Blue Jays-Dodgers World Series Game 3 Thread: Max Scherzer vs. Tyler Glasnow

[Landry_25]

Just now, harvey16 said:

Vlad isn't given an opportunity to hit in that scenario. If they don't send Schneider there are runners and second and third and they walk Vladdy with an open base and pitch to IKF 100% of  the time. In hindsight it was the right call to send Schneider with 2 outs to try and score that run. It took 2 perfect throws to get him out.

Yeah and even the ikf out at third, took a perfect scenario and throw. Tough luck all around that game 

[glory]

4 hours ago, Stangstag said:

The real glaring move in this game IMO is removing Barger for Straw. Just didn’t really make any sense.

When Barger was on 1B no less. Just a stupid decision. The Jays went 11 innings with a AAA lineup. 

The series obviously isn’t over but losing this one hurts. Margin for error is super slim now.

[Angrioter]

Jays could lose 3 games the same day (18 inning game and Bieber game) . f*** u JS

 

You can't win a WS game with Davis Schneider, Falefa, Heiny, Straw and Gimenez 

 

[Laika]

This was the worst game in Blue Jays history 

[ComeTogether]

Bad luck, injuries and lack of depth.

 

[Brownie19]

1 hour ago, jaysblue said:

Hope Springer can come back for today, or at least at some point this series, but doesn't look good. If Springer is a no go, likely need to IL him and add Loperfido to the roster. 

Looks like Bo will move to DH regardless, with IKF starting at 2B. 

Hopefully Kirk is good to go as well for today's game. 

Springer (and the team in all likelihood) are done man.  And you probably pull up an arm now to try and get thru 2 more games.   Brutal execution again cost them when they needed it the most.  

[Brownie19]

9 minutes ago, ComeTogether said:

Bad luck, injuries and lack of depth.

 

FFS - this is the deepest Jays team in 32 years.

[mphenhef]

54 minutes ago, harvey16 said:

Vlad isn't given an opportunity to hit in that scenario. If they don't send Schneider there are runners and second and third and they walk Vladdy with an open base and pitch to IKF 100% of  the time. In hindsight it was the right call to send Schneider with 2 outs to try and score that run. It took 2 perfect throws to get him out.

Thanks, that makes sense...those are the little things I don't see just looking at a boxscore/highlight.

[Hipfan]

What a crazy, brutal game. My only hope is that the Dodgers' pitchers are more spent than the Jays, and we can steal a win today because of it. 

[Angrioter]

France + Schneider + Falefa + Heiny + Straw: 2 for 17 with 6Ks

[Pinkfloid]

I'll give Schneider a break, but only if we can grab a win and get the series back to TO. Like in the Mariners series, taking 2/3 on the road was something they had to do and they accomplished it; despite a brutal game 5 decision they still did it.

Taking 2/3 in LA is a tall order so if they can get a win tonight and/or tomorrow then all is forgiven and hopefully John and the team can bounce back and the Jays can win or lose at home in front of the best fans in the league.

Really, the only key decision that irked me was moving off of Barger too soon. Who knew the game would go 18 innings? That said, I still think putting Straw in so early was a bit dumb. Let's not get too down people!! We've outscored the Dodgers so far this series and as another poster put it, it felt like we battled injuries, the umps and the baseball gods last night and still took the game to 18 innings. Let's get a great game from Bieber tonight, grab a W and put some doubt in the minds of the Dodgers. Game 5 with a chance to go home up 3-2 on the line would be so fun.

[Angrioter]

Bo shouldn't hit cleanup hitter behind Vladdy. When you pull him out after 3 PA for Falefa that leave Vladdy without protection

[max silver]

5 minutes ago, Pinkfloid said:

I'll give Schneider a break, but only if we can grab a win and get the series back to TO. Like in the Mariners series, taking 2/3 on the road was something they had to do and they accomplished it; despite a brutal game 5 decision they still did it.

Taking 2/3 in LA is a tall order so if they can get it done tonight or tomorrow then all is forgiven and hopefully John and the team can bounce back and the Jays can win or lose at home in front of the best fans in the league.

Really, the only key decision that irked me was moving off of Barger too soon. Who knew the game would go 18 innings? That said, I still think putting Straw in so early was a bit dumb. Let's not get too down people!! We've outscored the Dodgers so far this series and as another poster put it, it felt like we battled injuries, the umps and the baseball gods last night and still took the game to 18 innings. Let's get a great game from Bieber tonight, grab a W and put some doubt in the minds of the Dodgers. Game 5 with a chance to go home up 3-2 on the line would be so fun.

I hated the Barger pull for a pinch runner. Like the guy just basically forced an infield error by busting it down the line on a grounder, he's a great baserunner and the switch to Straw is a marginal upgrade on the bases and don't forget that Barger made an outfield throw that Straw has no chance of making. 

There were a lot of plays that really came back to bite the team in the butt. The Bo pickoff in the 2nd was awful, it was a lousy call by the umpire but it was inexcusable for Bo to assume a walk at that point. It was a massive shame that Lukes managed to work a full count but then swung at ball 4 3 times in the at bat when a walk would have gave them the lead. I wasn't a fan of the Kirk removal as the lineup was already greatly depleted at that point with Springer, Bo and Barger on the bench and this led to a scrubs lineup in the goddamn world series.

But the pivotal point was pitching to Ohtani with an open base in the 7th inning with a 1 run lead. That's just asinine, as Dominguez struggles to retire left handed bats, Ohtani already had 2 doubles and a home run and Ohtani hits right handed pitching more effectively. Handing out the free pass was as easy a decision as there is as literally nothing good could come from pitching to Ohtani in that situation, and the rest of the Dodgers lineup had been relatively quiet up to that point. Schneider simultaneously overmanaged at points with the baserunning substitutions which led to a popgun lineup for half of the game, and undermanaged at such a key point late in the game to let Ohtani tie the game. Schneider did a fantastic job guiding this team to the world series this year, but this game showed how he can still find himself completely out of his element at the worst possible time in the post season. 

[Pinkfloid]

12 minutes ago, max silver said:

I hated the Barger pull for a pinch runner. Like the guy just basically forced an infield error by busting it down the line on a grounder, he's a great baserunner and the switch to Straw is a marginal upgrade on the bases and don't forget that Barger made an outfield throw that Straw has no chance of making. 

There were a lot of plays that really came back to bite the team in the butt. The Bo pickoff in the 2nd was awful, it was a lousy call by the umpire but it was inexcusable for Bo to assume a walk at that point. It was a massive shame that Lukes managed to work a full count but then swung at ball 4 3 times in the at bat when a walk would have gave them the lead. I wasn't a fan of the Kirk removal as the lineup was already greatly depleted at that point with Springer, Bo and Barger on the bench and this led to a scrubs lineup in the goddamn world series.

But the pivotal point was pitching to Ohtani with an open base in the 7th inning with a 1 run lead. That's just asinine, as Dominguez struggles to retire left handed bats, Ohtani already had 2 doubles and a home run and Ohtani hits right handed pitching more effectively. Handing out the free pass was as easy a decision as there is as literally nothing good could come from pitching to Ohtani in that situation, and the rest of the Dodgers lineup had been relatively quiet up to that point. Schneider simultaneously overmanaged at points with the baserunning substitutions which led to a popgun lineup for half of the game, and undermanaged at such a key point late in the game to let Ohtani tie the game. Schneider did a fantastic job guiding this team to the world series this year, but this game showed how he can still find himself completely out of his element at the worst possible time in the post season. 

I totally hear you. I feel like a lot of the frustrations are based on results rather than process, if you know what I mean. Your point about pitching to Ohtani is well-made. That decision along with the Barger pull are really all I can find fault in. The rest was just players not performing, or making bad baserunning decisions, etc.

I said the same thing in the ALCS, Schneider seems to need to fail at something once before knowing how to fix it. I really do hope he can continue to engage the team without needing to overmanage; it's just a 2-1 deficit and the series is far from over. Let's hope Bo keeps healthy and that the team can step up in what is likely to be a long absence for Springer. It was always Jays in 6 or 7 and that is still on the table.

[SeranthonySantander]

Springer day to day as of now.  You know he is going to try to play, but if they don't sub him off the roster this afternoon you have to think he is good for the Toronto games. 

[Governator]

That delayed strike call on Varsho with Bo on first, cost the Jays the game in heinsight.  Still mad about it, I don't blame anyone but the ump on that.

[Brownie19]

2 minutes ago, Governator said:

That delayed strike call on Varsho with Bo on first, cost the Jays the game in heinsight.  Still mad about it, I don't blame anyone but the ump on that.

100% inexcusable from an umpire in the World Series.  Last night was a brutal game throughout.  This is obviously our biggest test yet.  Can we bounce back, or is this thing over in 5? 

[Brownie19]

10 minutes ago, SeranthonySantander said:

Springer day to day as of now.  You know he is going to try to play, but if they don't sub him off the roster this afternoon you have to think he is good for the Toronto games. 

Where are you reading that?  

I don't think there's any hope that Springer returns.

[Jonn]

Hopefully JS learned some valuable lessons last night. Unreal we watched that horrendous lineup for that long. Really credit the Bullpen for holding the A Lineup of the Dodgers for so long.

[SeranthonySantander]

10 minutes ago, Brownie19 said:

Where are you reading that?  

I don't think there's any hope that Springer returns.

Ben Nicholson Smith tweet 10 minutes after the game ended.  Did an MRI and just said he will be day to day, right side discomfort.  So if they don't make the announcement in a few hours that ?Loperfido? is in I assume we see him again. 

I tweaked my back carrying around 200lb boulders this year and was incapacitated, made a chiro appointment, next day felt perfectly good and cancelled that appointment.  So I think he goes.

[L54]

55 minutes ago, Angrioter said:

France + Schneider + Falefa + Heiny + Straw: 2 for 17 with 6Ks

You’re right. Schneider went full nerd mode and used the entire bench which is compromised of defense first guys, not really known for their bats. It’s almost as if the “it takes a village” mantra killed them tonight. You don’t always have to use everyone 

[L54]

58 minutes ago, Angrioter said:

Bo shouldn't hit cleanup hitter behind Vladdy. When you pull him out after 3 PA for Falefa that leave Vladdy without protection

You’re cookin this morning 

Kirk should be hitting clean up 

[ComeTogether]

1 hour ago, Brownie19 said:

FFS - this is the deepest Jays team in 32 years.

And yet they reached this far despite all the odds and injuries.    

While it looks bleak, I'm going to continue to cheer them on.   Fight to the end.  Baseball is a funny sport.  You never know what will happen. 

They  still need to steal one in LA, no different from yesterday.  

[SeranthonySantander]

1 minute ago, ComeTogether said:

And yet they reached this far despite all the odds and injuries.    

While it looks bleak, I'm going to continue to cheer them on.   Fight to the end.  Baseball is a funny sport.  You never know what will happen. 

They  still need to steal one in LA, no different from yesterday.  

Yea all good, we win tonight we are good.  Lose and it's over.  I like our odds seeing how weak that dodgers lineup has been.

[Governator]

At least Schneider tried to hide Little as long as possible to delay the inevitable outcome.

[Doubleplay21]

IKF running the bases like a high school kid is inexcusable for a WS 

[Doubleplay21]

1 minute ago, Governator said:

At least Schneider tried to hide Little as long as possible to delay the inevitable outcome.

It was earned not 4 walks

[Olerud363.354]

1 hour ago, Angrioter said:

Bo shouldn't hit cleanup hitter behind Vladdy. When you pull him out after 3 PA for Falefa that leave Vladdy without protection

If Springer injured Bo can lead off DH.  Bo Lukes Guerrero Varsho Clemente Barger Kirk IKF Jiminez.    Then when Straw runs for Bo you just pretend he is 9th.   Move Clemente up.  Keep all the guys who you don't pinch run for together so they can have a rally. 

[ComeTogether]

 

 

[Olerud363.354]

1 minute ago, Doubleplay21 said:

It was earned not 4 walks

After giving up 2 homers in 70 innings, Little now 2 homers in last 2 appearances.  Like maybe he should walk 2 with a couple ks and groundouts.  Better then solo homerun in that scenario.

Though we wouldn't of scored against Yamamoto anyway, so Little saved Bieber