have to train yourself to recognize pitches out of the pitchers hand and you can learn to judge the zone and talk walks with regularity. Just like real baseball.

Edited May 16, 2013 by Metallijay