Red Sox (Suarez) vs Blue Jays (Cease): 4/27/26, 7:07pm

[Spanky__99]

3 hours ago, RA Whiffleball said:

Suarez gave Cease and the Jays an old fashioned lesson on how to pitch.

Thought you liked Velo?

[Spanky__99]

2 hours ago, RA Whiffleball said:

Just show him a video of what the other guy was doing - it's called throwing strikes.

 

It happens man, c'mon...

[RA Whiffleball]

56 minutes ago, Spanky__99 said:

It happens man, c'mon...

If he wants to go to the elite level, of which he is more than capable, he has to throw strikes.

That game was a microcosm of his career. 

[RA Whiffleball]

1 hour ago, Spanky__99 said:

Thought you liked Velo?

What position does he play?

[RA Whiffleball]

4 hours ago, Spanky__99 said:

You just learned about this now? C'mon bro...

(Better not tell him about Ponce...)

[G-Snarls]

It's Yesavage day 

[jaysblue]

9 hours ago, Jays24 said:

Vlad is 2nd in the AL in average and yet pissing off the fanbase because we have no slug around him.  Even when we get healthy, the Jays gotta trade for at least 1 massive bat.  

They could use another power bat somewhere. Okamoto looks like he's turning into that guy which is nice, and Barger is expected back soon, but another legit bat would go a long way and lengthen the lineup. Not sure who will be available at the deadline though. 

[jaysblue]

4 hours ago, Spanky__99 said:

It happens man, c'mon...

For $210M, it just has to happen less often than not though 😂

I love Cease and I’m a huge fan. He kind of reminds me of when the Jays signed A.J. Burnett in 2005 - a big upside arm with a ton of potential to unlock. The difference is that Burnett was injury-prone at the time, whereas Cease has been durable throughout his career, which is already a major advantage. If Cease can lower the walk rate and work deeper into games, he could absolutely turn into a true No. 1 at the top of a rotation.
 

[RA Whiffleball]

4 hours ago, jaysblue said:

They could use another power bat somewhere. Okamoto looks like he's turning into that guy which is nice, and Barger is expected back soon, but another legit bat would go a long way and lengthen the lineup. Not sure who will be available at the deadline though. 

The injuries have piled up and are unfortunate, but we might be out of it by the deadline - lose tonight and we go bottom of the division.

[RA Whiffleball]

Our rotation is 27th in innings pitched and 22nd in ERA.

[John_Havok]

1 minute ago, RA Whiffleball said:

Our rotation is 27th in innings pitched and 22nd in ERA.

Imagine that when only 2 of the starting 5 started the season on the roster. Shocking. 

[Eat My Shatkins]

15 minutes ago, John_Havok said:

Imagine that when only 2 of the starting 5 started the season on the roster. Shocking. 

It's Atkins fault. He should have signed 3 more MLB starters and went into the season with 12. What kind of idiot doesn't start his team off with 12+ MLB starters?

[Eat My Shatkins]

No game thread today?

What are we expecting from Trey today? 14 hits, 7 walks and 10 earned in 12 IP in the minors. Only 2-4 IP per outing. He did K 16 though. Just chalking those numbers up to him fine tuning s*** and not caring about the stat line so much?

[RA Whiffleball]

34 minutes ago, Eat My Shatkins said:

It's Atkins fault. He should have signed 3 more MLB starters and went into the season with 12. What kind of idiot doesn't start his team off with 12+ MLB starters?

Funny how I just threw a stat out there, which helps to explain our slow start, and the Atkins Apologists immediately took it to be a criticism of the GM, who was not even mentioned in the post.

There's that word again, trigger... 

[Orgfiller]

29 minutes ago, Eat My Shatkins said:

No game thread today?

What are we expecting from Trey today? 14 hits, 7 walks and 10 earned in 12 IP in the minors. Only 2-4 IP per outing. He did K 16 though. Just chalking those numbers up to him fine tuning s*** and not caring about the stat line so much?

I'm going to assume his command is still rusty coming back, so wouldn't be surprised to see a few walks and maybe a mistake that is hammered. If the stuff is good though, he'll be able to work himself out of trouble. He probably goes 4 for 65-75 pitches (no idea how built up he is) and keeps us in the game, if only the offense could not repeat last night's effort.

[RA Whiffleball]

31 minutes ago, Eat My Shatkins said:

No game thread today?

What are we expecting from Trey today? 14 hits, 7 walks and 10 earned in 12 IP in the minors. Only 2-4 IP per outing. He did K 16 though. Just chalking those numbers up to him fine tuning s*** and not caring about the stat line so much?

It's more desperation than anything else. If we were 16-12, Sherzer was halfway decent, and we didn't have so many injuries, I think he gets at least one more minor league outing. Hopefully, he has a good outing because we need it.

But seeing as the Sox and now the Phils have canned their managers, after their expensively assembled teams have s*** the bed, the pressure is starting to mount on JS - you can see the stress on his face whenever the Sportsnet cameras pan to his face in the dugout. 

[Eat My Shatkins]

3 minutes ago, RA Whiffleball said:

It's more desperation than anything else. If we were 16-12, Sherzer was halfway decent, and we didn't have so many injuries, I think he gets at least one more minor league outing. Hopefully, he has a good outing because we need it.

But seeing as the Sox and now the Phils have canned their managers, after their expensively assembled teams have s*** the bed, the pressure is starting to mount on JS - you can see the stress on his face whenever the Sportsnet cameras pan to his face in the dugout. 

The Phillies and Red Sox didn't play in game 7 of the World Series just months ago, and neither team has $100+ million worth of payroll on the IL since basically day one of the season. You really think JS is on the hot seat? Very unlikely.

[mphenhef]

1 hour ago, John_Havok said:

Imagine that when only 2 of the starting 5 started the season on the roster. Shocking. 

The concern being the Yankees are also down two very good starters who are set to return soon and have still managed to come out hot.  I still say the bats have been the far bigger concern in the early going.  The Jays have scored the least runs in the AL and only the Giants, Mets and Phillies have scored less.  It's not like the guys who got hurt were lighting it up before they got hurt either.

[RA Whiffleball]

9 minutes ago, Eat My Shatkins said:

The Phillies and Red Sox didn't play in game 7 of the World Series just months ago, and neither team has $100+ million worth of payroll on the IL since basically day one of the season. You really think JS is on the hot seat? Very unlikely.

I didn't see Alex Cora getting the sack this early, so anything is possible.

The expectations around the ball club are changing - Ed Rogers did not sink all that money into the team and the facilities to see us at the bottom of the league. He wants us to get back that baseball heritage we once had. 

Boston and Philly have that baseball heritage, and that is why they have acted. 

 

 

[mphenhef]

19 minutes ago, Eat My Shatkins said:

The Phillies and Red Sox didn't play in game 7 of the World Series just months ago, and neither team has $100+ million worth of payroll on the IL since basically day one of the season. You really think JS is on the hot seat? Very unlikely.

I would pay good money to be a fly on the wall the first time Mattingly tries to tell Schwarber he is better off hitting the ball the other way and on the ground.

[mphenhef]

Just now, RA Whiffleball said:

I didn't see Alex Cora getting the sack this early, so anything is possible.

The expectations around the ball club are changing - Ed Rogers did not sink all that money into the team and the facilities to see us at the bottom of the league. He wants us to get back that baseball heritage we once had. 

Boston and Philly have that baseball heritage, and that is why they have acted. 

 

 

The fact Cora and 6 coaches all went at the same time is telling that something more than just the slow start was an issue,  In Philly, Preston probably jumped the gun at the chance to get his dad in the manager's role and used Cora's firing to justify it.

[mphenhef]

1 hour ago, RA Whiffleball said:

Our rotation is 27th in innings pitched and 22nd in ERA.

The team is 26th in OBP, 24th in OPS and 27th in runs scored.

[Terminator]

30 minutes ago, RA Whiffleball said:

But seeing as the Sox and now the Phils have canned their managers, after their expensively assembled teams have s*** the bed, the pressure is starting to mount on JS - you can see the stress on his face whenever the Sportsnet cameras pan to his face in the dugout. 

Brock aka the boss wants us to be nice to new users so I am going to do my best.

The team was in the same spot last year only they didn't have any injuries to blame and they didn't fire him so I can't see how they would do so now fresh off a WS appearance.

Add in the fact that he just signed a contract extension and it would take a massive losing streak to do so, and the losing streak would probably have to happen once we get relatively healthy as well. 

[RA Whiffleball]

26 minutes ago, Terminator said:

Brock aka the boss wants us to be nice to new users so I am going to do my best.

The team was in the same spot last year only they didn't have any injuries to blame and they didn't fire him so I can't see how they would do so now fresh off a WS appearance.

Add in the fact that he just signed a contract extension and it would take a massive losing streak to do so, and the losing streak would probably have to happen once we get relatively healthy as well. 

Wow, thank you for being nice. That is very big of you. 

From my embryonic exchanges on these forums, there seems to be an assumption that because someone is new, that means they don't know what they're talking about.

What I see however is that if anyone dares have a dissenting view about the ball club, or is critical of any aspect of it, they are immediately accused of having mental or personality disorders or ignorance.

If you read my post, I was never advocating that the man get the sack, but that in light of what has happened elsewhere, there has to be some pressure.

  

[Olerud363.354]

3 hours ago, Eat My Shatkins said:

No game thread today?

What are we expecting from Trey today? 14 hits, 7 walks and 10 earned in 12 IP in the minors. Only 2-4 IP per outing. He did K 16 though. Just chalking those numbers up to him fine tuning s*** and not caring about the stat line so much?

Cynic in me thinks he's injured still and won't pitch well or last long in the Majors.  Schneider was kind of luke warm on a couple of comments to the media "we want to make sure he's OK", "He assures me he's feeling fine", "Want to make sure when he's up, he's up to stay". 

Kind of reading between the lines they are not convinced he is healthy.  Dominates Yankees and Dodgers in the most pressure packed games possible against elite lineups... but gets hammered in St. Lucy and Scranton (or wherever it was).   Yeah I know rehap assignment, but if a guy is healthy these are usually a breeze...  6 innings, 2 hits,  maybe a homer, 2 walks  7 ks...  struggles going 3 innings against minor hitters do not predict good things tonight...

Hopefully I am full of s***. 

[Brownie19]

20 minutes ago, Olerud363.354 said:

Cynic in me thinks he's injured still and won't pitch well or last long in the Majors.  Schneider was kind of luke warm on a couple of comments to the media "we want to make sure he's OK", "He assures me he's feeling fine", "Want to make sure when he's up, he's up to stay". 

Kind of reading between the lines they are not convinced he is healthy.  Dominates Yankees and Dodgers in the most pressure packed games possible against elite lineups... but gets hammered in St. Lucy and Scranton (or wherever it was).   Yeah I know rehap assignment, but if a guy is healthy these are usually a breeze...  6 innings, 2 hits,  maybe a homer, 2 walks  7 ks...  struggles going 3 innings against minor hitters do not predict good things tonight...

Hopefully I am full of s***. 

Yeah I agree.  I think there's a fairly high probability that Yesavage never becomes much of anything.  Of course this isn't based on anything - just feels the way things have gone for Jays over the past 5 years.

[Terminator]

I see we've reached that time of the year where the normally positive Brownie engages in full blown cynicism lol

The Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde of Jays Centre 😁

[jaysblue]

5 hours ago, John_Havok said:

Imagine that when only 2 of the starting 5 started the season on the roster. Shocking. 

How about the Braves? 

So excuses apply to the Jays, but if Atlanta started off bad even with all those injuries I'm sure most on here would be laughing at their front office and blaming AA. A lot were even before the season started. 

[jaysblue]

4 hours ago, RA Whiffleball said:

Funny how I just threw a stat out there, which helps to explain our slow start, and the Atkins Apologists immediately took it to be a criticism of the GM, who was not even mentioned in the post.

There's that word again, trigger... 

I’m not criticizing Atkins at all for what’s happened. I actually think he did a great job this offseason strengthening the club, especially on the pitching side. Sure, it would’ve been nice to add another big bat to help offset the loss of Bo, but that would’ve just been the icing on what was already a very strong offseason.

Injuries have definitely played a role, but we’ve also seen other teams battle through injuries early in the season. They can’t be the only excuse. The players still need to step up and perform better, plain and simple. The Jays have also let some winnable games slip away, which hasn’t helped.

Even with the slow start, though, they’re still in it and at least haven’t looked as bad as teams like the Mets or Phillies. The key now is just surviving these tougher stretches and staying close to .500. Once they start getting healthier, hopefully they can go on a run in May and work their way back into the picture.
 

[jaysblue]

5 hours ago, Eat My Shatkins said:

It's Atkins fault. He should have signed 3 more MLB starters and went into the season with 12. What kind of idiot doesn't start his team off with 12+ MLB starters?

Weren’t you guys laughing at the Braves and at AA before the season started, once their pitching injuries started piling up and they were heading into the year with only two of their five starters?

So how are the Braves doing now?

I’m not even comparing AA to Atkins, because I like both. But the homerism and hypocrisy here are pretty astounding.