When was the last time that there was a Jays team this unlikeable and unwatchable?

[5ToolPhenom]

This is just brutal. I know there's been some bad teams over the years, but it becomes all the more boring to watch when there's NO offense. At least when the team sucked before there would be guys like Frank Thomas who you could root for and make for an interesting story line. I'm sorry I just can't stand to watch 1 more minute of Ernie Clement, Dalton Varsho, Bo Bichette or any of these other limp bat hacks.

[wilko]

[Laika]

been a while

 

2019 they were bad bad but there were no expectations and it was Vlad/Bo rookie year which was fun

 

2012 they were bad but they did have post-breakout JB and breakout season EE along with the hyped Brett Lawrie and some younger SP everyone was excited for going forward

 

2009, bad but Doc pitched 239 innings so that was fun

 

2004, bad they were pretty brutal and Doc was banged up all year, no fun. Also Delgado's swan song that must have been depressing as f***.

 

2004 I guess.

[Governator]

been a while

 

2019 they were bad bad but there were no expectations and it was Vlad/Bo rookie year which was fun

 

2012 they were bad but they did have post-breakout JB and breakout season EE along with the hyped Brett Lawrie and some younger SP everyone was excited for going forward

 

2009, bad but Doc pitched 239 innings so that was fun

 

2004, bad they were pretty brutal and Doc was banged up all year, no fun. Also Delgado's swan song that must have been depressing as f***.

 

2004 I guess.

 

 

While 2009 was a pretty bad year overall, the very end - the last 2 weeks of the season we got to see Baustia break out and I think that was memorable imo. It felt like there was something there when he hit a bunch of bombs like 6 or 7 games in a row.

 

I personally think we all suffered through 1994-2004, even with Clemens, Holliday, Delgado days... If there were wild card slots it would have been a lot more exciting and watchable but we were handicapped and knew the outcome before any season started.

[Laika]

While 2009 was a pretty bad year overall, the very end - the last 2 weeks of the season we got to see Baustia break out and I think that was memorable imo. It felt like there was something there when he hit a bunch of bombs like 6 or 7 games in a row.

 

I personally think we all suffered through 1994-2004, even with Clemens, Holliday, Delgado days... If there were wild card slots it would have been a lot more exciting and watchable but we were handicapped and knew the outcome before any season started.

 

Yeah it got pretty f***ing dark after the WS years

 

55 wins in 1995 just two years removed from winning it all, gross

[jaysblue]

This is just brutal. I know there's been some bad teams over the years, but it becomes all the more boring to watch when there's NO offense. At least when the team sucked before there would be guys like Frank Thomas who you could root for and make for an interesting story line. I'm sorry I just can't stand to watch 1 more minute of Ernie Clement, Dalton Varsho, Bo Bichette or any of these other limp bat hacks.

 

2004, 2009 and 2013 were depressing years in my books.

 

2004 because coming off an 86-win season in 2003, and with some youngsters like Wells, Hinske, Phelps, O-Dog as a core, I was excited heading into the 2004 season. Thought they would have built off that 2003 season but everything went wrong from the get go in 2004. Doc wasn't in Cy Young form and injured, bullpen sucked despite some additions in the offseason, it was Delgado's walk year as well and every Jays fan knew the team didn't have the money to re-sign him. Phelps ended up sucking even more and traded for Erik Crozier lol. Hinske was awful as well and never returned to his 2002 ROY form.

 

2009 because the Jays came off a solid 2008 season, but they lost AJ Burnett after he opted out, and the season already had a damper knowing that McGowan and Marcum were going to miss all of 2009 after getting injured during the 2008 season. It was Doc's last season in Toronto, and we kinda all knew he was going to be traded in the offseason. Their starting rotation in 2009 was awful after Doc. Wells was awful in 2009 and Rios ended up being traded that summer. Recall that was the season he was outside of the ROM and had that interaction/argument with a fan "Who gives a Fawk." It was cool to see Adam Lind and Aaron Hill have breakout years offensively.

 

2013 because AA made a bunch of big moves and it looked the Jays were ready to take that next level. Dickey was never in Cy Young form, they had injuries, Lawrie never amounted to anything, Josh Johnson was toast lol. Depressing season considering the high expectations after that busy offseason the Jays had and with guys like Bautista, EE already in the fold.

[The_DH]

The JP Ricchiardi days were the worst. Sitting on the bases, no running, bats on their shoulder. The man did not understand statistics. The best years were around 1983-85 in terms of excitement.

[Governator]

2004, 2009 and 2013 were depressing years in my books.

 

2004 because coming off an 86-win season in 2003, and with some youngsters like Wells, Hinske, Phelps, O-Dog as a core, I was excited heading into the 2004 season. Thought they would have built off that 2003 season but everything went wrong from the get go in 2004. Doc wasn't in Cy Young form and injured, bullpen sucked despite some additions in the offseason, it was Delgado's walk year as well and every Jays fan knew the team didn't have the money to re-sign him. Phelps ended up sucking even more and traded for Erik Crozier lol. Hinske was awful as well and never returned to his 2002 ROY form.

 

2009 because the Jays came off a solid 2008 season, but they lost AJ Burnett after he opted out, and the season already had a damper knowing that McGowan and Marcum were going to miss all of 2009 after getting injured during the 2008 season. It was Doc's last season in Toronto, and we kinda all knew he was going to be traded in the offseason. Their starting rotation in 2009 was awful after Doc. Wells was awful in 2009 and Rios ended up being traded that summer. Recall that was the season he was outside of the ROM and had that interaction/argument with a fan "Who gives a Fawk." It was cool to see Adam Lind and Aaron Hill have breakout years offensively.

 

2013 because AA made a bunch of big moves and it looked the Jays were ready to take that next level. Dickey was never in Cy Young form, they had injuries, Lawrie never amounted to anything, Josh Johnson was done after 5 or so starts lol. Depressing season considering the high expectations after that busy offseason the Jays had and with guys like Bautista, EE already in the fold.

 

LOL to be fair I loved the moves that were made and we at least had a lot of excitement going into the season. I thought Johnson had so much upside in that trade which turned into the biggest letdown.

[Spanky99]

This season is by far the worst in concern of expectations/payroll and performance, it really isn't close.

[M.E.]

There have been some bad years, however the last 2 with all of the expectations have been the worst for me. I didn't have a lot of expectations in those years referenced above.

[Spanky99]

There have been some bad years, however the last 2 with all of the expectations have been the worst for me. I didn't have a lot of expectations in those years referenced above.

 

Same, this year for me has been absolutely brutal.

[Olerud363]

been a while

 

2019 they were bad bad but there were no expectations and it was Vlad/Bo rookie year which was fun

 

2012 they were bad but they did have post-breakout JB and breakout season EE along with the hyped Brett Lawrie and some younger SP everyone was excited for going forward

 

2009, bad but Doc pitched 239 innings so that was fun

 

2004, bad they were pretty brutal and Doc was banged up all year, no fun. Also Delgado's swan song that must have been depressing as f***.

 

2004 I guess.

 

2004 there was 1 million times more happiness and hope

 

Alex Rios - weird 'no power bro' season .283 with 1 hr... but a no power bro can be good hitting .280 with good defense and he put up 2 fWAR or so

Vernon Wells - bit of a down year compared to 2003 but at the time just seemed batting average randomness and seemed set for super stardom still

Delgado - didn't know it was the end. They'd resign him right?

 

 

Josh Phelps - failure. OK that was depressing.

Erik Hinske - Obesity. Failure. Sadness. That was depressing too. Though Hinske overall would have a very interesting journey and hit the playoffs regularly after being let go by Blue Jays.

 

ORLANDO HUDSON - The O-Dog = what a guy. Did not really have the WAR so didn't know exactly how good he was.

 

Chris Woodward. Failure, sadness.

 

Yeah kind of a bad year. Russ Adams and Aaron Hill were in the minors, and Gabe Gross too. Kind of thought they would be money ball college on base machines

 

2004 there was way more hope and joy.

 

This is like... terrible. Total failure of every part of the organization without even a bit of happiness in any corner.

[leaffie]

This year is the worst. One of the largest payrolls, a farm system that is empty.

And worst of all a very bleak future. We really have nothing to trade that is going to bring back young exciting players. So when will this team realistically be in contention again?

[Olerud363]

While 2009 was a pretty bad year overall, the very end - the last 2 weeks of the season we got to see Baustia break out and I think that was memorable imo. It felt like there was something there when he hit a bunch of bombs like 6 or 7 games in a row.

 

I personally think we all suffered through 1994-2004, even with Clemens, Holliday, Delgado days... If there were wild card slots it would have been a lot more exciting and watchable but we were handicapped and knew the outcome before any season started.

 

1998, 1999, and 2000 were all pretty fun and the Jays were actually within 3 games of the wild card or division lead (in 2000) most of the time from about Sep 1st 1998 to the end of 2000.

 

(1998 was brutal most of the year, they sold at the deadline, played the young guys and somehow found themselves back in the race in September).

[wilko]

2022 was the trailer, 2023 was the movie, and 2024 is the credits.

[Governator]

1998, 1999, and 2000 were all pretty fun and the Jays were actually within 3 games of the wild card or division lead (in 2000) most of the time from about Sep 1st 1998 to the end of 2000.

 

(1998 was brutal most of the year, they sold at the deadline, played the young guys and somehow found themselves back in the race in September).

 

 

I mean Green/Delgado was always fun but the pitching during that era (Aside from Clemens in 98?) were just awful. That was pre-dominating Halladay years when I think our best pitcher was David Wells. Don't get me wrong, I'd rather watch winning by the long ball over whatever we have going on this year lol.

[Olerud363]

2004, 2009 and 2013 were depressing years in my books.

 

Rios ended up being traded that summer. Recall that was the season he was outside of the ROM and had that interaction/argument with a fan "Who gives a Fawk." It was cool to see Adam Lind and Aaron Hill have breakout years offensively.

 

 

This is one of the most insane things that happened in Blue Jays history and probably could not happen in the fangraphs era. Rios was coming off of two 5 WAR seasons, and had 1.5 WAR in early August, and they let Chicago claim him off waivers for nothing. He was signed to a long term deal, but I don't think it was at outrageous terms for a 4 WAR player.

 

Now Rios was an odd duck, and there was that incident where he yelled at a fan and it turned out he'd be wildly inconstent the rest of his career (alternating 4 WAR seasons with 0 WAR ones)... but still a guy who went 2, 1, 4, 5, 5, 1.5 (as of August) getting let go on waivers for nothing? Crazy. Either he was really a f***ing psycho or Jays (as has been the case since 94) were behind the times in analytics and didn't quite realize Rios's value (maybe viewed him as a 15 homer guy and weren't looking at the total picture).

[Olerud363]

2009 was also the mutiny. The players hated Cito. Ricciardi or someone linked to the press that Cito was a nut-job hated by the players. Riccardi ended up getting fired like a day or two later, with AA named as GM right away.

 

That whole thing was weird and you have to think Beeston needed to protect Cito so didn't want to hire an experienced GM who new the real story behind Cito.

[Terminator]

This year is probably worse but 2013 would rival it.

 

On the heels of the Marlins trade as well as the Synder for Dickey trade. Bautista had an injury plagued year and the starting pitching sucked and we finished 74-88. The offense was a tick above average and we had a good bullpen at least. Expectations were high though, or at least there was some reason for optimism, and the team hadn't been to the playoffs forever.

 

This team is probably more frustrating to watch though. Good defense and starting pitching but bad offense and a horrible bullpen is a really bad combination to watch. Good defense and solid starting pitching isn't really that entertaining, no matter what anyone says. Offense is entertaining and we don't have it. And a bad bullpen is one of the most frustrating things in sports.

[Terminator]

Something to consider about that 2013 team is that two years later we had the best team in baseball in 2015 and it wasn't even close. +221 run differential and the next closest team was the Cardinals at +122.

 

And that didn't require a rebuild nor did the farm contribute a whole lot to the turnaround.

[Spanky99]

2022 was the trailer, 2023 was the movie, and 2024 is the credits.

 

Well played...

[mphenhef]

This is just brutal. I know there's been some bad teams over the years, but it becomes all the more boring to watch when there's NO offense. At least when the team sucked before there would be guys like Frank Thomas who you could root for and make for an interesting story line. I'm sorry I just can't stand to watch 1 more minute of Ernie Clement, Dalton Varsho, Bo Bichette or any of these other limp bat hacks.

 

Last year

[mphenhef]

The JP Ricchiardi days were the worst. Sitting on the bases, no running, bats on their shoulder. The man did not understand statistics. The best years were around 1983-85 in terms of excitement.

 

Remember when he inexplicably was collecting third basemen like he had absolutely 0 plans.

[The_DH]

I try to forget, it was the kind of baseball I hated.

[Jimcanuck]

After 1993 and Gillick leaving, Gord Ash didn't have a clue what he was doing. Carter got trotted out every day to suck. Alomar Jr was playing like he wanted to leave, the pitching was a shambles. The park went from full and loud every game to several thousand and quiet as a mouse in a hurry.

[Omar]

After 1993 and Gillick leaving, Gord Ash didn't have a clue what he was doing. Carter got trotted out every day to suck. Alomar Jr was playing like he wanted to leave, the pitching was a shambles. The park went from full and loud every game to several thousand and quiet as a mouse in a hurry.

 

The Interbrew ownership years were the worst times in franchise history and it's not even close. If you lived through those years you know this to be true.

[Spanky99]

The Interbrew ownership years were the worst times in franchise history and it's not even close. If you lived through those years you know this to be true.

 

From Labatt's and the highest payroll in baseball to Interbrew. LMAO... thanks for jarring that back out of my brain. That was rough.

[G-Snarls]

Idk but this is by far the fewest games I've ever watched by this time of the season

[Auldphartt]

From Labatt's and the highest payroll in baseball to Interbrew. LMAO... thanks for jarring that back out of my brain. That was rough.

 

Also the highest attendance in baseball. Labatt's understood the eternal connection between baseball and beer.

 

Interbrew didn't have a clue. Being European they looked at beer as a food and couldn't understand why a brewery would be interested in sports or entertainment.

 

Shoeless Paul Beeston was a Labatt's boy from London Ontario, long a baseball town. When I lived there in the 1950s, public-school-aged kids played played hardball and slid cleat-first. Baseball was definitely the #1 sport. Not every kid had skates or a hockey stick. Every kid had a baseball glove.

[glory]

Gord Ash was the worst GM in Jays history, but his seasons were generally more entertaining than 2023-24 and the JP Ricciardi years. The JP years in particular were some of the blandest teams imaginable. Lose Delgado and "re-create him in the aggregate" with Koskie and Hillenbrand, draft 22 year old white dudes pretty much in every round for years, ignore the international market completely, etc. Halladay's prime was the only thing that made that era watchable. Atkins was actually fine with me from 2020-22, but lost me completely in 2023, and it got worse in 2024.