[ALDS GM3] : Yankees (Rodon) vs Blue Jays (Bieber): 10/06/25, 8:10pm

[Stangstag]

43 minutes ago, jmomcc said:

Is there an argument for gausman on short rest tomorrow? And then start yesavage on normal rest if needed game 5?

He has his bullpen session day tomorrow, I wonder if they go to him for like 1 inning. If they are winning. Probably not.

[Stangstag]

8 minutes ago, G-Snarls said:

Tomorrow need

Lukes LF

Springer RF

Santander DH or just keep him on the bench to pinch hit 

 

 

This SHOULD be the alignment tomorrow.

I really hope they don’t go with IKF again somewhere because he’s “good against fastballs”

Should be Ernie, Barger, Lukes getting the start tomorrow.

[Gen.Disarray]

9 minutes ago, Stangstag said:

He has his bullpen session day tomorrow, I wonder if they go to him for like 1 inning. If they are winning. Probably not.

I could absolutely see them starting Gausman while telling Lauer to be ready right from the first inning if needed. 

[Terminator]

I feel like they can and should get whacky with it tomorrow.

Lots of options:

• Gausman on short rest.
• Yariel could be the opener.
• Start Lauer.
• I'm going to get tarred and feathered for this one but they could open with Varland tomorrow too.
• Trey The Savage is even an option for a couple of innings. He only threw 78 pitches and tomorrow is his throw day.

Can't throw both Gausman and The Savage but damn near anything else is an option. 

 

[Terminator]

We already have our answer.

[Stangstag]

4 minutes ago, Terminator said:

We already have our answer.

Im predicting a Judge solo shot in the 1st. 

[Terminator]

6 minutes ago, Stangstag said:

Im predicting a Judge solo shot in the 1st. 

Unlikely to homer off that velocity without someone relaying him signs from 2nd. 

[Spanky__99]

1 hour ago, Steeljays said:

I agree. He really hasn't looked good except for maybe 1 start. I know to give him some slack because of his injury but not sure he is the real deal. His CY was the covid year and not sure he ever pitched more than 100 innings. 
we need to pay for shut down starters. Unfortunately, Bassit Berrios and max are not it going into next season. 

2 of those guys, will not be on the team next season?

[Spanky__99]

39 minutes ago, Terminator said:

We already have our answer.

Why would you get tarred and feathered for suggesting Varland, he's good?

[BlackCoffee]

7 hours ago, Stangstag said:

Brother they could still start Santander in that scenario. IKF had no business starting this game over Straw

Imagine a team that thinks they're a World Series contender picking up the Pittsburg Pirates sloppy seconds and starting him in the post season in a city he was already laughed out of. 

[mphenhef]

6 hours ago, Jonn said:

I just don't think you can let Judge be the one to beat you. You take your chances with Bellinger with the bases loaded for sure. None of its ideal. But you can't have the best player on the planet tie the game. If Bellinger and Rice go deep you tip your cap. Its way tougher pill to swallow when you go after Judge with your best stuff and he still takes you deep.

You certainly have to question bringing in a reliever who judge had hit two homers off in 5 plate appearances in that situation.

 

Other questions/notes I have after that game (sorry, I haven't had a chance to read the thread so maybe have likely been discussed)

 

1. This team has gone defense over offense with leads all season long, so why bring in Barger with an early 5 run lead?

2. Does this management team not understand reverse splits?  They keep bringing in lefties to face Bellinger (OPS is 300 points higher versus lefties than righties) and seem to not understand the Davis has an OPS versus righties 200 points higher than Lukes.  Now I will admit maybe they base this just as much off pitch mix as anything and that could tell a different story but on the surface it is questionable.

3. Along those lines, is Santander a good enough bat versus righties at this point to justify keeping him in over Lukes defensively once the lefty arm was used?

4. I hope the bullpen comes back stronger than it has looked the past couple of games.  It would be nice to not have to use Gausman/Trey this round to have them fresh to start in a likely ALCS.

[saskjayfan]

7 hours ago, Stangstag said:

He has his bullpen session day tomorrow, I wonder if they go to him for like 1 inning. If they are winning. Probably not.

I would use an opener and bring in Gausman and let him roll.  If using Gausman on short rest wasn't the plan all along they made a massive error in having bruhl on the roster instead of Bassitt or Scherzer. 

[Olerud363.354]

8 hours ago, Steeljays said:

His CY was the covid year and not sure he ever pitched more than 100 innings. 

He pitched 200 innings in 2019 and 2022.  His k-rate has gone down a lot since his CY.

Just not the start you want from the deadline acquisition handed a 6-1 lead and a quiet crowd .  Varland too.  Not the relief appearance you want from the deadline acquisition handed a 6-3 lead. 

Hopefully today is better, but no way to sugar coat this, deadline acquisitions failed spectacularly.    

[saskjayfan]

8 hours ago, Stangstag said:

I don’t think you intentionally walk the tying run. But I agree, dont give into him there. Interesting insight from Caleb Joseph that Judge was hunting something to pull. Could’ve gone away like Gausman did the other day. But Judge is really fn good.

The Judge home run is a tough one because there was no earthy reason for a player hit that fastball out of the park in an 0-2 count.  In an 0-2 count a player swinging at that fastball where it was located with the velocity it was thrown at probably has a 50%+ whif rate.  Judge is just a special player that had a special moment. 

[Olerud363.354]

Just now, Olerud363.354 said:

Varland too.  Not the relief appearance you want from the deadline acquisition handed a 6-3 lead. 

I get that the homerun was a bit of a freak hit by a freak on an inside fastball.  However Fox pointed out Judge had a great swing on the pitch before.  And Varland went inside but the pitch was the same height and Judge was looking for it.  Maybe he did have signs relayed from second.  Kirk doing something to give it away?

[saskjayfan]

3 minutes ago, Olerud363.354 said:

He pitched 200 innings in 2019 and 2022.  His k-rate has gone down a lot since his CY.

Just not the start you want from the deadline acquisition handed a 6-1 lead and a quiet crowd .  Varland too.  Not the relief appearance you want from the deadline acquisition handed a 6-3 lead. 

Hopefully today is better, but no way to sugar coat this, deadline acquisitions failed spectacularly.    

Bieber had an inning where he gave up 2 runs.  It happens.  If you look at the challenge fastball at the bottom of the zone, you're pitching to the scoreboard.  He followed that up with fastball right at the top of the zone.  They weren't on the edges, but they weren't terrible pitches.  His final AB he walked a Chisholm on a ball that was clearly a strike.  He wasn't pitching poorly.  I said when they pulled him that it was a mistake to pull him.  Now with the defensive miscues we had later in the game definitely still probably deserved to lose the game even if we had kept Bieber in.  

[saskjayfan]

5 minutes ago, Olerud363.354 said:

I get that the homerun was a bit of a freak hit by a freak on an inside fastball.  However Fox pointed out Judge had a great swing on the pitch before.  And Varland went inside but the pitch was the same height and Judge was looking for it.  Maybe he did have signs relayed from second.  Kirk doing something to give it away?

I'm guessing he just guessed right or gearing up for the fastball and trusting his pitch recognition to lay off off speed. 

[saskjayfan]

I'd sit ernie tonight and play and play Schneider at 2nd.  This won't happen though. 

[Laika]

Hard to see Toronto winning today unless Cam Schlitts his pants. 

Bullpen game and New York has seen every reliever, recently, some multiple times. 

If the Jays win it will need to be like 9-7 lol

[Laika]

I guess there is that remote possibility that Lauer fools them, crafty lefty style, for 3+ innings in the middle of the game and that is a difference maker. 

Cannot start Santander or IKF, that s*** was embarrassing. Barger I don't blame much for that missed catch. 

[SeranthonySantander]

Any trouble at all I dont care if it's the 1st, we put Hoffman in.  I don't want another Ubaldo/Edwin homer moment with the best closer in the league warming up.

[BatFlip]

Prediction:  1-0 Jays.

 

[Olerud363.354]

5 minutes ago, SeranthonySantander said:

Any trouble at all I dont care if it's the 1st, we put Hoffman in.

Hoffman.  Who cares if he is used or not.   Gausman Yesivage is the bigger question.  How do you make sure you use both for at least 5 innings each (if going good) over next 2 games? 

Both were less than 80 pitches last start.   Do you go to Gausman today if Jays get lead?   What about Yesivage?   Any chance one or both could pitch an inning today and still 4 or 5 innings if needed Friday?

[SeranthonySantander]

5 minutes ago, Olerud363.354 said:

Hoffman.  Who cares if he is used or not.   Gausman Yesivage is the bigger question.  How do you make sure you use both for at least 5 innings each (if going good) over next 2 games? 

Both were less than 80 pitches last start.   Do you go to Gausman today if Jays get lead?   What about Yesivage?   Any chance one or both could pitch an inning today and still 4 or 5 innings if needed Friday?

If anything it would be Gausman.  They won't do Trey on short rest and at yankee stadium.  Then we'd have to have Trey short rest Friday.   Bassit/Trey can go ALCS game 1 depending if we win today.

Both seem kind of unlikely but never know

[BTS]

I think I'd feel better about today's game with Bassitt than with a pen game. 

[Stangstag]

46 minutes ago, saskjayfan said:

I'd sit ernie tonight and play and play Schneider at 2nd.  This won't happen though. 

Why??

[Olerud363.354]

38 minutes ago, Laika said:

Hard to see Toronto winning today unless Cam Schlitts his pants. 

Bullpen game and New York has seen every reliever, recently, some multiple times. 

If the Jays win it will need to be like 9-7 lol

So then what happens Friday?  If bad where does up 2-0 with 6-1 lead in game 3 rank among the great collapses in playoff history?   Up 6-1 mid third of of game 3 jays had what 98% chance of winning the series?   I guess their chances of winning series went from 98% to maybe 65% (if you give NY big edge tonight) in an hour?

What is worse?  A game where chances go from 50% to 0%?  Or 3 innings where it goes from 98% to 65%?  I think for some people the latter is worse.  Something that is a sure thing disappears and if you are prone to getting bad vibes about momentum if feels like it is gone. 

50% to 0% is just like the coin flip didn't work out this time.... 

 

[bluejaysinternNo5]

I could see Yesavage getting used today in a key spot if we're leading but you need to save Gausman for a possible game 5 all the way. 

[Olerud363.354]

25 minutes ago, SeranthonySantander said:

If anything it would be Gausman.  They won't do Trey on short rest and at yankee stadium.  Then we'd have to have Trey short rest Friday.   Bassit/Trey can go ALCS game 1 depending if we win today.

I remember David Price went on short rest game 4 of LDS 2015.   You had Dickey (risky as a bullpen day) work out, then (perhaps irrationally) Gibbons went to Price, then Stroman for game 5.  In that case the HAD to win both. 

Yesivage would be on 4 days rest Friday.  So options are

1. Gausman 3 days rest sometime tonight, Yesivage Friday on 4 days rest (if needed)

2. Neither today.  Gausman 5 days rest Friday (if necessary).  Yesivage avialble. 

3. Neither today.  Yesivage 4 days rest Friday (if necessary).  Gausman available. 

4. Both today 1 inning.  Both available 4 innings Friday (if necessary).

Guess part of it depends whether Varland and Lauer get rocked or not... 

 

 

[max silver]

1 hour ago, saskjayfan said:

I'd sit ernie tonight and play and play Schneider at 2nd.  This won't happen though. 

Why sit Ernie? He's hot as a firecracker and the team needs his glove after the defensive debacle in game 3.