General Blue Jays Discussion Thread (2025)

[BB17]

5 hours ago, connorp2 said:

It’s ok to be wrong about something and look bad. No need to double down. He gets that contract all day long. 

I highly doubt he gets 500M guaranteed no deferrals and full NTC.  
 

If you want to take talk about being wrong on contracts looking the mirror about what you said about Kirk not being worth the $.

[max silver]

13 minutes ago, BB17 said:

I highly doubt he gets 500M guaranteed no deferrals and full NTC.  
 

If you want to take talk about being wrong on contracts looking the mirror about what you said about Kirk not being worth the $.

Um I think you're the last person who should be scolding someone else about Kirk's contract value after your insistence that he would certainly be paid more than $20 million per season.

[Masterbather]

3 hours ago, Spanky__99 said:

Springer DH'ing today 1-2 with a double and a BB 2 runs scored, I'm assuming he plays CF tomorrow and back on Friday.

Yesavage struggled with his command today, 1.2 IP 2 earnies, 1 hit 4BB and 3K's.

That's not encouraging. Those BB have to go down for him to have any chance to join the major league roster. 

[DonJays]

29 minutes ago, Masterbather said:

That's not encouraging. Those BB have to go down for him to have any chance to join the major league roster. 

It is his first start in AAA. It means literally nothing and this has been his pattern ever time he has moved up a level. 

[Masterbather]

2 hours ago, DonJays said:

It is his first start in AAA. It means literally nothing and this has been his pattern ever time he has moved up a level. 

Yeah, obviously nobody is giving up on the kid after one start. It also doesn't mean nothing. It's his first set of data points and we'll see where it goes.

[Masterbather]

Spanky lurking in the background because ooh I had the audacity to say four walks is not an encouraging start. Because it isn't.

That's not the equivalent of saying this kid's a complete flunky and should be burned at the stake. Except only in your warped mind.

You're a complete🤡.

But you keep me entertained so you have some value. 

[Grant77]

I was looking ahead at the probable pitchers and while we've faced the opposing team's best two pitchers in pretty much every series so far, including the next two, we might get a break in Miami. If they stay on turn, we'll miss both Alcantara and Cabrera.

[connorp2]

9 hours ago, BB17 said:

I highly doubt he gets 500M guaranteed no deferrals and full NTC.  
 

If you want to take talk about being wrong on contracts looking the mirror about what you said about Kirk not being worth the $.

He gets that money and more. If you want to do semantics about the NTC that may give your opinion a tiny sliver of reality, fine.

Unlike those people that kind of feel the Blues every day, I can admit when I’m wrong. That’s always how it’s going to be. Right on some, wrong on others. 

I used to be high on Kirk and then just lost belief in him as a hitter, I was also wrong thinking Hoffman was a great signing. I also thought Greene was worth the risk. 

I have definitely been right about Vlad and very much hating Giménez and Santander deals. 
 

 

 

[mphenhef]

49 minutes ago, Grant77 said:

I was looking ahead at the probable pitchers and while we've faced the opposing team's best two pitchers in pretty much every series so far, including the next two, we might get a break in Miami. If they stay on turn, we'll miss both Alcantara and Cabrera.

Isn't Eury Perez the pitcher you would want to miss over Alcantara?

[BB17]

10 hours ago, max silver said:

Um I think you're the last person who should be scolding someone else about Kirk's contract value after your insistence that he would certainly be paid more than $20 million per season.

I mean if he were to have hit FA after next season and put up a similar year as to he is having this year he most definitely would get over 20M a year for his FA years.

[Brownie19]

15 hours ago, Terminator said:

I never joined that slanderous witch hunt.

Have a look for yourself: https://jayscentre.com/forums/topic/95733-vlad-jr-to-indy-ball/

Most of my posts in that thread were about my love for Swiss Chalet or protecting the board from a mentally ill poster by putting on my badge and Sherriff-ing him off into the sunset.

When I did discuss Vlad, it was to defend him except one time when I needled some AA fanboys who were trashing the idea of extending Vlad while at the same time longing for the return of AA, a GM who never met a young player he didn't want to extend.

It's kinda fun to go back and read through some of the old iconic threads like this.  See what you and others were thinking about 5+ years ago.  Maybe that should be something we do more often?  Like once a month, bring back a really old active thread and mock each other about all the stupid stuff we used to say.

[Jays24]

I've seen enough, bring back Springer to DH tonight.  We need his bat in the lineup.  

[Grant77]

2 hours ago, mphenhef said:

Isn't Eury Perez the pitcher you would want to miss over Alcantara?

You could make that argument. Perez has looked pretty good as a rookie.

[BB17]

2 hours ago, connorp2 said:

He gets that money and more. If you want to do semantics about the NTC that may give your opinion a tiny sliver of reality, fine.

Unlike those people that kind of feel the Blues every day, I can admit when I’m wrong. That’s always how it’s going to be. Right on some, wrong on others. 

I used to be high on Kirk and then just lost belief in him as a hitter, I was also wrong thinking Hoffman was a great signing. I also thought Greene was worth the risk. 

I have definitely been right about Vlad and very much hating Giménez and Santander deals. 
 

 

 

I still disagree but I guess we won't ever really know. Tucker this offseason should be a pretty good comp as their production is pretty similar all be it he's 2 years older.

Kudos to admitting defeat as its tough for some people on this board lol. Yeah I fell victim to Hoffman's first month as well. I think they key is its a pretty long season and its easy to get caught up in the moment. I still don't mind the Giminez deal. He's been hurt which has killed a lot of his season but when he's played he's been a lot better than his numbers would suggest. The team is going to need a SS by next year and its clear Bo can't be one anymore so him moving there should shore up the position. I see him being a 3-4 WAR SS which is honestly good value on his contract.

[Masterbather]

3 hours ago, Grant77 said:

I was looking ahead at the probable pitchers and while we've faced the opposing team's best two pitchers in pretty much every series so far, including the next two, we might get a break in Miami. If they stay on turn, we'll miss both Alcantara and Cabrera.

Well as much as it sucks having to continue to face these pitchers and watch the offense look mostly inept, it's tremendous preparation for the postseason. You just hope nobody loses their mojo because it's a confidence killing couple of weeks.

And of course you hope it doesn't cost you too much in the standings.

[Grant77]

30 minutes ago, Masterbather said:

Well as much as it sucks having to continue to face these pitchers and watch the offense look mostly inept, it's tremendous preparation for the postseason. You just hope nobody loses their mojo because it's a confidence killing couple of weeks.

And of course you hope it doesn't cost you too much in the standings.

I wouldn't say that it has been mostly inept. Since the break, we're first place in wRC+ at 142, even ahead of the Brewers. In that time we've faced a ridiculous about of Cy Young winners or finalists in Verlander, Webb, Ray, Rodon, Fried, Lugo, Kershaw, Snell, Glasnow.

It's really been quite impressive facing what I would imagine is the best pitching that any team in the league has seen and still coming out on top.

[Laika]

For those wondering about removing the COL series from that sample...

130 wRC+ July 18th to August 3rd (2nd in baseball)
84 wRC+ since leaving Colorado (19th) with an uncharacteristic 25.9% K rate

Really, you can argue that Toronto's offense has been neutralized during the last four non-Colorado series. Baltimore and KC largely held the bats in check before they went to Denver, and so did LA and Chicago afterwards. 45 runs in those 13 games, 3.46 per game. Not great. 

Offense is scuffling. Need George back. Need Barger and Kirk to get going again. 

[Masterbather]

8 minutes ago, Grant77 said:

I wouldn't say that it has been mostly inept. Since the break, we're first place in wRC+ at 142, even ahead of the Brewers. In that time we've faced a ridiculous about of Cy Young winners or finalists in Verlander, Webb, Ray, Rodon, Fried, Lugo, Kershaw, Snell, Glasnow.

It's really been quite impressive facing what I would imagine is the best pitching that any team in the league has seen and still coming out on top.

It started off well, but it hasn't been very good recently. Especially lately. 

I understand it's tough to beat good pitching but it's been a little disheartening seeing how much capitulation there has been from our offense.

[metafour]

12 minutes ago, Masterbather said:

It started off well, but it hasn't been very good recently. Especially lately. 

I understand it's tough to beat good pitching but it's been a little disheartening seeing how much capitulation there has been from our offense.

Oh no, we've been exposed and we suck again! Mastert*rder was right all along!

These dudes are grasping at straws at this point LMAO.

Any other brilliant predictions, tips?

[Masterbather]

35 minutes ago, metafour said:

Oh no, we've been exposed and we suck again! Mastert*rder was right all along!

These dudes are grasping at straws at this point LMAO.

Any other brilliant predictions, tips?

You okay? You having an aneurysm or something? That's a pretty extreme reaction for a pretty light comment.

Take a pill or something. Relax.

[Governator]

1 hour ago, Masterbather said:

It started off well, but it hasn't been very good recently. Especially lately. 

I understand it's tough to beat good pitching but it's been a little disheartening seeing how much capitulation there has been from our offense.

How were you expecting the last couple of series to go?  Keeping in mind, who was on the mound.

[max silver]

6 hours ago, BB17 said:

I mean if he were to have hit FA after next season and put up a similar year as to he is having this year he most definitely would get over 20M a year for his FA years.

Maybe although that would depend on how he finishes the season offensively. His last few months are rough as he's struggled to an 87 wRC+, but I do have confidence he'll reverse his fortunes at the plate eventually.

[Grant77]

3 hours ago, Masterbather said:

It started off well, but it hasn't been very good recently. Especially lately. 

I understand it's tough to beat good pitching but it's been a little disheartening seeing how much capitulation there has been from our offense.

Are you speaking of the last 6 games? Keep in mind that 2 of them were Cy Young award winners and two were against excellent pitchers in Glasnow and Boyd. We scored against Assad and sure, we should have lit up Horton, but I'm not particularly concerned about a 6 game sample that came directly after the best offensive performance in franchise history.

[BB17]

22 minutes ago, max silver said:

Maybe although that would depend on how he finishes the season offensively. His last few months are rough as he's struggled to an 87 wRC+, but I do have confidence he'll reverse his fortunes at the plate eventually.

JS would do well to give him for full days off. I think there is some wear and tear/fatigue going on which as a C is to be expected. Doesn't help that JS is using him to PH on his scheduled off days as you aren't really getting a full rest day,

Its a tough balance as you want to do as much as you can to win the game but I think you do need to prioritize some rest for some of these players. Bo as well has looked pretty sluggish lately.

[Masterbather]

1 hour ago, Governator said:

How were you expecting the last couple of series to go?  Keeping in mind, who was on the mound.

I was hoping for a little more fight. I didn't expect to score a lot of runs but given how we had done against outstanding pitching previously this season, I thought there might be a little more battle.

[Masterbather]

15 minutes ago, Grant77 said:

Are you speaking of the last 6 games? Keep in mind that 2 of them were Cy Young award winners and two were against excellent pitchers in Glasnow and Boyd. We scored against Assad and sure, we should have lit up Horton, but I'm not particularly concerned about a 6 game sample that came directly after the best offensive performance in franchise history.

Coming out of the All-Star break we faced some tough pitching but I thought there was a little bit more pushback, even against Skubal, they fought him hard even if they didn't score runs. I know we're missing Springer, but still.

[max silver]

7 minutes ago, BB17 said:

JS would do well to give him for full days off. I think there is some wear and tear/fatigue going on which as a C is to be expected. Doesn't help that JS is using him to PH on his scheduled off days as you aren't really getting a full rest day,

Its a tough balance as you want to do as much as you can to win the game but I think you do need to prioritize some rest for some of these players. Bo as well has looked pretty sluggish lately.

Yeah that seems possible that both of Bo and Kirk are wearing down a bit. Bo tends to go through defensive slumps at times where he's bobbling more plays in the field so I'm confident he'll clean this up in time. In past seasons he tended to have a few games/weeks where he made a bunch of miscues in the field and then played slightly above average defense to allow the metrics to tick back up towards neutral. This season the diminished range in the field hasn't allowed the metrics to recover once he's emerged from the slump. I'm hoping that a healthy offseason to work on improving his explosiveness/athleticism at short stop can help to recover some of the lost range instead of needing to rehabilitate from leg injuries but that might be wishful thinking on my part. 

[max silver]

3 minutes ago, Masterbather said:

Coming out of the All-Star break we faced some tough pitching but I thought there was a little bit more pushback, even against Skubal, they fought him hard even if they didn't score runs. I know we're missing Springer, but still.

I think the team is just going through a bit of a team wide offensive slump. They weren't going to continue scoring 5-6 runs/game on average over the entire season, particularly given the number of AAA reinforcements being featured on the roster. I do think that once Springer is back and locked in he will provide a massive boost to the offense, and that will finally put the roster closer to full strength for the stretch run.

[R.O.]

 

[hanton]