Offseason Roster Thread 2025-26

[glory]

Feels like they will definitely end up moving Berrios. Atkins recently had an opportunity to cover for Berrios' absence during the playoff run and Ross basically said "yeah he was unhappy with not making the roster". Atkins is the master of using a lot of words while simultaneously saying nothing at all, so the fact that he was so blunt about that might mean something (or nothing at all). I guess we will see. I kinda like the idea of having 6 SP's and Lauer is a major regression candidate to me so replacing Berrios with even an optionable depth SP would be ideal. 

[max silver]

3 minutes ago, Eat My Shatkins said:

Ugh. Giving away our gold glove calibre starting short stop just because of money is not a great idea at all. If Giminez can get to 95 wRC+ hes probably worth 3-4 fWAR.

Berrios, who is currently slated as the 6th starter, yes move him if you can. Not the guy slated to be the anchor of the infield defense.

 

Gimenez had expected stats that point to a 95-100 wRC+ by simply enjoying better luck on batted balls in play.

[Jonn]

3 minutes ago, glory said:

Feels like they will definitely end up moving Berrios. Atkins recently had an opportunity to cover for Berrios' absence during the playoff run and Ross basically said "yeah he was unhappy with not making the roster". Atkins is the master of using a lot of words while simultaneously saying nothing at all, so the fact that he was so blunt about that might mean something (or nothing at all). I guess we will see. I kinda like the idea of having 6 SP's and Lauer is a major regression candidate to me so replacing Berrios with even an optionable depth SP would be ideal. 

It will be easier to move him once all the other free agent pitchers sign and whoever missed out will look at the trade market and look at getting a guy like Berrios on a discount. I would imagine the Jays wouldn't be looking for much of a return on him just to see who will eat the most of his contract. If he really just decided to leave the team during the World Series thats not going to reflect well on his teammates in the long term. Getting him out before Spring starts is the most ideal circumstance.

[The_DH]

Here's a question: would you swap Berrios to San Diego for Machado and Mason?  Maybe throw a few others into the mix.

[Jonn]

14 minutes ago, saskjayfan said:

Man it feels like we need to clear some salary.  I could see a Berrios trade any day. They are likely haggling over the dollar amount we have to pay down with a couple teams.  I'd give Giminez away too if I could. 

I would happily walk away from Giminez and just put Ernie at SS.

[Eat My Shatkins]

The Jays currently have 7 SPs on the roster if you count Lauer, so they can afford to drop Berrios without replacing him. They've also still got Tiedemann, Francis, Estrada and Macko on the 40 man.

And would anybody be surprised if the Jays traded Berrios and then the same day announced they'd signed mad Max to a one year 8 million dollar deal? 

[Eat My Shatkins]

3 minutes ago, max silver said:

Gimenez had expected stats that point to a 95-100 wRC+ by simply enjoying better luck on batted balls in play.

Exactly.

[jmomcc]

I would trade berrios and lauer and sign max to that contract happily. 

Also, Gimenez is actually younger than i thought. For some reason i thought he was like 29. Yea that contract is fine as he shouldn't regress too much defensively by the time it finishes. 

[max silver]

16 minutes ago, Jonn said:

It will be easier to move him once all the other free agent pitchers sign and whoever missed out will look at the trade market and look at getting a guy like Berrios on a discount. I would imagine the Jays wouldn't be looking for much of a return on him just to see who will eat the most of his contract. If he really just decided to leave the team during the World Series thats not going to reflect well on his teammates in the long term. Getting him out before Spring starts is the most ideal circumstance.

I suspect that Berrios has likely built up enough good will with his teammates that the world series disappearing act would be pretty easily forgiven. 

[Jays24]

10 minutes ago, jmomcc said:

I would trade berrios and lauer and sign max to that contract happily. 

Also, Gimenez is actually younger than i thought. For some reason i thought he was like 29. Yea that contract is fine as he shouldn't regress too much defensively by the time it finishes. 

His contract mainly sucks because we have Clement who is pretty much a better super cheap version of him. 

Id have no issues with play Barger at 3B, Clement at SS and Bo at 2B in the event we land both Tucker/Bo.  Don't see that happening and id just be happy to get Bo back.  

[jmomcc]

8 minutes ago, Jays24 said:

His contract mainly sucks because we have Clement who is pretty much a better super cheap version of him. 

Id have no issues with play Barger at 3B, Clement at SS and Bo at 2B in the event we land both Tucker/Bo.  Don't see that happening and id just be happy to get Bo back.  

I'd say the main problem with paying for defense is mainly 

- defense is more improvable by coaching and positioning, so less valuable

- it regresses more quickly than hitting. You can maintain hitting value longer than defense so its more available in free agency as players are 29-31

So,'its generally something you need to develop yourself in house. But we did trade for him young enough that he shouldn't regress much. So, as a big market team its fine.

He would not be fine for someone like tampa or cleveland though. The only guys they can pay are guys who rake and have defensive value. So, finding a trade for him would be tough. I'd rather keep him. 

[Jays24]

2 minutes ago, jmomcc said:

I'd say the main problem with paying for defense is mainly 

- defense is more improvable by coaching and positioning, so less valuable

- it regresses more quickly than hitting. You can maintain hitting value longer than defense so its more available in free agency as players are 29-31

So,'its generally something you need to develop yourself in house. But we did trade for him young enough that he shouldn't regress much. So, as a big market team its fine.

He would not be fine for someone like tampa or cleveland though. The only guys they can pay are guys who rake and have defensive value. So, finding a trade for him would be tough. I'd rather keep him. 

Ya its no issue with the way we're acting payroll wise.  He also had several big moments in the playoffs.  Lets just hope Popkins can fix his offense the way he did with Varsho.  

[Bob_Gratton]

35 minutes ago, saskjayfan said:

Man it feels like we need to clear some salary.  I could see a Berrios trade any day. They are likely haggling over the dollar amount we have to pay down with a couple teams.  I'd give Giminez away too if I could. 

I am hesitent to trade Gimenez, better trade Santander, Garcia and Berrios instead. But maybe this won't happen before spring training camp, coz potential suitors will want to see if they are healthy.

[Bob_Gratton]

32 minutes ago, Eat My Shatkins said:

The Jays currently have 7 SPs on the roster if you count Lauer, so they can afford to drop Berrios without replacing him. They've also still got Tiedemann, Francis, Estrada and Macko on the 40 man.

And would anybody be surprised if the Jays traded Berrios and then the same day announced they'd signed mad Max to a one year 8 million dollar deal? 

Francis, Macko and Estrada can  easily be dfa, they are no mlb caliber, at less for a team like the blue jays. For people worried that we have 7SP, Bieber have great chance return on injury list in 2026, Ponce remain a gambling, Berrios will be traded, so in fact we can add Imai.

[jmomcc]

So, they have to dfa someone to accomodate rogers. Any predictions?

[Eat My Shatkins]

9 minutes ago, Bob_Gratton said:

Francis, Macko and Estrada can  easily be dfa, they are no mlb caliber, at less for a team like the blue jays. For people worried that we have 7SP, Bieber have great chance return on injury list in 2026, Ponce remain a gambling, Berrios will be traded, so in fact we can add Imai.

They are #9 #10 and #11 on the Jays SP depth chart right now. That is just fine 

[Spanky__99]

2 hours ago, Eat My Shatkins said:

Jays with 41 guys on the 40 man after adding Rogers and Lee yesterday? Who are the going to DFA to clear a spot?

We're at 40, Bruihl will be the first to go next I'd think.

 

[Spanky__99]

4 hours ago, Omar said:

Taylor Rogers contract apparently has a vesting option that could up the deal to $48M total value.  

The Jays are sure pushing their chips to the center of the table. Rumour has it that Taylor Rogers was told if he signed with the Jays,  Atkins promised to name the stadium after him too. Boss moves all around. 

 

2 hours ago, jaysblue said:

I guarantee you we will see a Rogers commercial/ad during the season that features Taylor. 

We signed his brother too? 😜

[Perfect Game]

1 hour ago, Eat My Shatkins said:

The Jays currently have 7 SPs on the roster if you count Lauer, so they can afford to drop Berrios without replacing him. They've also still got Tiedemann, Francis, Estrada and Macko on the 40 man.

And would anybody be surprised if the Jays traded Berrios and then the same day announced they'd signed mad Max to a one year 8 million dollar deal? 

Trade Berrios, sign Imai.

[JaysForever]

Even if they sign both Tucker and Bo, I don't see them moving other starting players just to cut payroll without clear upgrades.

C - Kirk

1B - Vladdy

2B - Bo

SS - Gimenez

3B - Clement

LF - Tucker

CF - Varsho

RF - Barger

DH - Springer

Bench - Heineman, Schneider, Santander, Straw, Lukes

 

One of the bench options on that list goes before anyone in the starting lineup. Probably Santander? If anyone from the starting lineup goes, it is probably Varsho. But I doubt that.

[Jays24]

19 minutes ago, JaysForever said:

Even if they sign both Tucker and Bo, I don't see them moving other starting players just to cut payroll without clear upgrades.

C - Kirk

1B - Vladdy

2B - Bo

SS - Gimenez

3B - Clement

LF - Tucker

CF - Varsho

RF - Barger

DH - Springer

Bench - Heineman, Schneider, Santander, Straw, Lukes

 

One of the bench options on that list goes before anyone in the starting lineup. Probably Santander? If anyone from the starting lineup goes, it is probably Varsho. But I doubt that.

Really doubt we get both Tucker/Bo.  I can see us making a play next year for an OFer when Springer expires and Santandar can become a full time DH.  I expect us to sign Varsho to an extension, we gave up a lot to bring him here.  

[Laika]

Scenarios where they cut or trade Berrios or Santander are too fantastical.

At best you can hope for a bad contract swap. Very unlikely to find that fit.

If they need to move MLB players because of all the additions, it's much more likely they trade someone the fans like a bit such as Lauer or Lukes or Schneider, and get some value back 

[JaysForever]

2 minutes ago, Jays24 said:

Really doubt we get both Tucker/Bo.  I can see us making a play next year for an OFer when Springer expires and Santandar can become a full time DH.  I expect us to sign Varsho to an extension, we gave up a lot to bring him here.  

What I am saying is that even in the extreme situation wheren you get both, it is unlikely they will just start unloading other players.

 

The same can't be said for Berrios.

[JaysForever]

1 minute ago, Laika said:

Scenarios where they cut or trade Berrios or Santander are too fantastical.

At best you can hope for a bad contract swap. Very unlikely to find that fit.

If they need to move MLB players because of all the additions, it's much more likely they trade someone the fans like a bit such as Lauer or Lukes or Schneider, and get some value back 

I don't see many good fits on a bad contract swap. I suspect Berrios could be here to start the year.

[Jays24]

4 minutes ago, JaysForever said:

What I am saying is that even in the extreme situation wheren you get both, it is unlikely they will just start unloading other players.

 

The same can't be said for Berrios.

I think it'd be dumb/shortsighted getting rid of players for cents on the dollar who have a track record of being good (Berrios/Santandar). 

Berrios being traded only makes sense if him leaving the team in the World Series is too hard of a repatch job in the clubhouse.  I actually expect us to start next year with a 6 man rotation where Bieber gets eased in and then we let performance/health determine who remains in the 5 man. 

[Spanky__99]

3 hours ago, The_DH said:

Here's a question: would you swap Berrios to San Diego for Machado and Mason?  Maybe throw a few others into the mix.

What? lol

 

[Spanky__99]

2 hours ago, max silver said:

I suspect that Berrios has likely built up enough good will with his teammates that the world series disappearing act would be pretty easily forgiven. 

It was a personal family matter per Boss Atkins. He was cheering and celebrating with the boys all PS to that point, nothing to see here.

[Spanky__99]

2 hours ago, jmomcc said:

So, they have to dfa someone to accomodate rogers. Any predictions?

No they're at 40 now, the next cut would have to be Bruihl though.

[Spanky__99]

1 hour ago, Laika said:

Scenarios where they cut or trade Berrios or Santander are too fantastical.

At best you can hope for a bad contract swap. Very unlikely to find that fit.

If they need to move MLB players because of all the additions, it's much more likely they trade someone the fans like a bit such as Lauer or Lukes or Schneider, and get some value back 

Nah, it's a video game bro... 😅

[saskjayfan]

The Jays should sign Murakami.  I've talked myself into it.