Blue Jays-Dodgers World Series Game 3 Thread: Max Scherzer vs. Tyler Glasnow

[ComeTogether]

 

 

[Laika]

Inexplicable and unforgiveable and annoyingly incongruent to pitch to Ohtani with Seranthony while up 5-4 and then just walk him every other time. Like, what was the plan? lol. I guess they thought Dominguez had the stuff to get him out but they did not have that faith in every subsequent pitcher? 

I don't mind most of the other position player substitutions - you never manage a game expecting it to never end - but the Straw for Barger one was too cute and too much. Toronto only had a 57% win probability after Barger reached on that error, so it was insane to remove one of your best hitters in a tie game. And he's not a bad runner! Different situation if it was someone very slow on the bases. Also, Straw is not a game changing base stealer. 

I think you can also criticize Kirk getting subbed out because it felt like the game might get silly right then and that substitution really made the lineup putrid, but in that moment I did understand the thought and it paid off mildly since Heineman running the bases kept the inning alive. Also, you have a fat guy going into the 13th inning as a catcher so attrition and fatigue are relevant considerations. Heineman did work a walk (well, rightfully he did) in his final PA before the whiff and he did hit a ball well to CF (94 mph) in his first PA so it's not like he had brutal PAs. 

Nathan Lukes swung at ball 4 three times against Kershaw, and it would have been a run. But how can you blame him when the ump was calling the game as he was? 

There probably is no silver lining since Springer is dead and both bullpens are wrecked now, but I guess if you want to grasp at straws, Ohtani just played two games in one night and now has to pitch today. Maybe he will suck? That's all I have. 

I want to die

[Laika]

Okay, second silver lining. This team has a different kind of energy when they are behind. 

They fell behind Seattle 2-0 and turned into a different team.

They just lost a crippling game. Most lesser teams would fold. This is the ultimate test of the 2025 Toronto Blue Jays. Maybe this is the ultimate motivation. 

[Laika]

52 minutes ago, SeranthonySantander said:

Springer day to day as of now.  You know he is going to try to play, but if they don't sub him off the roster this afternoon you have to think he is good for the Toronto games. 

From how he was walking, the dude has a serious oblique strain. I am guessing they will just take the full day to do tests and stuff.

Maybe they keep him on the roster just out of some remote hope that he can pinch hit in a game 6 or 7? It's not like replacing him with Loperfido does the Jays much good. 

[ComeTogether]

7 minutes ago, Laika said:

Inexplicable and unforgiveable and annoyingly incongruent to pitch to Ohtani with Seranthony while up 5-4 and then just walk him every other time. Like, what was the plan? lol. I guess they thought Dominguez had the stuff to get him out but they did not have that faith in every subsequent pitcher? 

I don't mind most of the other position player substitutions - you never manage a game expecting it to never end - but the Straw for Barger one was too cute and too much. Toronto only had a 57% win probability after Barger reached on that error, so it was insane to remove one of your best hitters in a tie game. And he's not a bad runner! Different situation if it was someone very slow on the bases. Also, Straw is not a game changing base stealer. 

I think you can also criticize Kirk getting subbed out because it felt like the game might get silly right then and that substitution really made the lineup putrid, but in that moment I did understand the thought and it paid off mildly since Heineman running the bases kept the inning alive. Also, you have a fat guy going into the 13th inning as a catcher so attrition and fatigue are relevant considerations. Heineman did work a walk (well, rightfully he did) in his final PA before the whiff and he did hit a ball well to CF (94 mph) in his first PA so it's not like he had brutal PAs. 

Nathan Lukes swung at ball 4 three times against Kershaw, and it would have been a run. But how can you blame him when the ump was calling the game as he was? 

There probably is no silver lining since Springer is dead and both bullpens are wrecked now, but I guess if you want to grasp at straws, Ohtani just played two games in one night and now has to pitch today. Maybe he will suck? That's all I have. 

I want to die

Totally sucks.  But it's just a game. 

Let's see what they have left in the tank. 

At this point, if they can extend the series to Toronto, I consider that a win.  Maybe some players will have enough time to heal up enough to play. 

[Laika]

Bo hitting directly behind Vlad is indeed very stupid if you are going to sub him out for IKF every game. 

Should be 5th, maybe leadoff now actually if Springer is dead (Springer is dead) 

[Olerud363.354]

3 minutes ago, Laika said:

Ohtani just played two games in one night and now has to pitch today. Maybe he will suck?

6-1 Dodgers 7th

Clement - first pitch soft fly to right filed

IKF - strike-out swinging

Giminez -  strike out swinging

Joe Davis - On base 9 times last night.   12 ks today.  AND on base 3 more times.  That is 12 ks 12 on base in the last 2 games.

John Smoltz - the guy is just not human.  

Dodgers fans dancing, laughing, pure joy.  Blue Jays Message Board Sad.  Blue Jays fans sad. 

Dodgers fans paid $1050 USD for upper deck but worth it.  $1050 USD dollars to experience pure Joy

Blue Jays Message Board - some paid $2300 Canadian to see Jonahs Brothers from 500 level and experience sadness (unless lucky enough to choose game 1 instead). 

Blue Jays happy - Snell won't screw up again and realize that no game 6 so get their $2300 back.  So relieved.  

[Laika]

Just now, Olerud363.354 said:

6-1 Dodgers 7th

Clement - first pitch soft fly to right filed

IKF - strike-out swinging

Giminez -  strike out swinging

Joe Davis - On base 9 times last night.   12 ks today.  AND on base 3 more times.  That is 12 ks 12 on base in the last 2 games.

John Smoltz - the guy is just not human.  

Dodgers fans dancing, laughing, pure joy.  Blue Jays Message Board Sad.  Blue Jays fans sad. 

Dodgers fans paid $1050 USD for upper deck but worth it.  $1050 USD dollars to experience pure Joy

Blue Jays Message Board - some paid $2300 Canadian to see Jonahs Brothers from 500 level and experience sadness (unless lucky enough to choose game 1 instead). 

Blue Jays happy - Snell won't screw up again and realize that no game 6 so get their $2300 back.  So relieved.  

shut up 

[BTS]

Wegner actually wasn't bad at all, especially for an 18-inning game

 

 

[harvey16]

Hypothetical question. Had the Jays sustained another injury after they completely exhausted their entire 26 man roster, would they have had to forfeit the game if the player couldn't continue or would they be allowed to play a man down in the field and take an automatic out when it would be their turn to bat?

[Olerud363.354]

2 minutes ago, Laika said:

shut up 

At some point you just have to accept that the world has a sense of humor.   Jays try to sign Ohtani... think they have him... no Dodgers.  Jays try to sign Sasaki and get cute with international money thing end up with Straw.  No Sasaki.

Jays still somehow on top of World on October 24th.  Chant 'We don't need you'. to Ohtani  Maybe they did need him.   Sasaki vs Straw dream matchup but goes Sasaki's way. 

Logically I think Ohtani will be tired as hell tonight, 11-4 Jays.  'World has a sense humor' part of me thinks 6-1 Dodgers with Ohtani going 7 and Jays fans exposed to Ohtani love fest. 

[BTS]

12 minutes ago, Olerud363.354 said:

6-1 Dodgers 7th

Clement - first pitch soft fly to right filed

IKF - strike-out swinging

Giminez -  strike out swinging

Joe Davis - On base 9 times last night.   12 ks today.  AND on base 3 more times.  That is 12 ks 12 on base in the last 2 games.

John Smoltz - the guy is just not human.  

Dodgers fans dancing, laughing, pure joy.  Blue Jays Message Board Sad.  Blue Jays fans sad. 

Dodgers fans paid $1050 USD for upper deck but worth it.  $1050 USD dollars to experience pure Joy

Blue Jays Message Board - some paid $2300 Canadian to see Jonahs Brothers from 500 level and experience sadness (unless lucky enough to choose game 1 instead). 

Blue Jays happy - Snell won't screw up again and realize that no game 6 so get their $2300 back.  So relieved.  

This post is basically the same format as your posts last year about how the future for Orioles fans is pure joy and Jays fans pure misery.  

[mphenhef]

1 hour ago, Governator said:

That delayed strike call on Varsho with Bo on first, cost the Jays the game in heinsight.  Still mad about it, I don't blame anyone but the ump on that.

You should be blaming Bo too.  That's a mistake a little leaguer gets benched for.

[glory]

1 hour ago, Angrioter said:

Bo shouldn't hit cleanup hitter behind Vladdy. When you pull him out after 3 PA for Falefa that leave Vladdy without protection

It may not matter now if Springer has to miss time (I’m assuming Bo will DH and bat lead off in that scenario) but completely agree. If Bo is playing 2B and is going to be taken out mid/late for IKF. then he needs to bat somewhere else in the lineup.

[neverbeenhere]

I don't blame Little for the loss, it was JS's mismanagement led to the loss 

[mphenhef]

I was getting ready to defend the Straw pinch running decision as playing to who they are with late inning defensive replacements when they are winning and the spot likely won't come up again.  But then I realized it was in the 8th in a tie game.  I can't get behind that.

[hanton]

The Ohtani homer right after Pete Walker's mound visit kind of stings, that and replacing Barger

Baseball players gotta have short memories....onto game 4.  

[Olerud363.354]

1 minute ago, BTS said:

This post is basically the same format as your posts last year about how the future for Orioles fans is pure joy and Jays fans pure misery. 

Well I was (so far) wrong about Orioles so perhaps wrong about this...

I took a long break from this message board partly because people just take things too seriously.  It's a message board.  Sometimes there is dark humor in how things work out.   People don't have to take every post so seriously.   This is where everyone should follow Grant's example.  For like almost 20 years I think he answers almost every post with his own thoughts, instead of criticizing others.  Rarely does Grant insult me when I call him a cherry picking moron, instead he usually just bring up counter-points as to why Seattle is so bad.   

How I really feel is that logically Ohtani should be tired so can't see him dominating tonight.   I felt that way after game 4 of the 2016 ALCS too.   Different scenario but I think they had an unknown lefty pitching game 5, and I thought obviously Jays could lose, but they aren't going to lose with the unknown going 4 scoreless and Miller going 2 scoreless again.  That is what happened every game of the series but it just is not going to happen again.  But it did.

Ohtani is tired.  Jays could lose.  They could lose 9-6 in a tired bullpen battle.   They could win 11-4.  But realistically it's just not going to be another Ohtani love-fest with him being super-human coming back after the 18 inning game.... but the world has a dark sense of humor part of me thinks it will be that. 

[Spanky__99]

4 hours ago, jaysblue said:

Was saying the same thing while I was watching the game. Didn't get that move.

Barger up at that plate in that situation would have been better than Straw. Jays completely gutted their lineup for extra innings. Was painful watching some of these guys get multiple AB's in extras. 

Obviously the Springer injury and if Kirk was injured afterwards, it's understandable. 

Barger was on 1B?

[Big_Walleye]

5 minutes ago, neverbeenhere said:

I don't blame Little for the loss, it was JS's mismanagement led to the loss 

That all you've got?  You sound like a broken record.

There are a bunch of reasons why they lost that game that have nothing to do with JS.

Bo picked off 1st on a nothing play.  IKF thrown out at 3rd.  Schneider sent home as a dead duck.  Dodgers (and Jays) pitchers stood on their head. Dodgers made a bunch of great plays. Jays couldn't scratch across a run for how many innings?  Dominguez was clearly told to try to get Ohtani to chase outside the zone, instead he throws one middle-middle. It goes on and on.

JS can't pitch, hit or field.  When it comes down to it, the players need to get it done.  These are all major league players at the end of the day.

[BlueJays]

Those people who chanted “we dont want you” on Ohtani feels last night lmao

[BTS]

6 minutes ago, Olerud363.354 said:

Well I was (so far) wrong about Orioles so perhaps wrong about this...

I took a long break from this message board partly because people just take things too seriously.  It's a message board.  Sometimes there is dark humor in how things work out.   People don't have to take every post so seriously.   This is where everyone should follow Grant's example.  For like almost 20 years I think he answers almost every post with his own thoughts, instead of criticizing others.  Rarely does Grant insult me when I call him a cherry picking moron, instead he usually just bring up counter-points as to why Seattle is so bad.   

How I really feel is that logically Ohtani should be tired so can't see him dominating tonight.   I felt that way after game 4 of the 2016 ALCS too.   Different scenario but I think they had an unknown lefty pitching game 5, and I thought obviously Jays could lose, but they aren't going to lose with the unknown going 4 scoreless and Miller going 2 scoreless again.  That is what happened every game of the series but it just is not going to happen again.  But it did.

Ohtani is tired.  Jays could lose.  They could lose 9-6 in a tired bullpen battle.   They could win 11-4.  But realistically it's just not going to be another Ohtani love-fest with him being super-human coming back after the 18 inning game.... but the world has a dark sense of humor part of me thinks it will be that. 

TBH I don't really remember people giving you a hard time on the old forum. I've personally always been an Olerud363 fan. 

[Olerud363.354]

6 minutes ago, BlueJays said:

Those people who chanted “we dont want you” on Ohtani feels last night lmao

Harold Reynolds really got into my head.  On MLB network went on a 20 minute rant about how we woke up Ohtani with the pick-off in the 9th Friday night.  That combined with the chants "We don't need you" just has the weird 'we insulted their honor' vibe, though Ohtani said it was a great chant.  

Ohtani - "That was great chant.  However now we kill you.  We respect your chant.  A clever chant, but we still have to kill you."

[Governator]

9 minutes ago, BTS said:

TBH I don't really remember people giving you a hard time on the old forum. I've personally always been an Olerud363 fan. 

Agreed, @Olerud363.354 you've always given insightful thoughts and appreciated by most. Don't let others ruin your day.  Just be mindful that there are lot of casuals who've joined recently because of their success and that's not a bad thing either.

[jmomcc]

I really think they need to play Schneider more. He isn't a great player, but he can take a walk and he can pull home runs.

We need offense and we should take whatever downgrade Schneider is at second or in the corner outfield. 

I sometimes feel like giving managers crafty veterans like straw, ikf and france can be a mistake because most managers were themselves crafty vets. They over value that type. 

[rydermike]

40 minutes ago, harvey16 said:

Hypothetical question. Had the Jays sustained another injury after they completely exhausted their entire 26 man roster, would they have had to forfeit the game if the player couldn't continue or would they be allowed to play a man down in the field and take an automatic out when it would be their turn to bat?

They technically didn't exhaust the roster. Gaussman, Yesavage, and Bieber were all technically available and could've been thrown into the field/bat. They wouldn't do well, but they would go in before a forfeit.

[Laika]

Olerud is a Hall of Fame poster but many simply cannot understand him. 

It's like trying to read Infinite Jest.

And reading Spanky is like trying to read Riddley Walker.

 

 

[harvey16]

Just now, rydermike said:

They technically didn't exhaust the roster. Gaussman, Yesavage, and Bieber were all technically available and could've been thrown into the field/bat

True, forgot about the starters

[SeranthonySantander]

Is there a go fund me to send spanky to the 6th game?  I’ll put in $10.  Was going to start it myself but it will look like a scam if I do it.

[Omar]

Don't kid yourself folks, Ohtani won't be fatigued in the least.

First of all the guy is physical specimen. He could probably participate in a marathon today and still play the game tonight. 

Secondly half of the game last night consisted of him walking to the batters box and then being walked to first base.

Don't pin your hopes on this type of stuff.

Sorry to say.