The Prospect/Minor Leagues Thread

[Sparky12]

Deibison Barreto, No Franklin Barreto

 

 

Nolin is legit, back to the road.

 

Great to see Nolin with a solid outing, he's gonna be a real important SP depth next year

[eastcoastjaysfan]

I haven't been paying attention. Is Jenkins back in Buffalo?

 

Why the hell is Wang getting a start over him? He's a fringe MLBer but the guy has thrown out three passable starts for us.

[DuckDuckGose]

Stroman and Norris are on the mound today btw

[Laika]

I think Osuna could possibly too? Not sure about that yet

 

I thought he tore his UCL

[Caper]

f***! Norris exits game due to injury in 2nd inning

 

Better injured now... Then later.

[GD]

Oh my god enough f***ing injuries you have to be s***ing me

[GD]

Injured pitchers, the new market inefficiency.

[theblujay]

Good start for Stroman, got up to 91 pitches.

 

Pillar 2-3 2B BB

 

Andy Burns 1-3 HR

 

Smith Jr. 3-5 2B

Osuna so far: 2IP 1H 1K

[ElNik2013]

So I see that Sanchez is not back yet from that "minor" muscle problem. At least Osuna is back.

[StevieRay]

So I see that Sanchez is not back yet from that "minor" muscle problem. At least Osuna is back.

 

Dont hold your breath. TJ seems inevitable for Osuna (you never know and blue jays never get a break), but good he is still young.

[BabbaGanoush]

Jeezuz Osuna

[Angrioter]

Final line on Osuna

5IP 2H 0ER 0BB 5K

 

f***ing #2, Yovani Gallado is here baby

[Atothe]

f***ing #2, Yovani Gallado is here baby

 

Hopefully better because Yovani is a disappointment

[GD]

Precautionary = career ending surgery

[G-Snarls]

Final line on Osuna

5IP 2H 0ER 0BB 5K

 

Is there some sort of age-accelerating treatment that we can get him on???

[Olerud363]

Is there some sort of age-accelerating treatment that we can get him on???

 

No need to accelerate his age.

 

The trip from Lansing to Toronto can be done in about 1 year. If Osuna continues to be lights out he could be assigned to Dunnedin in later this year. Start next year in New Hamphire. Then at New Hampshire if he's performing he could be called up to Toronto at any time (as we've seen with Hutch and Nolin).

 

Now is it smart to call up a 19 year old?? Not if you expect him to pitch deep into games and go 115 pitches... I don't think young guys are ready for that kind of work load.

 

However if he is really a phenom (and we don't know, many things could go wrong between here and New Hamphsire) then I wouldn't have a problem calling him up relatively soon (as of 2014). As long as the Jays still have a program in place to protect his arm.

 

This should be feasible with a 8 man bullpen and guys like Loup/Lincoln who can go multiple innnings.

[Caper]

Sooo... does this mean the surgery is off the table? Did we just dodge a bullet?

[Caper]

Osuna

Norris

Sanchez

Stroman

 

That's still a good group of young arms.

[ReturnOfTheYeti]

Sooo... does this mean the surgery is off the table? Did we just dodge a bullet?

 

I can't say about the surgery, but just based on the results from yesterday's game, I'd think that it's a really encouraging sign. I'd probably want to wait a few days - or perhaps a few starts - to see if his health regresses though. It'll be interesting to see how he's feeling in the next couple of days after the start.

 

Definitely part of the 'next wave' of high end pitching prospects IMO.

[Olerud363]

Sooo... does this mean the surgery is off the table? Did we just dodge a bullet?

 

Good question. Can he go to atleast 30 without the surgery??

 

I mean if he's bound to need it sometime in his 20s anyway it would make a lot of sense to get it now....

[Caper]

I wonder how Osuna could do in Buffalo right now..... I was looking him up on baseball reference and saw he pitched 20 innings at the AAA level as a 16 year old (Mexican league). That was 2 years ago. I'm not saying have him in Buffalo to accelerate his path to the majors, but to give him the most experience possible against crafty hitters.... Even though his numbers would not be near as good. I wonder if 3 years of pitching at that level would better prepare him.

[Angrioter]

Osuna's only 18, he'd easily be the youngest player in the International League. His numbers in Lansing may be amazing, but you have to go level-by-level. He needs to prove mastery of each level before advancing, I don't think it would help him to jump straight to Buffalo.

 

Osuna is more advanced than many of our pitchers in Double A. He deserves to be in Dunedin.

[Caper]

Osuna's only 18, he'd easily be the youngest player in the International League. His numbers in Lansing may be amazing, but you have to go level-by-level. He needs to prove mastery of each level before advancing, I don't think it would help him to jump straight to Buffalo.

 

I'm sure you are right. But I still wonder why that is. I'm thinking... if you are pitching in Lansing you pitch a certain way. Maybe you can overwhelm so many guys with your fastball... or get hackers chasing stuff..... strategies that will not work in the high minors or the majors.... but you still want him in a setting where the results hardly matter.... so would he be better in Buffalo? Facing tough outs, learning for 3 years how to get those tough outs? Or like you said, do you do it a level at a time. But like I said... the results don't matter much at all levels and potentially you develop bad habits that you have to move away from anyway once you reach the high minors.... so why not just start there?

 

Again... I think in the end, you... and player development are right.

[ReturnOfTheYeti]

I agree that you should be somewhat aggressive and give him a challenge, but for most pitchers who recently turned 18, playing in any full-season league is a challenge. Osuna's only made six starts in Lansing, it's possible that the league could adjust a little to him and give him stuff to work on. Right now Carlos Sanchez is the youngest player in the IL, and he was born June 29, 1992. Osuna was born in 1995! He would set all sorts of records if he was pitching in Buffalo and I don't think that would be good.

 

Osuna's not at the point yet where he is ready to "learn ... how to get those tough outs", he should be working on building arm strength by working off his fastball, and tightening his other pitches. The other pitches aren't ready to be used against advanced hitters, he's probably still really raw in throwing them.

 

I think that you raise a really good point. Even though he's dominating the league now, it's a great opportunity to refine the other pitches that maybe aren't quite there yet. I had originally thought that maybe in August he could be promoted to FSL but maybe you're right, maybe leave him where he is now for the year and start him in the FSL next year with a possible promotion to NH later in the year.

[DuckDuckGose]

I'm sure you are right. But I still wonder why that is. I'm thinking... if you are pitching in Lansing you pitch a certain way. Maybe you can overwhelm so many guys with your fastball... or get hackers chasing stuff..... strategies that will not work in the high minors or the majors.... but you still want him in a setting where the results hardly matter.... so would he be better in Buffalo? Facing tough outs, learning for 3 years how to get those tough outs? Or like you said, do you do it a level at a time. But like I said... the results don't matter much at all levels and potentially you develop bad habits that you have to move away from anyway once you reach the high minors.... so why not just start there?

 

Again... I think in the end, you... and player development are right.

 

TBH I'd love to see Osuna get some time in AA this season. He isn't going to get knocked around worse than he did as a 16 year old in the Mexican League. Then NH can start the year with a rotation of Nolin, Sanchez, Stroman, Osuna, Deck, caught by AJ Jimenez, with Crouse in CF and Kevy Pillar in left. Ya, that's be a fun team to watch....

[ReturnOfTheYeti]

TBH I'd love to see Osuna get some time in AA this season. He isn't going to get knocked around worse than he did as a 16 year old in the Mexican League. Then NH can start the year with a rotation of Nolin, Sanchez, Stroman, Osuna, Deck, caught by AJ Jimenez, with Crouse in CF and Kevy Pillar in left. Ya, that's be a fun team to watch....

 

No reason to rush it IMO, especially since there are arm issues. It could do more harm than good - physically and from a development standpoint - to have a young pitcher like that jump from Lansing to NH in the space during the same season.

[GD]

Giving him ~6 more starts in Lansing, bumping him up to Dunedin, and then putting him in a AA playoff game (assuming that happens) is probably my preference. Didn't we do something similar with McGuire?

 

Not that that's a great example lol.

[G-Snarls]

Poor TDA. Man he needs to stay healthy.

 

[G-Snarls]

Why move him even that fast? Sanchez is almost three years older and spent all year in Lansing last year. I believe they'll let Osuna spend all year in Lansing, then most of next year in Dunedin. Then most of 2015 in New Hampshire, with perhaps a few starts in Buffalo at the end of the season.

 

Agree. There must be legit reasons to develop pitchers the way teams do.

 

He's got a few more years to go

 

When's the last time a pitcher under 20 to get called up to the majors? Even 20/21 seems fairly rare.

[Caper]

In a train of thought.... I bet young pitchers love facing mlb players on rehab starts.