2025 Trade Deadline

[jmomcc]

Kellar is a good contract obviously and he probably starts a playoff game for us but i'm not sure he is that far ahead of say bassitt as people generally think. He also would probably replace Lauer in the rotation, who is performing really well. It might allow you to leave berrios off a playoff roster?
 

Also some signs of subtle decline. Velo is down just over a tick on the fastball and sinker over the last two years. Stuff+ numbers are correspondingly down. 2023 seems like a real high water mark for him. 
 

Seems like more of a move for next year more than this? 

If we are willing to do this and get bednar, and a couple of other bullpen arms, that's good though. 

[John_Havok]

4 hours ago, jmomcc said:

Kellar is a good contract obviously and he probably starts a playoff game for us but i'm not sure he is that far ahead of say bassitt as people generally think. He also would probably replace Lauer in the rotation, who is performing really well. It might allow you to leave berrios off a playoff roster?
 

Also some signs of subtle decline. Velo is down just over a tick on the fastball and sinker over the last two years. Stuff+ numbers are correspondingly down. 2023 seems like a real high water mark for him. 
 

Seems like more of a move for next year more than this? 

If we are willing to do this and get bednar, and a couple of other bullpen arms, that's good though. 

They'd have to add more pen arms if we want to run without an ace, which, barring some crafty brilliance from Atkins, seems very likely. 

Going into the playoffs hypothetically with a troupe of starters that have to have quick hooks and the pen becomes that much more important. 

Right now I think the leverage guys are Hoffman, Little and Yariel at the top along with Yimi (if he comes back). 

Fisher is earning his way up there too, but not quite there yet. 

Green, Bruihl and Nance are the clear bottom 3 right now and as much as we hate it, Green is still gonna be used as if he's in the top tier. He's not getting traded either. Pina is a DFA waiting to happen. 

Adding 1 top shelf reliever DFAs Pina and gives them 5 pen guys they're not really afraid to use at any time. Adding 2 would be ideal imo. Bruihl can ge demoted, and use some 40 man guys in the trades to keep that even. 

 

 

[Jonn]

Lets get Eugenio Suárez in a Jays uniform by Monday.

[Eat My Shatkins]

At this point if it was a choice between adding another mid rotation starter and a high leverage  relief arm or add two high leverage relief arms, I pick option two.

I agree with John havoc, it's hard to spend assets to add another mid rotation starter when we already have 5 of those and potentially Manoah coming back as well. If everyone stays healthy, who do you boot from the rotation right now? Lauer would be the easy answer but he's been the best starter for a while now.

DeGrom would be such a perfect addition. 

[hanton]

Dodgers could be very active on the pitching front - they're kind of a mess right now.

They are 24th in the league fWAR for Starting Pitchers

Jays are 26th

[hanton]

Call Seattle and see if middle relief pitcher Casey Legumina is available. Give them Barger haha

[jmomcc]

7 hours ago, John_Havok said:

They'd have to add more pen arms if we want to run without an ace, which, barring some crafty brilliance from Atkins, seems very likely. 

Going into the playoffs hypothetically with a troupe of starters that have to have quick hooks and the pen becomes that much more important. 

Right now I think the leverage guys are Hoffman, Little and Yariel at the top along with Yimi (if he comes back). 

Fisher is earning his way up there too, but not quite there yet. 

Green, Bruihl and Nance are the clear bottom 3 right now and as much as we hate it, Green is still gonna be used as if he's in the top tier. He's not getting traded either. Pina is a DFA waiting to happen. 

Adding 1 top shelf reliever DFAs Pina and gives them 5 pen guys they're not really afraid to use at any time. Adding 2 would be ideal imo. Bruihl can ge demoted, and use some 40 man guys in the trades to keep that even. 

 

 

I'd agree with this. Go hard on the bullpen. If anything they should dfa green. The others have options. 

[jmomcc]

3 hours ago, hanton said:

Dodgers could be very active on the pitching front - they're kind of a mess right now.

They are 24th in the league fWAR for Starting Pitchers

Jays are 26th

Dodgers have so much pitching injured. I'd try to figure out if they do have a 40 man crunch coming and if we can grab someone with options. 

[Abomination]

1 hour ago, jmomcc said:

Dodgers have so much pitching injured. I'd try to figure out if they do have a 40 man crunch coming and if we can grab someone with options. 

He's not a pitcher, but I'd love to snag Outman and see if we could fix his strikeout issues.

[hanton]

6 hours ago, jmomcc said:

Dodgers have so much pitching injured. I'd try to figure out if they do have a 40 man crunch coming and if we can grab someone with options. 

Yes, they're one of the few teams that run into this quite often.  Snell and Treinen will be back this month Muncy as well, all the other pitchers are either out all of this season or back in late August

[John_Havok]

9 hours ago, jmomcc said:

I'd agree with this. Go hard on the bullpen. If anything they should dfa green. The others have options. 

I think this because it would be a benefit in the playoffs, how many times do we see games 5-7 in a series and the hitters are seeing the same relievers for the 3rd or even 4th times? That's not a good scenario. To my thinking it's better to have at least 6 guys you trust in nearly every situation; not quite 6 "closers" as that would really difficult to pull off, but 6 guys where you can mix and match at your leasure without overusing them. Plus, with only 4 starters being used, you get that extra arm in the pen anyways. Of course there will always be the top 1 or 2, but keeping the other team from seeing them multiple times in a series is definitely a good thing. 

[Laika]

Apparently the Jays asked for ONeil Cruz during the trade talks with the Pirates 

[jmomcc]

20 minutes ago, Laika said:

Apparently the Jays asked for ONeil Cruz during the trade talks with the Pirates 

Any rumour what the full trade would look like? 

Cherington is rumoured to be fired soon. 

[hanton]

Big time sellers market right now. 

Dodgers entering desparate mode for high leverage arms, Scott going for an MRI and Yates is sucking. 

 

[Terminator]

3 hours ago, Laika said:

Apparently the Jays asked for ONeil Cruz during the trade talks with the Pirates 

That would be amazing if we could get him

[Laika]

Here is a crazy trade to think about again:

July 20 2012

J.A. Happ was traded to the Toronto Blue Jays along with Brandon Lyon, and David Carpenter, for Francisco Cordero, Ben Francisco, Asher Wojciechowski, David Rollins, Joe Musgrove, Carlos Pérez, and Kevin Comer.

At the time of the trade Happ had a 4.83 ERA and the year prior it was 5.35. 

Such an aggressive deal. No top prospects in context but obviously Musgrove was coveted and he would go on to be very good and a big part of Houston's Gerrit Cole deal. Toronto might have traded 3 or 4 prospects from their top 20 list for SP4/5 Happ and a reliever. 

[Laika]

Passan says Shane Bieber is available 

Interesting analysis. Currently rehabbing. Has a $16M player option with a $4M buyout for 2026. 

Was actually an Ace once, unlike the fraud Manoah who is on the same rehab timeline. 

[jmomcc]

Listening to rates and barrells. Eno was saying starter the main thing and thinks our rotation is our big weakness. Thinks we should try to trade guys who came up to majors this years and showed something while they are hotter commodities. Presumable excluding barger. 

[John_Havok]

6 minutes ago, jmomcc said:

Listening to rates and barrells. Eno was saying starter the main thing and thinks our rotation is our big weakness. Thinks we should try to trade guys who came up to majors this years and showed something while they are hotter commodities. Presumable excluding barger. 

Im sure thats the plan. 

Pretty much all the guys they got at last years deadline are in play, plus guys like Roden

Im just wondering which of the pitching prospects are most likely gone in 8 days. 

Probably at least 1 of Rojas, Stanifer. Stephen, King... and probably more. 

I think they try to hang on to Yesavage unless the target is just too good to pass on. Ricky Ts injury probably keeps him safe...

[Laika]

Sandy Alcantara shoved today against the Padres. 

I think he's the guy to target, unless there is some surprise Ace or SP2 like DeGrom to be had. 

Alcantara has been bad but the stuff is largely still there

[John_Havok]

10 minutes ago, Laika said:

Sandy Alcantara shoved today against the Padres. 

I think he's the guy to target, unless there is some surprise Ace or SP2 like DeGrom to be had. 

Alcantara has been bad but the stuff is largely still there

K, let's assume hes the guy. Which arms are you willing to part with?

[hanton]

Passan says Twins are asking for 2 top 100 prospects for Jax or Duran. 

Nimmala 

Ricky tee

Yesavage 

hmm.... 

[Terminator]

19 minutes ago, Laika said:

Sandy Alcantara shoved today against the Padres. 

I think he's the guy to target, unless there is some surprise Ace or SP2 like DeGrom to be had. 

Alcantara has been bad but the stuff is largely still there

Yeah I like him too. 

• Buying low on 2022 CY winner
• 2.5 years of control
• Just had TJS so he's unlikely to blow out his elbow for the remainder of his deal
• Good fit- never a huge K guy so our elite defense helps him more than most
• 75th percentile outcome he stabilizes the rotation and is a Bassitt replacement next year
• 25th percentile outcome he regains most of his lost form and is an SP2

Go get him.

[jmomcc]

If someone looks at Jax and thinks he could be a starter next year...? Might be worth it. He is nasty. 
 

I still want Severino. The contract makes him gettable and he could be a top 3 guy for us pretty easily imo. 

[Laika]

4 minutes ago, John_Havok said:

K, let's assume hes the guy. Which arms are you willing to part with?

None of the better ones. TBH part of the appeal of Sandy is that he might not cost an arm and a leg because of the performance so far. 

They can have Loperfido or Roden + Watts-Brown + Orelvis. Maybe Bloss slides in there somewhere. 

I am too attached to Yesavage, King, Stephen, Stanifer, Rojas.

[Laika]

9 minutes ago, Terminator said:

Yeah I like him too. 

• Buying low on 2022 CY winner
• 2.5 years of control
• Just had TJS so he's unlikely to blow out his elbow for the remainder of his deal
• Good fit- never a huge K guy so our elite defense helps him more than most
• 75th percentile outcome he stabilizes the rotation and is a Bassitt replacement next year
• 25th percentile outcome he regains most of his lost form and is an SP2

Go get him.

Yeah even if he never bounces back, he's probably an SP3

Sandy and Mitch Keller have similar projections but I don't see the upside with Keller. 95 Stuff+ for MK. 106 Stuff+ for SA. 

[jmomcc]

4 minutes ago, Laika said:

None of the better ones. TBH part of the appeal of Sandy is that he might not cost an arm and a leg because of the performance so far. 

They can have Loperfido or Roden + Watts-Brown + Orelvis. Maybe Bloss slides in there somewhere. 

I am too attached to Yesavage, King, Stephen, Stanifer, Rojas.

My immediate reaction to this is yes yes yes do it now. Probably means its too light. 

[glory]

Yeah I've been on the "get Sandy" bandwagon as well, he just fits perfectly with upside to match, but if the Marlins are holding out for a 2022 Sandy trade return, then it becomes less appealing. Curious to see what it would take to get him. 

[AMS528]

4 hours ago, Laika said:

Here is a crazy trade to think about again:

July 20 2012

J.A. Happ was traded to the Toronto Blue Jays along with Brandon Lyon, and David Carpenter, for Francisco Cordero, Ben Francisco, Asher Wojciechowski, David Rollins, Joe Musgrove, Carlos Pérez, and Kevin Comer.

At the time of the trade Happ had a 4.83 ERA and the year prior it was 5.35. 

Such an aggressive deal. No top prospects in context but obviously Musgrove was coveted and he would go on to be very good and a big part of Houston's Gerrit Cole deal. Toronto might have traded 3 or 4 prospects from their top 20 list for SP4/5 Happ and a reliever. 

Yeah people forget how wild that deal was because Happ had a second go around with us where he was a stud. But we traded him away first before that happened. 

Kevin Comer must have looked so bad, because we had just handed him a huge bonus from what I remember and immediately gave up on him. 

Also we had just an endless amount of pitching prospects to trade back then. AA's strength for sure (and even in Atlanta generally). 

[max silver]

24 minutes ago, jmomcc said:

If someone looks at Jax and thinks he could be a starter next year...? Might be worth it. He is nasty. 
 

I still want Severino. The contract makes him gettable and he could be a top 3 guy for us pretty easily imo. 

I'm lukewarm on Severino. My concern with him is that despite the high end velocity he's morphed into a pitch to contact guy. I thought that this could be due to a poorly optimized pitch mix but he's simply not garnering whiffs with any of his offerings this season.