Vladdy/Bo Extension or Trade Discussion

[Eat My Shatkins]

Shut the f*** up. You’re not as smart as you think you are

 

lol whatever you say IQ54

[L54]

lol whatever you say IQ54

 

Your IQ has to be even lower to be tonguing the fart box of Ross Atkins and Mark Shapiro. What a f***ing strange username to choose voluntarily

[Laika]

okay IQ54 is actually funny though

[L54]

Is it though?

[Laika]

Who are all the teams that realistically would trade for vlad right now that's looking for 1b/dh offensive boost? I think they'd also need money to spend in hopes of locking him up after if it works out. Red Sox maybe Padres? It's not like 15 teams are in play here.

 

Astros, Mariners, Brewers, Pirates, Red Sox, Twins, Cubs, Padres

 

Can probably rule out the Brewers and Pirates for financial reasons. Cubs are fringe contenders now so maybe not them. Red Sox, depends on Casas' medicals and that's an in-division trade so not likely at all. Twins have depth on offense so probably not them.

 

Astros, Mariners, Padres.

[AMS528]

Look at the post I originally responded to for f*** sakes, before you go all half cocked like this. The guy literally said trading Bo and Vlad would make our farm system "powerful". I disagreed.

 

Then you decided to chime in.

 

Yeah trading them would bring some prospects, but it's got a long ways to go before it's a high end system again.

 

Yeah I chimed in about how you were wrong that Vlad is a 1-2 WAR player and you responded with something entirely irrelevant to what I said.

[Laika]

I guess there are other possibilities. A team like the Giants could make a bid for Vlad. Cardinals.

 

One possibility is that the return for Vlad is one MLB piece + prospects. Like, the Giants throw Lamonte Wade into the deal (decent platoon 1B) or the Cardinals make Nootbaar part of the package.

[Eat My Shatkins]

Yeah I chimed in about how you were wrong that Vlad is a 1-2 WAR player and you responded with something entirely irrelevant to what I said.

 

Ok, fair enough.

 

Vlad had 1.3 fWAR last season and has 2 fWAR so far this season, we'll see where he ends up.

 

Hopefully I'm wrong and he continues his pace.

[Brownie19]

Astros, Mariners, Brewers, Pirates, Red Sox, Twins, Cubs, Padres

 

Can probably rule out the Brewers and Pirates for financial reasons. Cubs are fringe contenders now so maybe not them. Red Sox, depends on Casas' medicals and that's an in-division trade so not likely at all. Twins have depth on offense so probably not them.

 

Astros, Mariners, Padres.

 

Astros and Padres have s*** farm systems as per the gospel Bleacher Report. But Seattle has the #1 farm system in baseball - so let's pillage them!

[L54]

Yeah I chimed in about how you were wrong that Vlad is a 1-2 WAR player and you responded with something entirely irrelevant to what I said.

 

He’s just an angry little guy who has posted a whole lot less frequently once it became impossible to defend Ross Atkins

[glory]

The Mariners might be the team that would overpay for Vlad, and they have some interesting prospects (Ford, Montes, Emerson, Young). Would be curious to see what they would have offered if Vlad was available.

[Eat My Shatkins]

He’s just an angry little guy who has posted a whole lot less frequently once it became impossible to defend Ross Atkins

 

Haha, I'm an angry guy apparently but you're the one following me around having hissy fits and lashing out like a petulant child.

 

I even ignored the first one, but keep going if it makes you feel better sweet heart. I love a good laugh.

[L54]

The Mariners might be the team that would overpay for Vlad, and they have some interesting prospects (Ford, Montes, Emerson, Young). Would be curious to see what they would have offered if Vlad was available.

 

Trade Vlad to SEA to suppress his numbers and guarantee he won’t re sign there

 

150 games in Seattle for Vlad

 

.282/.344/.455 with 13 HR’s

[Brownie19]

Trade Vlad to SEA to suppress his numbers and guarantee he won’t re sign there

 

150 games in Seattle for Vlad

 

.282/.344/.455 with 13 HR’s

 

Sounds about right as Vlad won't be able to see very well or perform at T-Mobile Park. Then we can re-sign him when he hits the FA market in 2027!

[Carlos Danger]

Astros, Mariners, Brewers, Pirates, Red Sox, Twins, Cubs, Padres

 

Can probably rule out the Brewers and Pirates for financial reasons. Cubs are fringe contenders now so maybe not them. Red Sox, depends on Casas' medicals and that's an in-division trade so not likely at all. Twins have depth on offense so probably not them.

 

Astros, Mariners, Padres.

 

In will throw one more in there, similar situation as Boston. NYY

[Laika]

Trade Vlad to SEA to suppress his numbers and guarantee he won’t re sign there

 

150 games in Seattle for Vlad

 

.282/.344/.455 with 13 HR’s

 

Sounds about right as Vlad won't be able to see very well or perform at T-Mobile Park. Then we can re-sign him when he hits the FA market in 2027!

 

But they won't. They'll sign Rhys Hoskins on February 25th and then watch Vlad sign a pillow contract with the Dodgers one week later.

[Brownie19]

In will throw one more in there, similar situation as Boston. NYY

 

Nah - they don't have unlimited resources anymore. They'll be focused on bringing back Soto on a mega deal. Can't see it myself.

[Laika]

Nah - they don't have unlimited resources anymore. They'll be focused on bringing back Soto on a mega deal. Can't see it myself.

 

I guess they could do it

 

Soto - Dominguez - Judge in the OF

Stanton DH

Rice is the 1B

DJLM is just a DFA candidate, eat the contract

 

They could just consider Ben Rice to be a bench piece.

Spencer Jones is kind of s***ing the bed in the minors.

[Carlos Danger]

Nah - they don't have unlimited resources anymore. They'll be focused on bringing back Soto on a mega deal. Can't see it myself.

 

The Yankees have over $31 Million coming off the books in with just Rizzo and Torres by the time Vlad is a FA.

 

That would cover it.

[gruber92]

I'd prefer extending Vlad, trading Bo and signing Kim/Adames, Soto and Burnes. WS 2025.

 

If Ross is still here in the off season, he's really going to present Soto with a blank cheque. If so, one of Bo/Vlad will be gone.

[gruber92]

Lost in the discussion about extending Vlad to a 10 year deal is the fact that Don Mattingly made this discussion possible.

 

The son of a bitch did the unthinkable and fixed Vlad's swing.

 

We have to extend him too while we are at it.

 

It's the haircut. He looks mature know and he probably knows it. Could have clicked the grow up button in his head.

[Orgfiller]

It's the haircut. He looks mature know and he probably knows it. Could have clicked the grow up button in his head.

 

Famously immature players with long locks like Andrew McCutchen couldn't make it work so good thing it was the hair that was holding him back.

 

It was all downhill for Manny Ramirez once he grew out his hair in Boston. Jose Reyes really matured for the Blue Jays once he got rid of his.

[gruber92]

Famously immature players with long locks like Andrew McCutchen couldn't make it work so good thing it was the hair that was holding him back.

 

It was all downhill for Manny Ramirez once he grew out his hair in Boston. Jose Reyes really matured for the Blue Jays once he got rid of his.

 

It was just a random thought.

[Orgfiller]

It was just a random thought.

 

You can see how it can come across though, don’t you?

[xposbrad]

If Ross is still here in the off season, he's really going to present Soto with a blank cheque. If so, one of Bo/Vlad will be gone.

 

Blue Jays will be the most expensive .500 or under team in MLB for a long time if that happened. Even the Mets started to build up some prospects and have the means to have a way higher payroll than the Blue Jays. Hopefully Ross isn't here if that's even an option.

[John_Havok]

Blue Jays will be the most expensive .500 or under team in MLB for a long time if that happened. Even the Mets started to build up some prospects and have the means to have a way higher payroll than the Blue Jays. Hopefully Ross isn't here if that's even an option.

 

I'd say the mets have a higher wilingness to have a higher payroll. Rogers Corp is probably overall the richest "owner" in MLB. Rogers paid out 1 billion in dividends alone in 2023.

[Brownie19]

Blue Jays will be the most expensive .500 or under team in MLB for a long time if that happened. Even the Mets started to build up some prospects and have the means to have a way higher payroll than the Blue Jays. Hopefully Ross isn't here if that's even an option.

 

Have you heard of the LA Angels?

[DCJaysF]

If Ross is still here in the off season, he's really going to present Soto with a blank cheque. If so, one of Bo/Vlad will be gone.

 

Soto is gonna be a Yankee. We’re not gonna sign him. Maybe a tiny chance he is a Met, but most likely a Yankee. He loves playing in NY, he loves the biggest stage. He’s played great there. The Yankees love him and they have the money. He will go through FA just to get his price up but he is not coming here.

[saskjayfan]

As I think about Vlad positionally, we moved him to 1st because he got fat and couldn't handle any other position. His sprint speed this year is 27.3 this year which is above league avg. His 5 foot splits are above league average too. Is it time to experiment the last two months of the season and let him play more 3rd? Even further outside the box would be should we be throwing him in left field. I know it won't happen, but he's got a cannon for an arm and has enough speed to play in the outfield.

[AMS528]

If he is less bad at either of those then he is a 1B and it encourages him to maintain his fitness it really should be something we try.

 

It really would increase the floor of his value. Right now he's tracking as a 4 WAR player by fWAR and a 5 WAR player by bWAR. I have read some posts that seem convincing that his defense isnt quite as bad as OAA would indicate.

 

But any other position he can play below average does raise the ceiling and floor. His bat to ball skills are so good that last year which I think we can consider a but unlucky is probably the floor.