[ALDS GM2] : Yankees (Fried) vs Blue Jays (Yesavage): 10/05/25, 4:08pm

[SeranthonySantander]

He is having better results in the majors than his combined minor league stats.  Not looking into underlying stuff now.

 

wonder if he has just progressed

Hopefully he can do it a few more times this year and can be a solid 3/4 starter going forward

[max silver]

48 minutes ago, sliderguy35 said:

great post, to add onto this a little bit: yesavage is considered a "pronator" aka his hand stays behind the baseball really well when he throws. when you combine this with the high arm angle, it creates really elite 4 seam vertical movement. 

the downside of this is that with this tendency combined with the arm angle, he physically can't get to the side of the ball to spin it in a way that moves laterally to the glove side (at least not at a workable velocity). he's almost certainly gripping it like a slider and cue-ing it like all other pitchers do with their gyro sliders (throw it like a football is the most common one for reference), but his physical limitations prevent him from getting movement to the glove side.

but like laika said, everything is relative. if like chris bassitt were to throw that arm-side slider shape, it would probably get absolutely annihilated because its almost like a bad mix of his sinker & cutter. but because the slider is playing off of yesavage's elite fastball carry & a splitter that runs away from them, it works for him specifically. 

 

side note: i was at the game yesterday and it was absolutely electric, even up in the bleeders. can't imagine what it would have sounded like down at field level.

yesavage is also making me re-evaluate how heavily I should be weighting outlier approach angles when i'm looking at pitcher effectiveness. the analytics community has known for years that you want to be as flat or as steep as possible when entering the zone, but it really does seem like if you're able to throw to an outlier angle, with just average velocity, pitch shape doesn't really matter. 

Have you been able to lay eyes on Yesavage's curveball to check out the movement profile? 

[max silver]

8 minutes ago, SeranthonySantander said:

He is having better results in the majors than his combined minor league stats.  Not looking into underlying stuff now.

 

wonder if he has just progressed

Hopefully he can do it a few more times this year and can be a solid 3/4 starter going forward

I think you are seriously underrating Yesavage's future potential, I see a lot more than a 3/4 pitcher but we'll get a better feel once the league gets over the initial shock.

[Eat My Shatkins]

Hopefully he can be a solid 3/4 starter going forward??

Lmao

I get trying to temper expectations and all, but come on dude.

[GoBlue41]

1 hour ago, Brownie19 said:

This is all I have after watching Yesavage carve up the Yankees in one of the best games every pitched in a Blue Jays uniform...

I think you might be on to something here. "Macho Man" Trey Yesavage has a nice ring to it. Oh yeaaaahhhhhhh!!!!

[Terminator]

Hopefully yesterday's bullpen performance was just guys knocking off some cobwebs after not pitching for over week.

I expect us to play very well tomorrow but if the Yanks pull that game out, we've got a bullpen game for Game 4. 

I am pretty confident in our bullpen games. We've got a deep pen with a lot of good options to mix and match throughout a game.

But that requires using some of your B relievers and they shook my trust a little last night.

[Terminator]

11 hours ago, G-Snarls said:

Lol 

Jeter and ARod.... Of course, saying all the annoying s*** we thought Yankees and their fans would say when they sort of started getting back into the game for an inning and a half 

A-Rod's quote was hilarious coping. Glad Papi called him out.

Paraphrasing: "Hey, if Fried pitches well we win that game."

Lmao he didn't pitch well and on top of it that's not even true. 

[Laika]

1 minute ago, Terminator said:

Hopefully yesterday's bullpen performance was just guys knocking off some cobwebs after not pitching for over week.

I expect us to play very well tomorrow but if the Yanks pull that game out, we've got a bullpen game for Game 4. 

I am pretty confident in our bullpen games. We've got a deep pen with a lot of good options to mix and match throughout a game.

But that requires using some of your B relievers and they shook my trust a little last night.

Hoffman, Dominguez, Y Rod, Little, Fisher, Varland, Fluharty, Nance

They might be able to go the whole game without using Lauer or Bruihl. Just need someone to go 2 innings. Or 2 guys to split 3 innings. 

[sliderguy35]

54 minutes ago, max silver said:

Have you been able to lay eyes on Yesavage's curveball to check out the movement profile? 

I don't think he's thrown a single curveball this year in the big leagues or minors. it's probably the next step in his development though to see if he can get anything that moves with negative vertical break to a usable velocity.

1 hour ago, Laika said:

I literally can't find a good comp for him or his slider on statcast 

You can sort by arm angle and see a bunch of guys who throw way over the top, but all of them seem to get more standard movement on their sliders, even if it's just a few inches glove side, and they commonly also have cutters, sweepers, curves. 

You can sort by slider movement and most of the guys who throw stuff that all moves to the right are guys who throw from 3/4 or much lower. Devin Williams, Jose Urena, these guys have sub 30 degree arm angles. 

Really hard to find a good comp. You just end up on random imperfect comps like 2024 Zach Plesac or Dauri Moreta or something. 

comps are weird. he throws like mat latos but he doesn't pitch like mat latos (latos could get the ball to move glove-side). 

i think the comp i've landed on is robbie ray, but if you traded a slightly worse fastball for an elite 3rd pitch. they're both heavy pronators with spotty command and carry fastballs that are effective through playing with angles (ray is more cross-fire with his delivery, yesavage is just straight over the top). ray's slider doesn't have as much arm-side movement as yesavage, but he struggles to get to the glove-side too.

already having the elite 3rd pitch is huge though. i'm on record saying that I don't have a lot of faith in how the jays develop pitchers internally (they're really good at maximizing what pitchers already do well, but not so much at helping them develop new weapons) so i'm hoping that he's able to keep getting better. 

[bronson44]

I love this board

[Spanky__99]

1 hour ago, SeranthonySantander said:

He is having better results in the majors than his combined minor league stats.  Not looking into underlying stuff now.

 

wonder if he has just progressed

Hopefully he can do it a few more times this year and can be a solid 3/4 starter going forward

I don't mean to jump the cart here, but did you watch that game last night? That's Ace upside friendo, a 3 or 4 don't walk into a Post Season game and shove like that, it just doesn't happen.

[Terminator]

"Hopefully Trey The Savage can settle in as a #4" is only said by a man who just got burnt by Alek Manoah lol

[SeranthonySantander]

4 minutes ago, Spanky__99 said:

I don't mean to jump the cart here, but did you watch that game last night? That's Ace upside friendo, a 3 or 4 don't walk into a Post Season game and shove like that, it just doesn't happen.

yea definitely ace upside but we should not be disappointed if he isn’t an ace.  After manoah we should be happy if we have ourselves a 3rd starter who pitches year after year.  A number 1 would be a bonus and save us 150m which is nice.

 

didnt Aaron Sanchez have a couple really good years and then kind of disappear as well?

[Governator]

You know... it's one thing to break records against Colorado but to do it against the Yankees in the postseason is something special.  It's been a glorious season regardless of the outcome at this point for me.  

[Spanky__99]

4 minutes ago, SeranthonySantander said:

yea definitely ace upside but we should not be disappointed if he isn’t an ace.  After manoah we should be happy if we have ourselves a 3rd starter who pitches year after year.  A number 1 would be a bonus and save us 150m which is nice.

 

didnt Aaron Sanchez have a couple really good years and then kind of disappear as well?

Manoah was smoke and mirrors, under the hood not so much to love, most people figured he'd regress to his mean but he did and some. No, Aaron Sanchez had 1 season where his BB% wasn't atrocious, anyhow, my point stands, this guy might have the best pitch in the game as Laika's already entailed. Not to mention I'm trying to keep the cart behind the horse.

 

[Governator]

You guys are micro-analyzing this a bit too much. It's an off day, enjoy the moment because we don't get these often.

[Spanky__99]

Just sayin' 

 

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Combined with scoring the final eight runs in Game 1, the Blue Jays became the first team to score 20 straight runs without allowing one within a series in postseason history, according to ESPN Research. Their 23 runs in the series are the most in the first two games of a series in postseason history.

 

[Masterbather]

People trying to map out this kid's career after four starts.

Let's see what happens after the league gets a look at him. I'm sure he still has adjustments of his own to make.

He destroyed New York, shoved pretty hard against Tampa, but Kansas City didn't seem too impressed by him and he did fall behind in the count often yesterday, something he probably needs to continue to work on.

Let's enjoy the moment, let's hope this ride continues and let's just see what happens. 

Hopefully at least we can continue to use the element of surprise with him against two more teams this postseason🤞🏻

[Terminator]

Pete Walker up to his old tricks

[Vancouverite]

4 hours ago, SeranthonySantander said:

He is having better results in the majors than his combined minor league stats.  Not looking into underlying stuff now.

 

wonder if he has just progressed

Hopefully he can do it a few more times this year and can be a solid 3/4 starter going forward

solid 3/4 starter? i think he can be a cy young type, his splitter might be the best pitch in baseball

Let's just hope he remains to stay humble and keeps that drive to strive and continue to improve. 

[max silver]

1 hour ago, Masterbather said:

People trying to map out this kid's career after four starts.

Let's see what happens after the league gets a look at him. I'm sure he still has adjustments of his own to make.

He destroyed New York, shoved pretty hard against Tampa, but Kansas City didn't seem too impressed by him and he did fall behind in the count often yesterday, something he probably needs to continue to work on.

Let's enjoy the moment, let's hope this ride continues and let's just see what happens. 

Hopefully at least we can continue to use the element of surprise with him against two more teams this postseason🤞🏻

It seems a little rich for you to be suggesting for other posters to pump the brakes after chastising the front office repeatedly for not calling up Yesavage earlier to act as a saviour for the rotation.

[Terminator]

4 minutes ago, max silver said:

It seems a little rich for you to be suggesting for other posters to pump the brakes after chastising the front office repeatedly for not calling up Yesavage earlier to act as a saviour for the rotation.

Wow, normally I feel like I'm the one who has to Sheriff the Masturbator and his poor behavior but Max is doing such a good job I no longer feel the need. Well done sir!

[Terminator]

The Yankees are gassed. They are all at home planning their Cancun vacations.

Put them out of their misery tomorrow with another blowout and let's end this thing. It's best for all parties involved.

[max silver]

12 minutes ago, Terminator said:

Wow, normally I feel like I'm the one who has to Sheriff the Masturbator and his poor behavior but Max is doing such a good job I no longer feel the need. Well done sir!

I'm more than happy to serve as Deputy to the board sheriff when he's unavailable for duty. 

[Masterbather]

19 minutes ago, max silver said:

It seems a little rich for you to be suggesting for other posters to pump the brakes after chastising the front office repeatedly for not calling up Yesavage earlier to act as a saviour for the rotation.

Are you kidding me? Of course I wanted to call him up because he's our top prospect he's pitching great and we needed the help! I thought it was important that we take a look at him against major leaguers and figure out if he could help.

I think that was a totally legitimate ask and I was annoyed that it took them so long to do it.

But now you're going to criticize me for not announcing after four starts that he's going to win a Cy Young award? This is a real criticism now? That's totally unhinged to do something like that. 

 

[Masterbather]

20 minutes ago, Terminator said:

Wow, normally I feel like I'm the one who has to Sheriff the Masturbator and his poor behavior but Max is doing such a good job I no longer feel the need. Well done sir!

Wow everyone's gone unhinged. 

How the f*** is it poor behavior to temper expectations? People have flipped their lid.

Sometimes I think I'm on Reddit.

[Terminator]

Just now, Masterbather said:

Wow everyone's gone unhinged. 

How the f*** is it poor behavior to temper expectations? People have flipped their lid.

Sometimes I think I'm on Reddit.

I'm just kidding around but it's not just the Yesavage comments. He's been blasting you for your Yankee fluffing too.

[Terminator]

Fangraphs LDS Odds as of today:

• Jays: 85.1% - Yankees: 14.9%
• Mariners: 58.4% - Tigers: 41.6%

• Dodgers: 74.7% - Phillies: 25.3%
• Brewers: 67.7% - Cubs 32.3%

 

[max silver]

9 minutes ago, Masterbather said:

Are you kidding me? Of course I wanted to call him up because he's our top prospect he's pitching great and we needed the help! I thought it was important that we take a look at him against major leaguers and figure out if he could help.

I think that was a totally legitimate ask and I was annoyed that it took them so long to do it.

But now you're going to criticize me for not announcing after four starts that he's going to win a Cy Young award? This is a real criticism now? That's totally unhinged to do something like that. 

 

Do you have a properly functioning brain? You literally have no self awareness, as you were completely torching the front office for not calling up Yesavage after a start or two in AAA and insisting that he had to be called up immediately no matter whether the front office deemed him ready for the callup or not. It's completely hypocritical for you to try to act like other people need to temper their expectations in this situation. You've been serving up s*** sandwich posts all season long and you are going to need to lay in the bed that you've made for yourself as a result.  

[Spanky__99]

2 hours ago, Masterbather said:

People trying to map out this kid's career after four starts.

Let's see what happens after the league gets a look at him. I'm sure he still has adjustments of his own to make.

He destroyed New York, shoved pretty hard against Tampa, but Kansas City didn't seem too impressed by him and he did fall behind in the count often yesterday, something he probably needs to continue to work on.

Let's enjoy the moment, let's hope this ride continues and let's just see what happens. 

Hopefully at least we can continue to use the element of surprise with him against two more teams this postseason🤞🏻

 

14 minutes ago, Masterbather said:

Are you kidding me? Of course I wanted to call him up because he's our top prospect he's pitching great and we needed the help! I thought it was important that we take a look at him against major leaguers and figure out if he could help.

I think that was a totally legitimate ask and I was annoyed that it took them so long to do it.

But now you're going to criticize me for not announcing after four starts that he's going to win a Cy Young award? This is a real criticism now? That's totally unhinged to do something like that. 

 

 

13 minutes ago, Masterbather said:

Wow everyone's gone unhinged. 

How the f*** is it poor behavior to temper expectations? People have flipped their lid.

Sometimes I think I'm on Reddit.