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In this photo he reminds me of the Chief in BattleStar Galactica. He's a number crunching fraking Cylon!

Yes he seemed to win us a bunch of games doing that - the drawn in infield and a pitch in the middle over the plate - hey just stick the bat out and bam single up the middle to score the game winning run from third - better than selfish big name jerk who swings for the fences and strikes out 9/10 but happens to hit 3 bombs when the team is up by 10. The infield is back - maybe Colabello takes a different approach to the at-bat - is that at all factored in? Do the stats account for the multi-verse in game situations where a guy says hey if I hit the ball 100 feet I win the game? Spray hitters tend to have better bat control and thus can actually look at the defense and determine which pitch, where it is pitched will give them the best opportunity to get a hit. Pull hitters tend to only be able to hit balls pitched to them in certain locations. Smoak hit 18 bombs in just 296 AB's. More than respectable defense (the best we have anyway) at 1B and IF EE gets hurt (he always seems to be hurt) you have a guy with the potential to pound 35-40 homers over a full season - even if he strikes out a TON. Not a bad back-up and maybe you could trade EE for a pitcher and use Colabello and Smoak as a platoon.

The Red Sox have a huge wealth of prospects to trade - for example they are in good position to offer a package to Cleveland and land a Carlos Carasco or make a trade with Cincinnati to add Chapman and have the best bullpen in baseball. They can do a lot of things - that Jays have almost zero minor league talent to trade (and seem unwilling anyway) and if they trade bats they run the risk of losing the one real strength that they have. I would like to see our Jays hitters and their career numbers off of Price - or perhaps just over the last say two years. Just to see what we're in for. And Price is mainly about the fastball - his secondary offerings aren't nearly as strong and if he loses some mph on the fastball - I wonder how effective he will remain.

This is an enticing player but I suppose the reservation people have is the power versus defense and speed thing - speed and defense drop off and he doesn't hit for power. An OPS under .800 for a RF - nothing exactly leaps off the page to me. Would it be outrageous to compare him to someone like Alex Rios circa 26 years old. 5 tool player without a single tool that really blows you away. EE and or Bautista will likely be traded or let go. When I look at this guy I kinda of think maybe there is more in there - a left handed bat in the Jays' order in a homer hitting park and surrounding him with our line-up - man...You stick him in left field for 2016 and if Bautista does leave or moved to first then you move Heyward over to right. Would 10 years $170million get it done? The Jays could probably take that on - you move Revere and his $7 million and they're not taking on a back breaking deal. In five years the way salaries are heading today's $17 million will likely look like $10 million in 2020. I guess I just like big offense from corner outfielders - I like to see the 30 homer and .900+ OPS for the $20 million. According to baseball reference Heyward put up more war than Jose Bautista but I can't really see how the Jays win more games last year with Heyward in RF over Jose. If Jose won 10 games with his bat and lost one game with his defense and Heyward (being a far inferior hitter) won two games with his bat - does Heyward's defense really win 7 games. My issue with the stats is - I want to see game situational evidence - where we have a 1 run lead in the ninth and the bases loaded and a ball is hit to RF and Bautista misses the ball and the Jays lose the game - does Heyward get that ball? If so then in the "real world" Heyward wins a game that Bautista would have us lose - Do the stats indicate direct influence on runs scored or just add the overall number of balls hit to RF that one guy gets and the other guy doesn't. I just can't believe that any team in baseball - (if you took money and age out of the equation) and JUST looked at the two players in a one year 2015 vacuum would not rather have had Jose than Heyward. The old school baseball approach was to be rock solid up the middle defensively(C, SS, 2B, CF and Pitching (ie excellent pitching) and have big hitters on the corners (LF,RF,3B,1B). The Jays sort of have this old school approach now and it got us into the playoffs. Elite D at short and second (and third - bonus) and big hitters at RF, 1B, 3B, DH and above average hitting at C and SS to compensate for the lighter bat in left. I guess I'd just like to see a 25 homer bat at least for the 20 million per. But we're going to need a right fielder pretty soon. Jose maybe has one year left out there, maybe two before he becomes a big liability. And would our turf devalue Heyward sooner than later? I see why the pundits are confounded by Heyward - he is an interesting FA. I mean if the guy finds a power stroke and becomes a 35 homer guy (and man he looks sometimes like that is in there) he could become the bargain of the decade. The Yankees seem to have the money to take those gambles.

Olerud I get what you're saying but a couple of points - the 92/93 team wasn't really the same as the 85 team in terms of what was on the field. An Ace pitcher is typically a guy who can throw 9 inning complete game shutouts more often than your average middle of the road pitchers. Conventional wisdom exists because it's these guys, who when faced against league best offense teams can shut those teams out and win 1-0 in game seven. Pretty much the entire reason Jack Morris was in any discussion for hall of fame was based on his game 7 ten inning shutout. Teams like the 2001 Diamondbacks basically won riding Schilling and Johnson and lesser pitchers may very well have lost some of those tight games. The Yankee staff was solid but not great. An Ace not on his game is beatable of course (see Price) but if the guy is on his game and not tipping pitches - you have a good chance the guy is going to pitch 8-9 innings 0-2 runs. This is better than your average middle of the rotation guy who goes 5-7 innings of 3-4 runs. No Guarantees - it's about putting your team in the best position and giving them the best chance to win. I mean the Dodgers from a starting pitcher perspective should win - Kershaw/Greinke was arguably the best 1-2 punch in baseball. I think the Jays approach of going with a balanced pitching staff with depth is reasonable for the regular season - but in the head to heads in the playoffs - you need guys who can go 8ip with 2 runs or less to keep the games close enough to come back and have a chance. Even the mighty Jays offense was handily shut down a number of times - had we had better pitching - we may have won some of the low scoring games. As the Jays players noted - they felt like they too would have beaten the Mets - does anyone truly feel that if we beat KC we'd lose to the METS? I doubt it. We were extremely close - lousy pitching let us down.

I tend to agree - all you need is guys who throw close to quality starts - 6ip with 3 runs (4.50 ERA) allowed and if they do that with a decent pen then they're going to likely win the division. Where the crack lies in the playoffs - but then you just don't know - Estrada was FAR AND AWAY the best starter we had in the playoffs and he was basically Chavez when we got him. David Price the shut down ace was a leaking gas can in the playoffs. KC won with a pretty mediocre starting rotation. I think they ranked something like 11th in the AL which is hardly great. Still conventional wisdom is that for the playoffs you want to have two ace caliber pitchers 1-2 with a solid middle rotation arm and you ride a three man rotation. Stroman will be on an innings limit. Pitching beats hitting in a short series because you tend to play the best teams - which tend to have the bet pitchers and you're not facing their scrubs. Stroman and Estrada you kind of feel good about in a playoff series - but then what? The payroll was said to be 140million+ = all depends on what the plus is. Is the plus another $20million or is it $5k. The Jays have some depth - they could trade some pieces for a pitcher. Notions like Pillar for Seattle's Walker or Cleveland's Carasco have been floated. Or maybe you do some blockbuster with the Reds involving Raisel Iglesias, Chapman, and Votto. I think the Jays will trade some salary to fill a weakness.

But the question is do you think he will get 5 million? No one wanted Navarro at 5 million otherwise someone would have traded something quasi-decent to get him. If a guy like Mathis gets 1.5 million as a back-up then maybe you say Navarro is worth $2.5. I'm not a big Navarro fan or anything - but I don't like fraking around with a team that mostly worked last year. And I'm betting Navarro makes less this year than he made last year. I sure don't want to be trading any more prospects to get a back-up catcher and the signing of Humberto Quintero isn't exactly stellar back-up material. Note: Back-ups need to do one thing well. If Tulo went down and you put in Goins you don't lose much if anything on the defensive side of the game - and with Toronto's juggernaut offense they can withstand having an offensive loss. Now you can argue the same for Martin - I am fine with an all defensive catcher such as a Jeff Mathis type - for the same reason that we have a big offense that can overcome a black hole in the line-up. But I am thinking Navarro is in the under $3 million range and I feel he is more versatile than defensive catchers. If Martin went down - you could put in Navarro (you'd still have to go out and get a defensive back-up but they're easier to get). In the unlikely event that both EE and Colabello went down - and for 8 games you need a dh - do you want the dh to be a Navarro or Mathis with game(s) on the line? I want the options. Maybe I can't get the option to back up Tulo or Donaldson - but we can get it with the catcher - fairly cheap - so why wouldn't you? I think having a bucket of depth allows more choices for the manager and to cover as many positions as possible. That's why I hate all notions of trading our offense. When a team has two big homer hitters and one goes down - it's basically over. They pitch around the other guy who now has no protection. This is why Donaldson was so good - not one intentional walk all year because look who was behind him. Devon Travis goes down - Goins steps in and is perfectly fine - better defensively in fact. EE is always battling injuries - Colabello can fill in admirably. My question I suppose is this - looking at the list of free agent catchers (ick) who else is clearly a better all around catcher - Soto can hit a bit - but he only bats right and his dWar according to Baseball Reference is worse than Navarro. For an extra million bucks a year - I'd just rather go with a guy the Jays already know and like.

I care if Martin breaks his leg the last day of spring training and you need the back-up to play half the season. Do you want it to be a guy who can hit and call a reasonable game but sucks at throwing people out and pitch framing - or do you want the defensive stud who is a complete black hole at the plate. The little decisions are not so little when injuries come around. It's pretty easy to find defensive catchers - I think it is harder to find offensive catchers - thus I'd rather have Navarro because he can also serve as a bench bat and could cover DH should injuries come at first base or dh. And he's not a clubhouse cancer or complete tool like a JP Arencibia - so there is that working for Navarro. Babe Ruth was fat and David Wells was fat - both of whom would be the best position and pitchers on the Jays is they were here in their prime - so being a tubby is irrelevant - look at the stats. Navarro can hit - offered up 2.4 WAR last year and 0.7 War this year in very limited action. And he was a positive on the defensive side of WAR as well. I'll look past his appearance and take the better numbers over a black hole who looks like Brad Pitt every time.

Sanchez seemed to be putting it together as a starter before he got hurt - 5 of his last 6 starts were quality starts and his worst start the entire year was 5 and 2/3 allowing 5 runs - which isn't exactly getting shelled. Hitters seem to have difficulty making good contact on him - he has tons of movement which accounts for the walks - but they're not really hitting the guy either. If he finds the command he could be terrific.

What kind of back-up catcher can you really expect - you either get a hitting catcher with poor defense or you get a defensive catcher who can't hit - if they could DO both they would not be back-up catchers - they would be $15,000,000 catchers. Since Martin is a defensive stud with a good bat - it's not a terrible idea to have a good hitting back-up (and personal Estrada catcher) on the team. 2.5 million a year for 2 years (5 million total maybe up to 6 million) - might not be matched by another team and wouldn't kill us to do. Who are the better options? Jeff Mathis is a defensive wiz but getting older and couldn't hit slow pitch out of the infield. And he's going to run 1.5 million. Sometimes it's just better to keep the devil you know.

I can tell you - as a teacher - there's never enough time off. I moved to Asia where I get less vacation time but, unlike Canada, I get paid for it. I was a bit shocked in Canada actually - two of the supposed "perks" of being a teacher is 1) the teacher pension and 2) summer's off. Unfortunately, in the case of number 1 - teachers pay 100% of the teacher pension which is 10% of your paycheque - gone. It's not a perk if you're paying for basically a glorified mutual fund that you have no say in choosing (eesh). And the summer's off - well you don't get paid. And if you don't have a full time position (most don't) then you may not even have enough to apply for EI - summer jobs are fine when you're a young guy - maybe you can do roofing like my friend - he made more roofing in two months than his entire year teacher salary - but man doing that at 50+ I dunno. And the full time teachers - well the average teacher week is close to 60 hours so it seems somewhat reasonable to add up the 20 hours per week overage and dump that into a holiday. When I worked private sector at 36 hours per week after 20 years or whatever we were getting up to 6-7 weeks "paid" vacation - so giving the teacher working significantly more hours 8 weeks of unpaid vacation seems reasonable. Someone was upset about the seeming high paid and easy job teaching was - when I read that I usually wonder - if it such a great gig why aren't they doing it? You only need an A- average or better in your BA or B.Sc along with heaps of volunteer experience to get in. $50,000 or so in Student loans if you go to a cheapish university and then you basically have to spend ~10 years as a substitute teacher making ~$22,000 a year (and you need a reliable car) and treated like crap for those ten years - how many people remember that great substitute they had? So it's just hold the fort down and hope the kids don't set you on fire when you're not looking. Damn - give me that stupid unpaid vacation so I can spend those weeks eating canned tuna - me and the neighbor cat dined together often - I mean I'd date but when all you can afford is canned tuna and you smell like fish - well it's not exactly Daniel Craig. So anyone out there in Jay's forum land with kids - for PETE SAKE - do NOT let your kids become a teacher - yes there are some old farts making good money sitting on their ass with a pretty fat pension and good salary and oodles of time off - but those days are gone for younger bucks. Do NOT let your kids become a teacher - Big fat waste of time and will likely ensure they wind up in the poor house. Be an accountant/engineer/software geek/plumber/chiropractor/fitness trainer/ - no stress AT ALL - tedious yes - triple the money - and when you ask for a 2% raise and for the company to fix your working environment - it doesn't get debated for months in the press with everyone calling you a lazy over-paid prick. Not like Baseball players eh? $10,000,000 to throw and catch and maybe hit a ball 1/3 of the time (bunch of failures). Paying these bums to make outs 6 times out of every 10 times they come to the plate - up to $30 mil for that level of incompetence. And they get 4-5 months off.

I agree with Krylian - The team is still in win now mode for the next 2-4 years and you kind of have to acquire win now pitchers and that's not 38 year olds off the scrap pile or various projects and lightning in a bottle types. Price/Greinke may be too much - fair enough but Chen and Zimmerman might be good targets as number 2 starters. With Stroman Chen Zimmerman Estrada Dickey And a pen of Osuna, Sanchez, Cecil, Loup, (FA signings = Tony Sipp, Darren O'Day, Carlos Villanueva for long man duty/spot starter) , Hendriks, Hutchison long man mop up/spot starter, etc

This is true especially in short series situations. You could sign 25 first baseman all with a 10 WAR and you will finish in last place. This is still a situational game and you can bring David Price into the critical situation or you can bring Estrada or Wade Davis into the critical situation. Ask Jays fans out of the three who they would rather bring into the critical situation - Price may have the highest WAR but chances are - what we just saw - will dictate that Price would be the last pick of the three given recent history. In most sports you play the hot hand regardless of the long term statistical evidence. These teams have access to people who are doling out numbers galore and teams seem to be spending a lot more focus on relief and closers - so the arm chair fans looking at WAR might be advised to hunt for some numbers on relievers that may explain why some pundits equate Kimbrel to a number 2/3 starter in terms of value to a team (and at 13million of those numbers are true) may be a rather good fiscal decision. Kansas City continually harps on the shut the game down after the 6th inning - WS 7th game loss followed by a WS win - and mediocre rotation and not the greatest offensive team in the world - but an elite pen. Some math wiz is sitting at a cubicle in the Royals system pounding out numbers getting paid a salary and probably knows something none of us know about reliever valuations to overall team wins. Fortunately our pen looks pretty solid - Getting Cecil back and healthy will be really nice. A Darren O'Day would be nice as a set-up guy and might not require a long term contract. Plus he's established success against the AL East. Doesn't walk people, doesn't give up home runs, doesn't give up a lot of hits and is over a k per inning. He'd come in well under the Kimbrel contracts and seems to be as good or very close numbers wise over the last 4-5 seasons. And can probably close in a pinch as well.

Shapiro needs to keep Estrada - keep the offense in tact and when he loses Price - he's going to need to bring in some big names - a Zimmerman and Chris Davis (or equivalents). This team has a chance to sell out or near sell out every game all season. The team barely won the division with those additions - so losing MB, Estrada, Price, Hawkins, Lowe, Navarro, makes this team a much worse team (not a playoff team). If they play this thing CHEAP and don't bring in guys AT LEAST as good as those 6 guys then this is badly managed and by July half the stadium will be empty. They started to win games when Dickey began pitching like an Ace in July, Price was an ace, and Estrada was quietly exceptional. Problem is we have arbitration cases - salaries are going up. But we're past the stage of bringing in third tier reclamation lightning in a bottle BS. This is a major market team - you buy in and you buy an ACE. This isn't Ricciardi and the $50 million crappola.

Yes - spend all the free agent money on pitching - pitching is why we lost. Adding Price was why we won the division - pitching wins - KS had great pitching and shut the best offense in baseball down - had an elite offense go 0-12 in critical situations. Pitching, Pitching and more pitching. If you can add pitching to baseball's best offense - go for it. The bonus is that this free agent class has tons of it. Price has illustrated that he's not exactly a stud in the playoffs - it's the excuse the team can sell to the fans not to pay him. Adding Zimmerman at less cash - and another quality arm settles the rotation. Stroman is on an innings limit remember - Sanchez too if he goes to the rotation - Osuna too if he goes to the rotation. We lose 200 innings in MB. Stroman (innings cap) Dickey - (not getting younger or better) That's the rotation. Hutchison proved last year that he isn't good enough for a MLB starting rotation job - at least not for a contending team (otherwise he'd make the roster over Tepera/Hendriks - so if he isn't better than those two - uggh - you better have a super light pencil to be putting him on the rotation depth chart. Playoff teams arguably need 8 starting pitchers - 3 back-ups that can step in and not be complete embarrassments. Hutch has to be considered the 8th man. With Stroman and Dickey - that's 3 - where are the other 5? The pen also loses Lowe and Hawkins. Articles suggest signing Davis and then trading EE for pitching. I'd rather not do that but it makes sense when looking at the money. Still I don't see why Toronto can't pony up $170 million payroll - this team got tons of fans and tons of viewer numbers - the second half I believe they had the biggest numbers in all of baseball - this is a big market club with deep pockets. It's not $300m LA deep but it's still deep.

For a bit more money that One David Price - the Jays could sign both Jordan Zimmerman and Wei-Yin Chen. Zimmerman is 1 year younger than price and although Zimmerman seems to have people talking about injury concerns that kin dof baffles me since he has pitched more than 195 inning 4 straight years. The pundits keep saying he is in the second tier and won't command the dollars or years. I find it odd but anyway if true I'd rather him and Chen than one Price. Free agents pitchers may not love our park - but these are athletes and they like challenges (the one's worth a damn anyway) and our defense and offense have to be attractive to a pitcher who would like to be able to get a W even when they have an off night. See Hutchison,. Zimmerman Stroman Chen Estrada Dickey (Sanchez, Hutchison, FA swing man,).

I see a number of outlets assuming the Jays payroll is $140 million - but there is no confirmation from any Jay's source to this - it may in fact be $180-$200 million. We have the market for that payroll. The Jays need a left handed power bat. AA played to the team's strength by adding bats in Donaldson and Tulo and added to a pretty decent catcher by adding Martin. People thought all that was odd since what they needed was pitching. A recent article was talking about the Jays skipping price and looking to add Gordon or Heyward and then looking at getting two of the second tier pitchers like Latos/Fister/Lackey/Colon/ etc on shorter deals. If the Jays do in fact have the upper budget - then they could easily add a Davis (who is riskier given his off year and his high K totals). Still you gotta salivate over a line-up that could product 4 guys who could all hit 40 home runs in a year and a lock (barring injury) to hit 30 homers each. With that line-up - we don't need no stinking peeeeeetching.

Some positives from the beginning of last year to the beginning of the upcoming year. 1) Tulo will be manning short all year - no more Reyes defense 2) Martin knows the staff on day 1. No learning curve. 3) Pillar is the main man in Center field on day 1. 4) Stroman is back and in the rotation all year. 5) Revere is manning left field on day 1 and you pretty much know what you get out there. 6) Donaldson, Bautista, Encarnacion all back. The offense is lethal - and with Tulo and Revere in the line-up all year as opposed to the last two months - we should be able (in theory) to score MORE runs than we did last year and have a boost to overall team defense. And considering our defense was pretty darn good and we clubbed the ball - that makes for an exciting team offensively. The trick now is to add to the rotation. But here's the thing Estrada was by far our best starting pitcher in the playoffs. Rather than go with the big name of Price - maybe it's better to land 2 Estrada type of pitchers for the same money? I don't know. We have a good regular season team but I always look at the Diamondbacks when they had Schilling and Johnson. I always think when you have a killer 1-2-3 then when you do get to the playoffs you are better suited to win. Then again the Dodgers had Greinke and Kershaw and it didn't work out. Still if we had Greinke, Price, Stroman and Estrada I'd be in a FAP induced coma. 5 year/$160 million opening offers to both of them. Let's at least make it bloody expensive for other teams to outbid us. Rogers has billions - what the hell - It's only money.

"FIP really blows it on Estrada. His 4.40 FIP gives him absolutely no credit for his miniscule liner rate and all of those “donut-hole” fly balls. In his particular case, ERA much more actually portrays Estrada’s true talent."

I think we have to not get too obsessed with win the world series or we're terrible. Fact 1: at the start of the season no one expected this team to make the playoffs. Fact 2: Texas was one of if not the hottest team post all-star break - with a bunch of great bats in their line-up when healthy - they can hit home runs. Fact 3: Short Series - anything can happen - doesn't matter how great a team you have in the regular season. Fact 4: You can't expect Jays hitters to hit as well against a first place team's 1-2 starters as they hit against middling to lat place teams 3-4-5 starters. That Jays crush bad pitchers or good pitchers having off nights but games tend to be close...and then anything can happen. Fact 5 - The Rangers won two games in a row against a very good team --- The Jays have the talent to be able to win 3 in a row against a good team as well. It's not Price's fault or Martin's or whoever. Sometimes you just get beat - the other guy played better than you that particular night. I don't get why everyone blames the Jays for losing rather than giving credit to the Rangers for playing really well. If the Jays lose - they'll work to address the fixes needed for next year - new boss Shapiro coming in and what appears to be more money coming as well.

While it is an individual game ... Character comes in when the dead pull homer hitter tries to take the outside pitch and hit a ground ball to second to score the run to win the game...rather than trying to pad his OPS. Its the fielder who runs into tha wall for his pitcher. When you have a good clubhouse they all do that all the time. Also adds confidence to your pitchers who don't feel they have to strike everyone out to win. You get mentally strong players...Martin and you get professional pitchers...MB and RA and Price and you get a bunch of talent. AA gave up a ton of minor league talent...but at least we are seeing on field talent as a result.

Reyes is untradeable - Vernon Wells 2.0 so may as well stop whining and hope he can still offer something with the bat and steal some bases - he had a bad ankle injury - that hurt his D and the turf didn't help. He's solid enough just being paid more than double the money you'd like to be paying him. On the other hand we're paying EE and Bautista $7-10 million less than they are worth so overall it's not too terrible. The Yankees won WS titles with Jeter who was terrible on defense so Reyes can stay where he is. Pitching wins - fix that problem and most of the the other problems can be ignored. You can win a WS with Reyes as your shortstop - the Jays won with Manny Lee for heaven sake. The team has the position players and the defense and the line-up to win. We have a murderer's row in right handed power - there is speed. From offensive and defensive standpoint this team should be one of the 5 or so best in baseball - for Pete Sake AA get some pitching! Phil Coke - ok - an upgrade to Francis. He's trying.

Give the hall credit for looking past Bert's win loss numbers - the year he won 20 he lost 17. I wonder what his record would have been like if he had pitched for Detroit or some of the other better dynasty teams what his numbers would have looked like. He'd have been a perennial 20 game winner with a half dozen Cy Youngs and first ballot 100% of the vote HOF pitcher.

No. He doesn't seem to be good enough on the new stats front and he's certainly not good enough for the old timers on wins for a career or wins per season - he's never won 20 and he's never won the CY Young award - top ranking was 5th in voting - had that year been a year he had emulated ten straight years that might be something else. Indeed, I would probably sooner vote for Jamie Moyer over Mark Beurhle - Moyer won 20 and 21 and from 1997-2003 had a pretty awesome run. He won 269 games vs 204 for MB and was in the CY Young running three times with a 4,5 and 6 place vote. The Cy Young has a number of factors from what I can see - you have to have career numbers - you have to be considered elite when you pitched - so if you were the best pitcher for 5 years - even if the numbers are less pretty than another 5 year stretch - the fact that you were best at the time you pitched overrides just the pure numbers. Which may explain why some guys who get in have lesser numbers than other guys who didn't make it. Morris is always in the conversation but it would be really hard to say that Morris was a better pitcher at the time over Dave Steib who no one talks about - but really Steib was arguably the better pitcher out of the two. Moyer's best 10 year run would probably be as good as MB's best ten year run. Ultimately it boils down to this - the hall of fame should be about the best pitchers getting in and the best pitchers are Aces - can you really say that either MB or Moyer are ace pitchers? I think the answer to that is no - and as such no they are not HOF material. Sandy Koufax managed to get into the hall of fame for essentially throwing 6 elite seasons in a 12 year career with 169 wins. BUT he was widely regarded to be utterly sick for those 6 seasons. Still longevity and the hall don't seem to count as much as being unhitable for the time you actually pitch.

Dickey throws perfect game in game 7 of the world series in a 1-0 win where RA hits a solo shot in the 9th. Twisted Logic now loves Donkeys - book it.