Ohtani Thread - Special Sheriff's Edition (Update: confirmed going to the Dodgers)

[John_Havok]

Do we really want him playing OF into his late 30s and 40s though here? Value is tied more into his bat, and at that stage in his career would focus more on keeping him fresh and healthy.

 

I'm just being a realist when it comes to this big type of deal. Anything can happen. You can't expect everything to be all sunshine and rainbows over those 10-12 years.

 

Of course not. You’re signing Ohtani knowing full well he could be a Stanton-esque boat anchor contract by 2029ish if s*** goes badly for him healthwise.

[mellowgold]

Happy Ohtani Day?

[John_Havok]

It's funny how all of you actually think you're eating "chicken "

 

Whole chicken breast meat certainly qualifies as chicken. We aren’t talking about McNuggets

[wamco]

Apparently if we get Ohtani...Springer might be moved

 

Good

[BTS]

Yankees can f*** right off

 

[RobinThicc]

Jays need Ohtani

[Ehjays]

I said in the past that I wouldn't return to this forum if my main account wasn't unbanned but Buster Olney today vomited out the worst piece of writing I've ever seen in my life and it immediately reminded me of this place. This is probably the one community that could give this bile the utter roasting that it deserves, so I knew I had to share it here (and maybe it's already been posted and discussed and if that's the case then f*** me I guess).

 

Enjoy. - TL

 

 

https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/39049998/shohei-ohtani-secret-free-agency-mlb-dodgers-blue-jays

 

Every single reporter is pissed about the hush hush process for Ohtani, but it exposes some of the clown writers for the BS they dish out in weekly columns. It would be nice to have it more public, but not for the writers benefit f*** them!! What a load of s***! Good to hear from you Twisted.

[max silver]

I never ruled out him ever playing another position, though majority of the contract he likely is still just a DH if he doesn't have the longevity on the mound. He can probably play a corner OF spot or 1B like you said, but do we really want him playing a position in his mid-to-late 30s just to squeeze out some extra WAR out of him if any at all, when you risk the chance of injury? His value is tied with his bat. Would rather him stay healthy and put up 5-6 WAR seasons like he did in 2023.

 

In terms of context, if he makes a move to the OF or 1B, likely would happen at the half way point or latter part of the deal anyways. For example, he strictly is DHing in 2024. In 2025, he'll be able to pitch. He either A) stays healthy and pitches at an elite level like he has, or struggles to get through 15-20 starts and becomes fragile like an Erik Bedard or James Paxton on the mound. Or he C) pitches more like a No. 4 or 5 starter which is meh. If option A, the question is how long does that last in terms of health and pitching at an elite level into his mid-30s? If option B, likely Jays will experiment with him as a starter for a couple of years even in this situation, so he would strictly DH still. Both situations likely have him pitching into his mid-30s. If Option C, he still likely gets a couple of years in pitching as long as he's not Alex Manoah bad. So the chances of moving him off DH and the mound to transition into a full-time OF likely doesn't take place until he's 34-35 at the earliest. And at that point, maybe he's just a part-time OF who plays 70-80 games instead of 150.

 

Only way he transitions to an OF or 1B spot early is if he gives up pitching altogether after 2025, which lets hope not.

 

This all sounds much more likely than assuming the doomsday scenario of Ohtani being unable to pitch in the future and immediately transitioning to DH without even considering shifting to another position while he's still relatively young. I fully agree if Ohtani is able to pitch until some point in his mid 30's it would potentially be an unwise decision to shift him to another position at that point given the increased likelihood of injury that takes him off the field completely.

[max silver]

Yankees can f*** right off

 

 

That's good, let the Yankees empty their system of good young pitching so it f***s them over for years to come.

[Carlos Danger]

Happy Ohtani Day?

 

The reports have been pretty consistent that there will not be a decision made until 4-5 days from the start of the meetings or early next week. I wouldn’t be expecting anything today.

Edited December 6, 2023 by Carlos Danger

[Krylian]

Yankees can f*** right off

 

 

Can't really blame them. While everyone else is participating in the Ohtani circle jerk, they're improving elsewhere. If Ohtani doesn't sign in Toronto, and Yankees get the Soto deal done before Shohei's decision, who do they turn their attention to?

[L54]

If the Yankees give up King and Thorpe Jays aren’t beating that

[max silver]

If the Yankees give up King and Thorpe Jays aren’t beating that

 

Nor should they try to beat that either. That's an asinine price to pay for a one year rental no matter how good his bat is.

[Stangstag]

If the Yankees give up King and Thorpe Jays aren’t beating that

 

They probably wont. Yankees seem to always get away with trading crap prospects they never wanted anyways in these big deals.

 

Wouldn’t be surprised if they take on Cronenworth and other salary to lessen the package to SD

[Stangstag]

Ohtani destroyed the winter meetings of 2023. Boring so far

[glory]

Can't really blame them. While everyone else is participating in the Ohtani circle jerk, they're improving elsewhere. If Ohtani doesn't sign in Toronto, and Yankees get the Soto deal done before Shohei's decision, who do they turn their attention to?

 

Unfortunately probably bringing Chapman back. I can’t think of any other impact FA or trade that is realistic unless they can get Robert, and Bellinger would be a bad idea. If Ohtani signs elsewhere and Soto goes to the Yankees, then the Jays should probably just do what they did last season. One year vetrins. Except this time hope that Vlad, Kirk, Springer, and Varsho actually perform well. This is not the FA market to be overpaying for someone unless it’s on the top end of the market.

[max silver]

They probably wont. Yankees seem to always get away with trading crap prospects they never wanted anyways in these big deals.

 

Wouldn’t be surprised if they take on Cronenworth and other salary to lessen the package to SD

 

I could see the Yankees trying to expedite this process to get a deal completed before Ohtani makes his decision on where to sign. If Ohtani signs with the Dodgers then the Blue Jays become a serious competitor for Soto, so if the Yankees can get a deal done before that the Jays won't be able to swoop in and deal for Soto under their noses.

[Krylian]

Unfortunately probably bringing Chapman back. I can’t think of any other impact FA or trade that is realistic unless they can get Robert, and Bellinger would be a bad idea. If Ohtani signs elsewhere and Soto goes to the Yankees, then the Jays should probably just do what they did last season. One year vetrins. Except this time hope that Vlad, Kirk, Springer, and Varsho actually perform well. This is not the FA market to be overpaying for someone unless it’s on the top end of the market.

 

What a massive letdown that would be.

 

Any Luis Robert interest?

[JaysAllMighty]

Looking good in our Blue Jays uniform

 

[Maahfaace]

Whole chicken breast meat certainly qualifies as chicken. We aren’t talking about McNuggets

 

If breast pumped full of hormones and antibiotics with a 6week kill time meets your standard for chicken, then sure, it's chicken...

[max silver]

If breast pumped full of hormones and antibiotics with a 6week kill time meets your standard for chicken, then sure, it's chicken...

 

In that case aside from free range then chicken basically doesn't exist anymore.

[Krylian]

If breast pumped full of hormones and antibiotics with a 6week kill time meets your standard for chicken, then sure, it's chicken...

 

You're talking about the quality of the chicken. That's a conversation worth having. Whether it's actually chicken isn't.

[Maahfaace]

You're talking about the quality of the chicken. That's a conversation worth having. Whether it's actually chicken isn't.

 

Again, genetically modified with accelerated growth hormone, feed that contains micro plastics, cramed into living conditions that create the necessity for copious amounts of antibiotics is, essential poison. It definitely skirts the definition of chicken imo.

 

In addition, if you look up fast food chains claims of using 100% of this s*** breast meat, even that is not accurate as they use tons of filler like corn starch, palm oils and preservatives like sodium phosphate.

[Sammy225]

King and Thorpe ++ by the sounds of it is a big ask for someone who i can assume is going to be going to free agency next year. No way Boras is letting Soto sign an extension. You think if Dodgers miss out on Ohtani what they might throw at Soto.

[Sammy225]

Also Why would Padres deal Soto before Ohtani is gone. If Blue Jays or Dodgers miss out on Ohtani that may drive the price of Soto up. Just my two cents but i would be waiting for Ohtani to sign before doing anything.

[Krylian]

Again, genetically modified with accelerated growth hormone, feed that contains micro plastics, cramed into living conditions that create the necessity for copious amounts of antibiotics is, essential poison. It definitely skirts the definition of chicken imo.

 

In addition, if you look up fast food chains claims of using 100% of this s*** breast meat, even that is not accurate as they use tons of filler like corn starch, palm oils and preservatives like sodium phosphate.

 

It's still chicken. It doesn't turn it to pork. The fact that it's not chicken worth eating is a different conversation.

[Krylian]

Also Why would Padres deal Soto before Ohtani is gone. If Blue Jays or Dodgers miss out on Ohtani that may drive the price of Soto up. Just my two cents but i would be waiting for Ohtani to sign before doing anything.

 

True.

[Brownie19]

Again, genetically modified with accelerated growth hormone, feed that contains micro plastics, cramed into living conditions that create the necessity for copious amounts of antibiotics is, essential poison. It definitely skirts the definition of chicken imo.

 

In addition, if you look up fast food chains claims of using 100% of this s*** breast meat, even that is not accurate as they use tons of filler like corn starch, palm oils and preservatives like sodium phosphate.

 

Where are you getting this information about pumping them full of hormones?

 

The USDA has banned all hormones and steroids in poultry since the 1950s. No hormones or steroids are approved by the US Food and Drug Administration for use in poultry, and doing so via the water, feed or injection is specifically prohibited by law. Also, Canada banned the use of hormones in Canadian poultry on March 4, 1963.. And of course companies have been promoting that they are selling chicken that's been raised without the use of hormones, which is a f***ing dirty tactic, because all chickens are raised without the use of hormones - they are just feeding off the idiots who believe internet memes - including the one that woman's breasts are getting larger these days because they eat so much chicken with hormones in it.

Edited December 6, 2023 by Brownie19

[Maahfaace]

Also Why would Padres deal Soto before Ohtani is gone. If Blue Jays or Dodgers miss out on Ohtani that may drive the price of Soto up. Just my two cents but i would be waiting for Ohtani to sign before doing anything.

 

You'd think they'd consider this, but AJ isn't immune from boneheaded rushed decisions.

[connorp]

That's good, let the Yankees empty their system of good young pitching so it f***s them over for years to come.

 

I read it like “watch King or Thorpe headline a trade”… I know it says otherwise, but I’d guess that’s what he meant, considering some outlets have reported they were hesitant to include Thorpe. I always doubted that but I don’t think it’s going to be King, Thorpe, and 3 other guys