General Blue Jays Discussion Thread (2024)

[Spanky99]

I'd take a Brent Rooker hitting after Vlad all day! Make it happen... you in charge in November.

[G-Snarls]

So who do we want to keep from the current pen for next year and how many additions do we want? Who still has options?

[Spanky99]

So who do we want to keep from the current pen for next year and how many additions do we want?

 

Romano

Green

Swanson

Burr

Cabrera

 

off the top of my head.

[Stangstag]

So who do we want to keep from the current pen for next year and how many additions do we want?

 

Green

Swanson

Romano

Burr

Little and Cabrera are maybes

 

The rest are disposable. 2 decent/solid additions would be nice.

[Spanky99]

Green

Swanson

Romano

Burr

Little and Cabrera are maybes

 

The rest are disposable. 2 decent/solid additions would be nice.

 

I only see Nance as disposable, the rest get optioned.

[max silver]

How much will Adames cost and how much cheaper would Kim be?

 

Adames had a MONSTER season at the perfect time. Same age as Kim. He's a better fit, given his power profile. I could see Kim getting like 4-5 years at $20M AAV. I think Adames has played himself into a 6 year deal at $22M-$25M AAV.

 

Adames is a great target but the dropoff in his defensive metrics this season is concerning. He's gone from +8DRS/+16 OAA to -15DRS/+1 OAA. If he's more Bo Bichette defensively moving forward that limits the appeal quite a bit, although he'd likely make be a fine defender at third base as well if he needed to move eventually.

[Terminator]

 

This is why it's important to try and field a winner. We sucked ass after the 90s championships and the fanbase dwindled down to almost nothing.

 

All it took to build it back up was to make the playoffs a few times in the past ten seasons. We've now got a pretty darn good fanbase. 9th in attendance for a last place team is great.

[BatFlip]

 

This is why it's important to try and field a winner. We sucked ass after the 90s championships and the fanbase dwindled down to almost nothing.

 

All it took to build it back up was to make the playoffs a few times in the past ten seasons. We've now got a pretty darn good fanbase. 9th in attendance for a last place team is great.

 

 

 

The fan support is impressive. The Jays are outdrawing the Orioles by almost 5K a game, which is insane given the difference in on-field product.

 

If the Jays had constructed a playoff team, and with all the renovations, I have no doubt they would have been top 5 in attendance this year.

[Laika]

They are definitely on the precipice though.

 

The Blue Jays cultivate a relatively good fan base when they win for a bit, but it can be fleeting. Lose a few seasons in a row and oooof.

 

Per game:

 

2016, 42k (1st in the AL)

2017, 40k

2018, 29k

2019, 22k (8th in the AL)

[Olerud363]

They are definitely on the precipice though.

 

The Blue Jays cultivate a relatively good fan base when they win for a bit, but it can be fleeting. Lose a few seasons in a row and oooof.

 

Per game:

 

2016, 42k (1st in the AL)

2017, 40k

2018, 29k

2019, 22k (8th in the AL)

 

 

The Orioles made up like a 800 thousand fans on the Jays this year.

 

2023 about 3 million Jays to 1.9 million Orioles

2024 it will be about 2.7 million Jays, 2.3 million Orioles

 

2025 it could be 2.8 million Orioles low 2s for Jays.

 

We all know Baltimore, projected to be a forever dynasty with 110 wins a year is now a great-great disapoiontment. An 89 win loser team that will be getting swept by KC or Detroit and going home...

 

However what it Orioles somehow luck out and beat KC or Detroit and win a playoff series or 2? What if they make a big signing in the off season?

 

The forever dynasty Orioles team depends on them getting some momentum here, starting to outdraw Jays, and win free agents from them... only KC or Detroit can stop this. They must

[glory]

They are definitely on the precipice though.

 

The Blue Jays cultivate a relatively good fan base when they win for a bit, but it can be fleeting. Lose a few seasons in a row and oooof.

 

Per game:

 

2016, 42k (1st in the AL)

2017, 40k

2018, 29k

2019, 22k (8th in the AL)

 

Yeah the 2024 attendance is at least somewhat related to the 2021-23 (regular season) success. Much like 2017 had great attendance due to 2015-16 despite a s***** product. If the Jays have a monster off season then maybe 2025 attendance won’t take a big hit but I would imagine attendance will be down early in the season and either rise or fall based on team performance after that.

[The Cats Ass]

I'd take a Brent Rooker hitting after Vlad all day! Make it happen... you in charge in November.

 

With Soto in front of Vlad?

[connorp]

I will make the bold prediction that Soto/Jays rumors get Darvish/Ohtani level of hot, but we also don’t sign him

[John_Havok]

I will make the bold prediction that Soto/Jays rumors get Darvish/Ohtani level of hot, but we also don’t sign him

 

Bold would saying they do sign him

[connorp]

Bold would saying they do sign him

 

Yes, but considering most of my posts are more of the trolling variety, my sarcasm should’ve been assumed

[Laika]

that's not... what sarcasm means... LMAO

[connorp]

that's not... what sarcasm means... LMAO

 

“Bold” was sarcastic. Listen, if you want a lesson in linguistics, send me Teams invite via PM and I’d be happy to help. I’ll only ask for 2 “get out of jail free (ban)” cards as payment. Lmk

 

Edit: forgot to end with “bitch”

Edit 2: you take a shot at the king (of bjmb) you better not miss

Edited September 27, 2024 by connorp

[Jimcanuck]

Getting clowned on by a guy that lives in Sault Ste Marie backwoods

[connorp]

Getting clowned on by a guy that lives in Sault Ste Marie backwoods

 

Ah. Here comes Old man Jim to the rescue. Up from nap and before he goes off to his early bird special, before settling in for the night to comfort himself with the talking heads of MSNBC and spending time thinking about his sexual conquests in 1968.

 

Maybe you can get with your new Robin, Spanky, and rally the troops to force me off the board unjustly, like the fantasy leagues.

[Omar]

Ah. Here comes Old man Jim to the rescue. Up from nap and before he goes off to his early bird special, before settling in for the night to comfort himself with the talking heads of MSNBC and spending time thinking about his sexual conquests in 1968.

 

Maybe you can get with your new Robin, Spanky, and rally the troops to force me off the board unjustly, like the fantasy leagues.

 

[BigCecil]

Yeah the 2024 attendance is at least somewhat related to the 2021-23 (regular season) success. Much like 2017 had great attendance due to 2015-16 despite a s***** product. If the Jays have a monster off season then maybe 2025 attendance won’t take a big hit but I would imagine attendance will be down early in the season and either rise or fall based on team performance after that.

 

Yes, the fanbase got re engaged nationally in 2015 because we won the AL East after being in the wilderness since '93. 2016 was also exciting. 21, 22 and 23 we were in the hunt.

 

The late 90s they went from 170 corporate boxes sold to 7. It was depressing.

 

Higher ticket prices matter, but being in the wildcard hunt with a 3rd spot now should keep attendance and eyeballs at solid levels. The renos will help, but that has a shelf life.

 

They have to put a legit competitive team on the field or our history says attendance and viewers wanes pretty quickly.

[Stangstag]

Yes, the fanbase got re engaged nationally in 2015 because we won the AL East after being in the wilderness since '93. 2016 was also exciting. 21, 22 and 23 we were in the hunt.

 

The late 90s they went from 170 corporate boxes sold to 7. It was depressing.

 

Higher ticket prices matter, but being in the wildcard hunt with a 3rd spot now should keep attendance and eyeballs at solid levels. The renos will help, but that has a shelf life.

 

They have to put a legit competitive team on the field or our history says attendance and viewers wanes pretty quickly.

 

Will be interesting to see the attendance numbers next year. Have to think a lot of the attendance for this season was tickets sold in the offseason.

 

I’d assume ticket sales drop dramatically this offseason unless they make a huge splash like Soto or something similar.

[Jimcanuck]

Ah. Here comes Old man Jim to the rescue. Up from nap and before he goes off to his early bird special, before settling in for the night to comfort himself with the talking heads of MSNBC and spending time thinking about his sexual conquests in 1968.

 

Maybe you can get with your new Robin, Spanky, and rally the troops to force me off the board unjustly, like the fantasy leagues.

 

This is pretty good. Respect.

[JFD]

So the team just completely gave up and packed it in for the final series of the year. If that doesn't indicate a weak coaching staff I don't know what does.

 

I won't be watching another game until they clean house.

 

Springer also needs to f*** off and retire.

[max silver]

So the team just completely gave up and packed it in for the final series of the year. If that doesn't indicate a weak coaching staff I don't know what does.

 

I won't be watching another game until they clean house.

 

Springer also needs to f*** off and retire.

 

The final 3 games between two last place teams where a bunch of rookies and cast off relievers are largely playing indicates a weak coaching staff? I think there's enough of a sample size over the other 159 games to make conclusions without needing to place a ton of emphasis on the final series of the season.

[L54]

I hope they lose tomorrow too

[Ryu In My House]

So the team just completely gave up and packed it in for the final series of the year. If that doesn't indicate a weak coaching staff I don't know what does.

 

I won't be watching another game until they clean house.

 

Springer also needs to f*** off and retire.

 

Wrong. The season was over long ago, this is an assessment situation, not unlike ST. Wins don't matter. In fact, losses actually help the team draft higher.

 

Also, Springer will not retire. I suspect he will report to camp in great shape and then put up a 2.5 fWAR campaign. That's okay. I think he helps the team sign Bregman, which they absolutely should.

[BigCecil]

Wrong. The season was over long ago, this is an assessment situation, not unlike ST. Wins don't matter. In fact, losses actually help the team draft higher.

 

Also, Springer will not retire. I suspect he will report to camp in great shape and then put up a 2.5 fWAR campaign. That's okay. I think he helps the team sign Bregman, which they absolutely should.

 

Springer being healthy, which is unusual, put up 3 WAR for $50M over the last 2 seasons. A 2.5 WAR season would be a godsend, but I’d take the under.

[Ryu In My House]

Springer being healthy, which is unusual, put up 3 WAR for $50M over the last 2 seasons. A 2.5 WAR season would be a godsend, but I’d take the under.

 

I think we all knew the last couple of years of this contract would suck. But, I honestly think his okay arm and offense will still be a good fit in LF. I think he has a good year. Not to mention the "veteran presence" that so many discount. Honestly, if we rebuild the bullpen, extend Vladdy and sign Bregman, we have a fighting chance. How many wins gets a WC spot, 85?

 

I have no idea what happens to Bo.

[JFD]

The final 3 games between two last place teams where a bunch of rookies and cast off relievers are largely playing indicates a weak coaching staff? I think there's enough of a sample size over the other 159 games to make conclusions without needing to place a ton of emphasis on the final series of the season.

 

Keep telling yourself that