[ALDS GM3] : Yankees (Rodon) vs Blue Jays (Bieber): 10/06/25, 8:10pm

[saskjayfan]

15 minutes ago, Stangstag said:

Why??

I just think we'll need offense, and I think schneider has a better chance to produce at the plate. 

[BTS]

5 minutes ago, Olerud363.354 said:

I remember David Price went on short rest game 4 of LDS 2015.   You had Dickey (risky as a bullpen day) work out, then (perhaps irrationally) Gibbons went to Price, then Stroman for game 5.  In that case the HAD to win both. 

Yesivage would be on 4 days rest Friday.  So options are

1. Gausman 3 days rest sometime tonight, Yesivage Friday on 4 days rest (if needed)

2. Neither today.  Gausman 5 days rest Friday (if necessary).  Yesivage avialble. 

3. Neither today.  Yesivage 4 days rest Friday (if necessary).  Gausman available. 

4. Both today 1 inning.  Both available 4 innings Friday (if necessary).

Guess part of it depends whether Varland and Lauer get rocked or not... 

 

 

This org is very risk-averse. It's very hard for me to see him use Yesavage on 2 days rest. I think both him and Gausman will be in play on Friday if required.  

[glory]

Is there a way to IL Bruihl and put Bassitt on the roster by tonight? I actually liked the idea of an opener in Game 4 but the Yankees made me hate it after 3 games. If the Jays bullpen actually wins Game 4 then it’s destiny because man does this matchup look one sided. Lauer needs to throw up some zeros. I think it’s going to Game 5 unfortunately. Hope I’m wrong.

[max silver]

10 hours ago, Jays24 said:

Yup... management/coaching staff get blame for starting IKF but its ultimately the players who choked.  You have a 6-1 lead against a completely demoralized team and we gave them extra life in multiple innings.  The players literally brought the Yankees back to life. 

The Jays picked a really bad time for an uncharacteristic bad game in the field. I don't know if the pressure was getting to them or what but you just can't get away with handing extra outs to the Yankees at Yankee Stadium. I felt that the Barger miscue was the dagger in this game that allowed Judge and the Yankees to really get back into the game and seize the momentum in the series. The Jays are still in a good spot up 2-1 but it's hard to feel very confident for game 4 with an upcoming bullpen game with the way that the Yankees have been piling up runs against the pen in the last few games.

[hanton]

yea sitting Ernie is wild

[Stangstag]

10 minutes ago, saskjayfan said:

I just think we'll need offense, and I think schneider has a better chance to produce at the plate. 

Against high velocity? no. Clement has been hot as hell too

[Jonn]

3 hours ago, mphenhef said:

You certainly have to question bringing in a reliever who judge had hit two homers off in 5 plate appearances in that situation.

 

Other questions/notes I have after that game (sorry, I haven't had a chance to read the thread so maybe have likely been discussed)

 

1. This team has gone defense over offense with leads all season long, so why bring in Barger with an early 5 run lead?

2. Does this management team not understand reverse splits?  They keep bringing in lefties to face Bellinger (OPS is 300 points higher versus lefties than righties) and seem to not understand the Davis has an OPS versus righties 200 points higher than Lukes.  Now I will admit maybe they base this just as much off pitch mix as anything and that could tell a different story but on the surface it is questionable.

3. Along those lines, is Santander a good enough bat versus righties at this point to justify keeping him in over Lukes defensively once the lefty arm was used?

4. I hope the bullpen comes back stronger than it has looked the past couple of games.  It would be nice to not have to use Gausman/Trey this round to have them fresh to start in a likely ALCS.

I feel with using Barger in that situation they saw it as a chance to bury the Yankees if he runs into one.
 

They were also looking for scenarios to bring him in because they didn’t want him sitting for so long considering the Yankees started back to back Lefties.

Barger doesn’t make us significantly worse Defensive team. But what didn’t make any sense was no Straw and they probably fielded the worst possible corner OF Defense they could have.

Straw runs that pop up down without a second thought. Springer or Lukes catch that ball Santander botched and hurt his wrist taking a disaster route.

Just weird choices made and went against what they did all year.

[Olerud363.354]

18 minutes ago, glory said:

If the Jays bullpen actually wins Game 4 then it’s destiny because man does this matchup look one sided. Lauer needs to throw up some zeros.

Lauer was decent this year and has a track record of being decent in 2021 and 2022 as well.  

According to fangraphs Lauer has a lower expected ERA.  According to the radar gun Lauer throws 90 and Schlittler 99.  According to the Boston Red Sox Schlittler does 99 with pin point control and can do it for 8 innings.

I don't really know how good Schlittler really is.  Maybe Red Sox just suck.   Maybe the pin point control was one night only.  

[Olerud363.354]

6 minutes ago, Jonn said:

Just weird choices made and went against what they did all year.

Also wonder about Schneider left field/IKF second, vs Straw left/Schneider second.  You could argue the latter and the two errors don't happen.  The first just because of the fact it was a pretty routine play, and if Schneider at second he doesn't do the same thing (maybe he misses something else...).  Straw makes the catch in left. 

[Brock Beauchamp]

Wild. I don't know with 100% certainty, but I think this game thread has the most posts in the history of any of our sites (or at least it will by the time everything is said and done). There were two Twins threads that also had 1.3k replies from playoff games in 2019 and 2017.

[Laika]

4 minutes ago, Jonn said:

I feel with using Barger in that situation they saw it as a chance to bury the Yankees if he runs into one.
 

They were also looking for scenarios to bring him in because they didn’t want him sitting for so long considering the Yankees started back to back Lefties.

Barger doesn’t make us significantly worse Defensive team. But what didn’t make any sense was no Straw and they probably fielded the worst possible corner OF Defense they could have.

Straw runs that pop up down without a second thought. Springer or Lukes catch that ball Santander botched and hurt his wrist taking a disaster route.

Just weird choices made and went against what they did all year.

I think they wanted to leave Santander in for one more PA. Making a defensive swap for Straw in the 3rd would have been a bit bold. They should have done it. By the time Santander got that extra PA (the 5th) the game was tied. 

6-1 with a 90% win probability, should have went all defense from then on even if it was the 3rd inning. 

[Terminator]

The bullpen game seemed like a good idea heading into the series. Two bad games from them and it doesn't seem so great right now.

I'm hoping that the long layoff for these guys has played a factor. It's been a week+ layoff for pretty much all of them. That could be copium though.

 

[Brownie19]

11 hours ago, Stangstag said:

Brother they could still start Santander in that scenario. IKF had no business starting this game over Straw

 

11 hours ago, Jays24 said:

Hes always in a rush to defend every decision made by the Jays that he loses the whole point lol.  

WTF - I wasn't defending IKF?  Nor was I defending anything.  I was just providing the factual information they literally said on TV. 

I'll caulk this up to irrational thinking in the midst of a brutal game.

[max silver]

4 minutes ago, Laika said:

I think they wanted to leave Santander in for one more PA. Making a defensive swap for Straw in the 3rd would have been a bit bold. They should have done it. By the time Santander got that extra PA (the 5th) the game was tied. 

6-1 with a 90% win probability, should have went all defense from then on even if it was the 3rd inning. 

Yeah in retrospect bringing in the defensive replacements early may have prevented this game from turning into the outright disaster it became. It felt a lot like the 2022 collapse as the better defenders were left on the bench allowing misplays to let the Mariners slowly get back into the game.

[Terminator]

10 minutes ago, Jonn said:

I feel with using Barger in that situation they saw it as a chance to bury the Yankees if he runs into one.
 

They were also looking for scenarios to bring him in because they didn’t want him sitting for so long considering the Yankees started back to back Lefties.

Barger doesn’t make us significantly worse Defensive team. But what didn’t make any sense was no Straw and they probably fielded the worst possible corner OF Defense they could have.

Straw runs that pop up down without a second thought. Springer or Lukes catch that ball Santander botched and hurt his wrist taking a disaster route.

Just weird choices made and went against what they did all year.

Yep. When subbing early in a game, they choose the better player over the better defender, even with a lead.

They did the same thing in that big Mariners comeback.

When Merrifield got hurt early in the game with a big lead, they went with the better player (Tilapia) over the better defender (Jackie Bradley).

[Jays24]

38 minutes ago, glory said:

Is there a way to IL Bruihl and put Bassitt on the roster by tonight? I actually liked the idea of an opener in Game 4 but the Yankees made me hate it after 3 games. If the Jays bullpen actually wins Game 4 then it’s destiny because man does this matchup look one sided. Lauer needs to throw up some zeros. I think it’s going to Game 5 unfortunately. Hope I’m wrong.

I have been mentioning this from when the rosters were announced.  Not having Bassitt/Scherzer over Bruhil/Nance is very idiotic.  Bassitt/Scherzer give you legit long man options in the worst case but also help save your bullpen too. 

Maybe if we go to Bassitt yesterday, he has his A stuff.  Worst case, he looks exactly like how 75% of the bullpen has.  

[max silver]

5 minutes ago, Terminator said:

The bullpen game seemed like a good idea heading into the series. Two bad games from them and it doesn't seem so great right now.

I'm hoping that the long layoff for these guys has played a factor. It's been a week+ layoff for pretty much all of them. That could be copium though.

 

My only hope here is that the Jays have made a lot of hay in bullpen games this season. That doesn't take away any of the trepidation from needing 27 outs from the pen with the way the last few games have unfolded however. 

[Stangstag]

13 minutes ago, Laika said:

I think they wanted to leave Santander in for one more PA. Making a defensive swap for Straw in the 3rd would have been a bit bold. They should have done it. By the time Santander got that extra PA (the 5th) the game was tied. 

6-1 with a 90% win probability, should have went all defense from then on even if it was the 3rd inning. 

They did the same thing Vs Seattle and leaving JBJ on the bench.

[Stangstag]

8 minutes ago, max silver said:

Yeah in retrospect bringing in the defensive replacements early may have prevented this game from turning into the outright disaster it became. It felt a lot like the 2022 collapse as the better defenders were left on the bench allowing misplays to let the Mariners slowly get back into the game.

Coincidently that game also had a great second basemen (Espinal) make an error early on which led to Gausman throwing more pitches and being yanked early.

[Brownie19]

Just now, Stangstag said:

They did the same thing Vs Seattle and leaving JBJ on the bench.

I think that's a stretch.  I think they just wanted to give Tony another at bat, given he just produced in his previous one and it was still so early.  It backfired horribly.

I believe in the JBJ situation, they actually brought Tapia into the game instead of JBJ (I could be wrong - I've tried to block that game from my mind) - which was super odd.

[Stangstag]

15 minutes ago, Terminator said:

The bullpen game seemed like a good idea heading into the series. Two bad games from them and it doesn't seem so great right now.

I'm hoping that the long layoff for these guys has played a factor. It's been a week+ layoff for pretty much all of them. That could be copium though.

 

Trust the process? 

[Brownie19]

9 minutes ago, Jays24 said:

I have been mentioning this from when the rosters were announced.  Not having Bassitt/Scherzer over Bruhil/Nance is very idiotic.  Bassitt/Scherzer give you legit long man options in the worst case but also help save your bullpen too. 

Maybe if we go to Bassitt yesterday, he has his A stuff.  Worst case, he looks exactly like how 75% of the bullpen has.  

You want a gold star or some forum award man?

Nitpicking every single decision or play and ensuring people know who you think is to blame (like people always need to be blamed when we lose) like there's some reward for bring "right" (even when you're often sitting a top Mt. Stupid) is hilarious (and sad) to witness.

[Terminator]

The Barger error wasn't all his fault. I don't care if he calls it, Schneider has the ability to call him off.

But Schneider gave up on the play when Barger called it though so he couldn't call him off, even if he wanted.

The wind must have picked up like crazy though. You can see Schneider track the ball and when Barger calls for it he just winds down. From where the ball actually landed and where Schneider stopped tracking, it must have move something like 15 feet.

[Terminator]

4 minutes ago, Brownie19 said:

You want a gold star or some forum award man?

Nitpicking every single decision or play and ensuring people know who you think is to blame (like people always need to be blamed when we lose) like there's some reward for bring "right" (even when you're often sitting a top Mt. Stupid) is hilarious (and sad) to witness.

Yeah the broken clock is right twice a day and all that.

He has criticized every single decision the team has made and declared the season over back in December. Finally gets something right and then starts a victory lap lol.

[Jays24]

15 minutes ago, Brownie19 said:

You want a gold star or some forum award man?

Nitpicking every single decision or play and ensuring people know who you think is to blame (like people always need to be blamed when we lose) like there's some reward for bring "right" (even when you're often sitting a top Mt. Stupid) is hilarious (and sad) to witness.

I dont want anything but for my team to use some sense when making decisions.  It wasn't just me, majority of people were baffled with the decision ahead of the game and it directly led to miscues that help cost us the game.  

Again, most of us agree on 95% of the things this team does.  We are usually bickering about the 5% we differ on and thats fine, that's what a message board is for.  You and a few others are shocked when people see things differently as a front office can never do anything wrong while we're shocked that there are people who can't see those things.  

[max silver]

9 minutes ago, Terminator said:

The Barger error wasn't all his fault. I don't care if he calls it, Schneider has the ability to call him off.

But Schneider gave up on the play when Barger called it though so he couldn't call him off, even if he wanted.

The wind must have picked up like crazy though. You can see Schneider track the ball and when Barger calls for it he just winds down. From where the ball actually landed and where Schneider stopped tracking, it must have move something like 15 feet.

I still mostly blame Barger for that misplay. A major league infielder should have the ability to make an adjustment on a popup when a gust of wind hits the field. Schneider could have saved him from the error if he took charge on the play but Barger still had the ball clank off of his glove on an eminently catchable ball.

[max silver]

1 minute ago, Jays24 said:

I dont want anything but for my team to use some sense when making decisions.  It wasn't just me, majority of people were baffled with the decision ahead of the game and it directly led to miscues that help cost us the game.  

Again, most of us agree on 95% of the things this team does.  We are usually bickering about the 5% we differ on and thats fine, that's what a message board is for.  

IKF booting a routine grounder was a really low probability occurrence so I don't really assign a lot of blame to anyone other than IKF alone for him botching that play. A manager should reliably expect that a quality infield defender would make the routine plays that come his way. You were also complaining that Barger should be starting no matter what, and lo and behold as soon as he came into the game he also made a bad error that was far more impactful given where the Yankees were in the lineup. I don't see you backing off on your continual assertion that Barger should start no matter what when he made a far more important error that was the largest turning point in the game.

[Jays24]

13 minutes ago, Terminator said:

The Barger error wasn't all his fault. I don't care if he calls it, Schneider has the ability to call him off.

But Schneider gave up on the play when Barger called it though so he couldn't call him off, even if he wanted.

The wind must have picked up like crazy though. You can see Schneider track the ball and when Barger calls for it he just winds down. From where the ball actually landed and where Schneider stopped tracking, it must have move something like 15 feet.

2 minutes ago, max silver said:

I still mostly blame Barger for that misplay. A major league infielder should have the ability to make an adjustment on a popup when a gust of wind hits the field. Schneider could have saved him from the error if he took charge on the play but Barger still had the ball clank off of his glove on an eminently catchable ball.

Barger vehemently called for the ball but a good OFer know that you always call the IF off when you can easily get to that ball.  Thats exactly the position Schneider was in, he had a chance to help his teammate out by making the easier play and he failed in that regard.  You can see Barger ask him after the play "could you have gotten that" and Schneider nods saying "yes" 

[Terminator]

6 minutes ago, Jays24 said:

Again, most of us agree on 95% of the things this team does.  

LMAO

[Stangstag]

16 minutes ago, Terminator said:

The Barger error wasn't all his fault. I don't care if he calls it, Schneider has the ability to call him off.

But Schneider gave up on the play when Barger called it though so he couldn't call him off, even if he wanted.

The wind must have picked up like crazy though. You can see Schneider track the ball and when Barger calls for it he just winds down. From where the ball actually landed and where Schneider stopped tracking, it must have move something like 15 feet.

Im tellin you man, fkn ghost of Babe Ruth blowing the winds around in the Yankees favor. Wind clearly wasn't blowing that direction for the Judge homerun.