2024 Trade Deadline

[Stangstag]

They both suck. They aren't blocking anyone. The O's just want to get some value for them as they no longer need them and they have "some" value. Likely moved for a few lottery tickets.

 

Mountcastle with 81 games a year at the dome is a perennial all-star.

 

Get em Ross

[Carlos Danger]

They both suck. They aren't blocking anyone. The O's just want to get some value for them as they no longer need them and they have "some" value. Likely moved for a few lottery tickets.

 

It is a combo of factors. They plan on bringing Mayo up and Holliday back up soon. Really the only places left for Mayo will be 1b or OF.

 

They have Mountcastle at 1b along with O’Hearn/ DH. Santander/ Hays, Mullins and Cowser in the OF.

 

They also have a bunch of studs at AA plus Bassalo.

 

So, apart from performance vs other team members, age, contracts etc. They need to make room.

 

Unless of course they trade a bunch of their prospects. However, a guy like Mountcastle, they would probably not talk about putting on the block during a playoff run, unless they are confident in the internal solutions.

[Joltin Joe]

Wonder if we could move Berrios? He will make 19 million next two years. Then 24 million the next 2 years.

[Joltin Joe]

According to MLBTR, the Orioles are open to trading Mullins and Mountcastle. A team in 1st place in the division looking to trade vets in their 20’s due to internal depth while the last place Jays holding on to 36 year old Bassitt for dear life.

I can't see why Jays be interested in them

[glory]

Mullins and Mountcastle suck. That's why they want to trade them.

 

They are justified in wanting to trade them, especially with their internal prospect depth. I'm just pointing out how sad that is as a Jays fan that a 1st place team can recognize that but a last place Jays team is deeming Chris Bassitt critical to next season's roster. The difference in player development, front office quality, etc, is night and day.

[metafour]

Wow I didn't even realize the Orioles ruined Cedric Mullins like that smh. From 6 WAR to 0.3? He's not even 30 yet.

[John_Havok]

They are justified in wanting to trade them, especially with their internal prospect depth. I'm just pointing out how sad that is as a Jays fan that a 1st place team can recognize that but a last place Jays team is deeming Chris Bassitt critical to next season's roster. The difference in player development, front office quality, etc, is night and day.

 

Yeah, it's like teams in two different situations with drastically different strenfth of farm systems don't somehow arrive at the end same conclusion.

 

That is weird.

 

They're trading g them because the players are borderline terrible and can get better production from their farm, it's not some monumental genius front office plan that only they can see.

[glory]

Yeah, it's like teams in two different situations with drastically different strenfth of farm systems don't somehow arrive at the end same conclusion.

 

That is weird.

 

They're trading g them because the players are borderline terrible and can get better production from their farm, it's not some monumental genius front office plan that only they can see.

 

Yes because the Jays would definitely go to their farm system over s***** vets. The 2024 season has proven that.

 

I don't even think I was hyping up the genius of the Orioles FO. What they are doing is smart but I'm not sure how many teams would operate the same way (respect the vetrins and all that). Maybe most would, I don't know, but I don't think the Jays would have. Hell, I don't think the Jays trade Mountcastle if they had him now, much less if they were sitting in a playoff spot.

[metafour]

I don't even think I was hyping up the genius of the Orioles FO. What they are doing is smart but I'm not sure how many teams would operate the same way (respect the vetrins and all that).

 

Yes, it is genius-level operation by the Orioles to wait until Mullins becomes as useful as Cavan Biggio before looking to trade him. Great asset management there. I don't think most other teams would be that smart to consider waiting until a player has no value whatsoever before trading them.

 

If these guys were as smart as you think they are, they would have traded him after his 6 WAR season or shortly after. Seeing as how he popped up out of nowhere and was unlikely to play at that level moving forward.

[Carlos Danger]

Yes, it is genius-level operation by the Orioles to wait until Mullins becomes as useful as Cavan Biggio before looking to trade him. Great asset management there. I don't think most other teams would be that smart to consider waiting until a player has no value whatsoever before trading them.

 

If these guys were as smart as you think they are, they would have traded him after his 6 WAR season or shortly after. Seeing as how he popped up out of nowhere and was unlikely to play at that level moving forward.

 

Your post makes no sense... False equivalency. Are you one of the guys with Orioles Derangement Syndrome (ODS)?

[metafour]

Your post makes no sense... False equivalency. Are you one of the guys with Orioles Derangement Syndrome (ODS)?

 

It makes no sense to suggest that waiting until an asset is performing at an 0.3 WAR rate before looking to trade him is in fact NOT a "genius baseball move"?

 

Do you suffer from Smooth Brain Syndrome?

[John_Havok]

Yes because the Jays would definitely go to their farm system over s***** vets. The 2024 season has proven that.

 

I don't even think I was hyping up the genius of the Orioles FO. What they are doing is smart but I'm not sure how many teams would operate the same way (respect the vetrins and all that). Maybe most would, I don't know, but I don't think the Jays would have. Hell, I don't think the Jays trade Mountcastle if they had him now, much less if they were sitting in a playoff spot.

 

There's no doubt most orgs in their exact same positions would be doing this. Orioles are on track to win the division and possibly make a deep run in the playoffs, a brain-dead monkey could look at the roster and see that Mountcastle and Mullins are the spots they need to improve, along with a SP and pen help (Sp and pen being what virtually every contended wants to upgrade EVERY season at the deadline)

[Brownie19]

There's no doubt most orgs in their exact same positions would be doing this. Orioles are on track to win the division and possibly make a deep run in the playoffs, a brain-dead monkey could look at the roster and see that Mountcastle and Mullins are the spots they need to improve, along with a SP and pen help (Sp and pen being what virtually every contended wants to upgrade EVERY season at the deadline)

 

I would agree with this. Even Dave Stewart would look at this O's roster and think "we should move Mullins and Mountcastle - they suck and are getting expensive. We should try and get a couple lottery tickets for them now instead of non-tendering them this offseason".

 

Does the FO deserve credit for being in the position where they can afford to move these guys now? Yes - yes, they do. Their drafting and development has been amazing lately.

[Olerud363]

Your post makes no sense... False equivalency. Are you one of the guys with Orioles Derangement Syndrome (ODS)?

 

What is Orioles Derangement Syndrome? Is it when you cherry pick the Oriole's mistakes to "prove" they aren't a great organization? Or is it if you worship the Orioles too much?

 

I think in this case it is a False equivalency. Mullins was a mediocre minor leaguer (.260 .320 .420 or so) who had a great 2021, and really most years has done as his minor stats would suggest.

 

It could have been a good move to trade him in 2022, but they didn't. Being a great organization doesn't mean you nail every move exactly, just that on average you hit it.

 

I think with guys that breakout and you have control left, the right move is to keep them. IE EE/Bautista. Doesn't always work.

[Joltin Joe]

Better off packaging Garcia with Kikuchi to get better player who can help in '25. Than trade them to different teams for 3 or 4 lesser prospects but will not amount to anything

[hanton]

I wonder if the d'backs called about Garcia

[Spanky99]

I wonder if the d'backs called about Garcia

 

They were looking for a LHP.

[Brownie19]

Arozarena to Seattle!

[Carlos Danger]

Starting to pick up tonight.

[G-Snarls]

Arozarena to Seattle!

 

[Spanky99]

 

Wait... did the Rays just get fleeced?

[Stangstag]

Wait... did the Rays just get fleeced?

 

Randy had an abysmal start to the season, but he’s been hitting pretty well since June. Good deal for the Ms

[Spanky99]

Randy had an abysmal start to the season, but he’s been hitting pretty well since June. Good deal for the Ms

 

No s***, hence my post dude.

[connorp]

Seattle just another organization that went Right when the Jays turned Left

Nothing good comes from turning left. Just losses and trannies await.

[Laika]

Damn the Rays really sold low on Randy

[Spanky99]

Damn the Rays really sold low on Randy

 

Not sure how it works anymore, but the PTBNL can be from this past draft now after 6 months or something, right? That return is gross, has to be their 1st rounder or something, lol.

[Laika]

Not sure how it works anymore, but the PTBNL can be from this past draft now after 6 months or something, right? That return is gross, has to be their 1st rounder or something, lol.

 

yes maybe the PTBNL is a good prospect

 

Randy controllable in 2025 and 2026

$8.1M in arb this year so probably $11M and $14M or something like that, maybe more

 

his defense and BsR are shockingly bad though. only 1 WAR this year despite beasting for the last two months. only projects for 1 WAR in the next 54 games. I thought he was a solid two way player for some reason. more of a Teoscar type.

[Laika]

of course it's the Rays so in two years Aidan Smith will be their new Isaac Paredes or something

[Spanky99]

yes maybe the PTBNL is a good prospect

 

Randy controllable in 2025 and 2026

$8.1M in arb this year so probably $11M and $14M or something like that, maybe more

 

his defense and BsR are shockingly bad though. only 1 WAR this year despite beasting for the last two months. only projects for 1 WAR in the next 54 games. I thought he was a solid two way player for some reason. more of a Teoscar type.

 

Even then I feel Puk's return was better on the surface. Soooo bad.

[Spanky99]

Seattle just another organization that went Right when the Jays turned Left

Nothing good comes from turning left. Just losses and trannies await.

 

Hahaha... I knew you were going to get banned for this, eejit.