Jays "All In" On Roki Sasaki

[L54]

4 minutes ago, jaysblue said:

Woo

[InsideThePark]

You're allowed to sign "prospects" to MLB contract extensions before they've played a single MLB game a la Jon Singleton. Even a Cy Young caliber pitcher isn't going to make more than 60 million through pre arb and arbitration. Something like 800k, 800k, 4 million, 10 million, 16 million, 25 million. Give him more than that for 6 years.

 

Sign him to the normal IFA contract, then immediately extend him for 6 years 80 or 100 million. If he's as good as everyone says he is he'll be worth way more than that, but he'll get more than he would by going the traditional route than I assume he'll go. This isn't some advantage that only the Jays can do or anything, but nobody seems to want to go that route. Ohtani only got about 40 million from the Angels over his 6 arb and pre arb years going mostly year by year. Sasaki going to turn down double that?

[Terminator]

It’s not the “all in” it’s the “hold on tight”

[max silver]

2 hours ago, jaysblue said:

 

L54 busting out the special moves. 

[Hegel]

I’ll believe it when Drake wears a Sasaki jersey.

[saskjayfan]

Signing Sasaki is all about breaking him down as a pitcher and laying out your plan to make him the greatest.  As far as starters, Ray, Matz, Stripling.  We've had some success over the years.  Our rotation has been the healthiest in the league for the last few years. The strength and conditioning department as well as how we've utilized our starters shouldn't be questioned.

I think the Jays will put an enticing presentation and package forward.  The problem is dodgers and San Diego will put forth good presentations as well and the tie breaker being sunny California and Japanese players to play with probably wins the day. 

[mphenhef]

Every team should be all in on Him.  He’s a potentially elite pitcher who has to sign a low valued contract while also opening up new marketing opportunities.  The real question is if they have a chance?

 

Pros for Toronto:

* direct flights to Japan

* great facilities

* great defenders 

* hard to say on this one but political climate may work in their favour for a foreign born player.

* Yusei vouching for how much he loved the city and org.

* perceived lack of attention in Toronto and Roku seems to want to be out of the limelight.

[mphenhef]

1 hour ago, saskjayfan said:

Signing Sasaki is all about breaking him down as a pitcher and laying out your plan to make him the greatest.  As far as starters, Ray, Matz, Stripling.  We've had some success over the years.  Our rotation has been the healthiest in the league for the last few years. The strength and conditioning department as well as how we've utilized our starters shouldn't be questioned.

I think the Jays will put an enticing presentation and package forward.  The problem is dodgers and San Diego will put forth good presentations as well and the tie breaker being sunny California and Japanese players to play with probably wins the day. 

At least for LA, he might prefer snow over wildfires right now.

[John_Havok]

Another factor for Sasaki perhaps not signing with the Dodgers and maybe going elsewhere... he'd probably make more in Japanese endorsements being the main Japanese player on a roster that doesn't have Ohtani on it.

[saskjayfan]

3 minutes ago, mphenhef said:

At least for LA, he might prefer snow over wildfires right now.

Honestly, Saskaki seems like a unique individual.  The thought of playing for a country might appeal to him.  As always I'm not getting my hopes up, but I won't say our chances are zero.  As much as I'm piling on Shatkins, this type of pursuit is probably in their wheelhouse.  For the the love of god Dannon, sign this kid!

[mphenhef]

8 hours ago, InsideThePark said:

You're allowed to sign "prospects" to MLB contract extensions before they've played a single MLB game a la Jon Singleton. Even a Cy Young caliber pitcher isn't going to make more than 60 million through pre arb and arbitration. Something like 800k, 800k, 4 million, 10 million, 16 million, 25 million. Give him more than that for 6 years.

 

Sign him to the normal IFA contract, then immediately extend him for 6 years 80 or 100 million. If he's as good as everyone says he is he'll be worth way more than that, but he'll get more than he would by going the traditional route than I assume he'll go. This isn't some advantage that only the Jays can do or anything, but nobody seems to want to go that route. Ohtani only got about 40 million from the Angels over his 6 arb and pre arb years going mostly year by year. Sasaki going to turn down double that?

This is not allowed in the CBA and I believe MLB has said they would penalize the team and void the contract if it was felt an agreement was made to circumvent the IFA limits.

[wilko]

[Brownie19]

3 hours ago, mphenhef said:

Every team should be all in on Him.  He’s a potentially elite pitcher who has to sign a low valued contract while also opening up new marketing opportunities.  

100%.  I'd be pissed off if the team I cheered for wasn't 100% in on trying to sign Roki. The only reason you wouldn't is if you're some cheap ass team without the resources or staff to do it - which would be sad.

Even if you only have a 5% chance of success - you still need to take your shot.

[wilko]

8 minutes ago, Brownie19 said:

100%.  I'd be pissed off if the team I cheered for wasn't 100% in on trying to sign Roki. The only reason you wouldn't is if you're some cheap ass team without the resources or staff to do it - which would be sad.

Even if you only have a 5% chance of success - you still need to take your shot.

Exactly. That's why I keep sending Sydney Sweeney DM's asking her out on a date. 

[Jonn]

It would be nice if one of these star Japanese free agents did something interesting for once instead of just going to LA or a big US market. But certainly not holding my breathe. They should be trying very hard to sign him though. 

[Terminator]

15 minutes ago, wilko said:

Exactly. That's why I keep sending Sydney Sweeney DM's asking her out on a date. 

[max silver]

50 minutes ago, wilko said:

Exactly. That's why I keep sending Sydney Sweeney DM's asking her out on a date. 

There's likely a fine line between persistent fan and stalker you know. 

[Spanky99]

13 hours ago, InsideThePark said:

You're allowed to sign "prospects" to MLB contract extensions before they've played a single MLB game a la Jon Singleton. Even a Cy Young caliber pitcher isn't going to make more than 60 million through pre arb and arbitration. Something like 800k, 800k, 4 million, 10 million, 16 million, 25 million. Give him more than that for 6 years.

 

Sign him to the normal IFA contract, then immediately extend him for 6 years 80 or 100 million. If he's as good as everyone says he is he'll be worth way more than that, but he'll get more than he would by going the traditional route than I assume he'll go. This isn't some advantage that only the Jays can do or anything, but nobody seems to want to go that route. Ohtani only got about 40 million from the Angels over his 6 arb and pre arb years going mostly year by year. Sasaki going to turn down double that?

Not in this instance are you allowed to do that, he's being posted as a MILB eligible player, hence the restraints. 

 

[SuperBlackhawk]

15 hours ago, jaysblue said:

My new favorite GIF. 🤤

Someone needs to crop out Kacey Musgraves and that dude. 😆

[jaysblue]

4 hours ago, wilko said:

Exactly. That's why I keep sending Sydney Sweeney DM's asking her out on a date. 

I can't wait to see Ana de Armas and Sydney Sweeney in Eden! 

[Pendleton]

It would be downright bizarre to me if any team wasn't putting their best foot forward to sign Sasaki. 

[Spanky99]

50 minutes ago, Pendleton said:

It would be downright bizarre to me if any team wasn't putting their best foot forward to sign Sasaki. 

Right? And he's just bumping up an old tweet from Dec. 2nd? Clickbait. Not surprised Chicken Little didn't notice... 🤪

[Jays24]

6 minutes ago, Spanky99 said:

Right? And he's just bumping up an old tweet from Dec. 2nd? Clickbait. Not surprised Chicken Little didn't notice... 🤪

Duuhhh... what does "hold on tight" mean to you drunkie lol. 

[Spanky99]

9 minutes ago, Jays24 said:

Duuhhh... what does "hold on tight" mean to you drunkie lol. 

We're nearing the deadline, no fawking shyte? Drunkie, you're lame as f***, dude.

[Jays24]

2 minutes ago, Spanky99 said:

We're nearing the deadline, no f***ing s***? Drunkie, you're lame as f***, dude.

It's we're nearing the deadline and bumping the report he made a month ago as a potential sign the Jays could land him.  It's just a simple tweet from someone who covers the Blue Jays... never seen a guy cry about news being shared.  You should disconnect in the off-season if it upsets you so much lol.  

And I guess you're cool calling someone Chicken Little :) 

[BatFlip]

20 hours ago, jaysblue said:

Can't stop watching

[BatFlip]

Sasaki may be a long shot, but we can dream.  He'd instantaneously change my outlook for the team.  

 

 

[InsideThePark]

8 hours ago, Spanky99 said:

Not in this instance are you allowed to do that, he's being posted as a MILB eligible player, hence the restraints. 

 

 

As soon as the ink dries on the IFA contract he's just like any other "prospect". If the Jays wanted to they could go offer Orelvis Martinez or Arjun Nimmala a 6 year contract extension right now. Sasaki would be no different. I'm not suggesting they sign him the way the Dodgers signed Yamamoto. That's not allowed because Sasaki is under 25 so he goes into the IFA bucket which is restricted. But once he's your player you can in theory extend him.

 

Someone else mentioned that the MLB has said they would frown upon that as circumvention of the IFA system. Which to be fair if it's agreed upon prior to the IFA signing then it is. But it seems weird to me to tell a team they're allowed to extend 1 "prospect" but not allowed to extend another. How long has to pass before it's no longer circumvention of the IFA system? He plays 1 year for league minimum and then you give him a 5 year contract? Is that allowed? The league can't force you to go year by year the way the Jays have done with Vladdy. At some point in the process before they reach 6 years service and become a free agent you're allowed to extend them. When? Should be immediately as long as there's no evidence that you did it to circumvent the system.

[Spanky99]

10 minutes ago, InsideThePark said:

 

As soon as the ink dries on the IFA contract he's just like any other "prospect". If the Jays wanted to they could go offer Orelvis Martinez or Arjun Nimmala a 6 year contract extension right now. Sasaki would be no different. I'm not suggesting they sign him the way the Dodgers signed Yamamoto. That's not allowed because Sasaki is under 25 so he goes into the IFA bucket which is restricted. But once he's your player you can in theory extend him.

 

Someone else mentioned that the MLB has said they would frown upon that as circumvention of the IFA system. Which to be fair if it's agreed upon prior to the IFA signing then it is. But it seems weird to me to tell a team they're allowed to extend 1 "prospect" but not allowed to extend another. How long has to pass before it's no longer circumvention of the IFA system? He plays 1 year for league minimum and then you give him a 5 year contract? Is that allowed? The league can't force you to go year by year the way the Jays have done with Vladdy. At some point in the process before they reach 6 years service and become a free agent you're allowed to extend them. When? Should be immediately as long as there's no evidence that you did it to circumvent the system.

Yes, if he were to play 1 year, you could extend him. That'd likely be enough for the MLB to think it isn't collusion, it's their call.

 

[Spanky99]

5 minutes ago, Spanky99 said:

How come we can't delete a post?