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LETS GO BLUE JAYS *CLAP, CLAP* *CLAP, CLAP, CLAP*

 

LETS GO BLUE JAYS *CLAP, CLAP* *CLAP, CLAP, CLAP*

 

LETS GO BLUE JAYS *CLAP, CLAP* *CLAP, CLAP, CLAP*

 

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I missed the start -- why isn't Bassitt starting/why are we going opener tonight?

 

Double header on Monday. Bloss will pitch one of those games and they are in the middle of 17 straight games, that's why.

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Ernie, again lol... dude's on fire. 4-0... Jays hittin' tonight.

 

Nutty pitch location lol. Dude is playing slo-pitch softball

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Kirky finding that stroke for sure, great to see. :cool:

 

Big development for the Jays. He's up to a 89 wRC+. If he's a 100-110 bat, then he'll be a big part of the Jays future.

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Big development for the Jays. He's up to a 89 wRC+. If he's a 100-110 bat, then he'll be a big part of the Jays future.

Yup, his May, July/August have been sick, more consistency and your set with his D.

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I'd nickname Kirk, Speed Kills!

 

His numbers are very similar to Russel Martin's first few years, and Russell also had a couple of years in his mid 20s where something was bothering him and he was powerless.

 

Martin's WAR was higher because he was getting insane defense scores (Kirk's are very good, better than Varsho per game, but not as good as Martin's). I wonder how much of that is just the other catchers getting better at framing, so the amount above average for a good framer is less than it used to be.

 

Kind of funny but Russell sort of switched to more of a 20 homer .230 guy with a higher k rate after really struggling as a low power contact hitter (except for one Random season with Pittsburgh where he returned to being an on base machine).

 

According to fangraphs I think Kirk is one of the top 3 defensive players in the game, per game. All 3 are catchers though so maybe the system rewards catchers disproportionally.

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His numbers are very similar to Russel Martin's first few years, and Russell also had a couple of years in his mid 20s where something was bothering him and he was powerless.

 

Martin's WAR was higher because he was getting insane defense scores (Kirk's are very good, better than Varsho per game, but not as good as Martin's). I wonder how much of that is just the other catchers getting better at framing, so the amount above average for a good framer is less than it used to be.

 

Kind of funny but Russell sort of switched to more of a 20 homer .230 guy with a higher k rate after really struggling as a low power contact hitter (except for one Random season with Pittsburgh where he returned to being an on base machine).

 

According to fangraphs I think Kirk is one of the top 3 defensive players in the game, per game. All 3 are catchers though so maybe the system rewards catchers disproportionally.

 

Possible, but they also get far more opportunities to show their defensive usefulness (framing) than any other position.

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Big development for the Jays. He's up to a 89 wRC+. If he's a 100-110 bat, then he'll be a big part of the Jays future.

 

Kirk had a tremendously bad first two weeks of the season that he's still working his way back from. Over his first 13 games/50 PA he was sitting at a -1 wRC+/-0.2 FWAR. Since then he's produced a 109 wRC+/2.0 FWAR in 227 PA. It doesn't feel like he's ever really fully hit his stride this season offensively but the quality of contact has been very solid and it feels like a hot streak has been just around the corner for a good chunk of the season.

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Kirk had a tremendously bad first two weeks of the season that he's still working his way back from. Over his first 13 games/50 PA he was sitting at a -1 wRC+/-0.2 FWAR. Since then he's produced a 109 wRC+/2.0 FWAR in 227 PA. It doesn't feel like he's ever really fully hit his stride this season offensively but the quality of contact has been very solid and it feels like a hot streak has been just around the corner for a good chunk of the season.

 

More importantly than needing to dissect his season into chunks - slumps and hot streaks are just natural parts of the game - is that his expected results based on quality of contact has him looking like he should be closer to a 120 wRC+ bat. As a comparable to justify me pulling this number out of my ass, Horwitz has a .342 wOBA which translates into a 124 wRC+, Kirk is sitting at a .338 xwOBA on the season. If his brutally poor luck this season had translated into performance, we'd be looking at Kirk's season very favourably and feel extremely comfortable with him being our #1 option behind the dish next season. I mean, we still should be, but it would help to look at his raw line and see some prettier numbers.

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