General Blue Jays Discussion Thread (2024)

[AMS528]

Kikuchi, Turner, Varsho, Berrios, Yimi, Jansen

 

Don't see the point in selling Schneider right now.

 

Berrios in a trade really should get a goodreturn cause he has two years at a really great price, and you're getting a Mark Buehrle type consistency with innings pitched. He's a likely opt out after those two seasons unless he has a 2022 type season again.

[Laika]

Varsho doesn't have enough value. 1 month doesn't make up for an entire 1 year.

 

I like Jansen too much to ever sell him.

 

Berrios yeah.

 

Varsho has lots of value.

 

2021 - played at a 3+ WAR pace

2022 - 4.4 WAR

2023 - 2.1 WAR while being brutal offensively

2024 - Should end up at 4.2 WAR to 4.5 WAR, if you add his current production to rest of season projections

 

Jays fans with Moreno trade PTSD will take a while to completely come around on him but all things considered he is a pretty stable producer. Defense gives him a huge floor.

[Masterbather]

Varsho has lots of value.

 

2021 - played at a 3+ WAR pace

2022 - 4.4 WAR

2023 - 2.1 WAR while being brutal offensively

2024 - Should end up at 4.2 WAR to 4.5 WAR, if you add his current production to rest of season projections

 

Jays fans with Moreno trade PTSD will take a while to completely come around on him but all things considered he is a pretty stable producer. Defense gives him a huge floor.

 

I'm not assuming he will end the year where you think he will end the year, particularly offensively, and teams don't pay for defense. Not the way you're expecting. They pay for offense and they pay for frontline pitching.

[bluejaysinternNo5]

I'm not assuming he will end the year where you think he will end the year, particularly offensively, and teams don't pay for defense. Not the way you're expecting. They pay for offense and they pay for frontline pitching.

 

Agreed. Value from defense is always worth less on the trade market. Varsho has more value to the Blue Jays than to any other team. You still need some major league players and Varsho is an easy guy to root for.

 

On the other hand, players like Gausman and Romano are difference makers in the playoffs. Those guys have real value to playoff teams.

[Laika]

I'm not assuming he will end the year where you think he will end the year, particularly offensively, and teams don't pay for defense. Not the way you're expecting. They pay for offense and they pay for frontline pitching.

 

My personal opinion was not part of that argument

 

He has a 129 wRC+ right now, projects for a wRC+ between 105 and 118 based on all the visible projection systems, and he layers in plus baserunning. He was also an above average hitter in 2022 and exactly average in 2021.

 

You can hate the player irrationally if you want but he's not a one-way position player. He's not just some defensive specialist who pops the odd homer.

[Ray]

I'm not assuming he will end the year where you think he will end the year, particularly offensively, and teams don't pay for defense. Not the way you're expecting. They pay for offense and they pay for frontline pitching.

 

Every projection system has him pegged for being an average to slightly above average hitter and 2-3 WAR for the rest of the season. It’s fine if you don’t think he can keep up his current pace because he is outplaying his expected stats a bit, but a young cost controlled CF who has literally been the best defensive player in baseball the last two seasons with 2.5 years of control remaining is highly valuable.

 

The immediate aftermath of the Moreno trade has made Varsho so underrated around here. People talk about him as if he’s Josh Fields and Moreno is Yordan Alvarez

[BCZ]

Varsho has lots of value.

 

2021 - played at a 3+ WAR pace

2022 - 4.4 WAR

2023 - 2.1 WAR while being brutal offensively

2024 - Should end up at 4.2 WAR to 4.5 WAR, if you add his current production to rest of season projections

 

Jays fans with Moreno trade PTSD will take a while to completely come around on him but all things considered he is a pretty stable producer. Defense gives him a huge floor.

 

OK fair re Varsho

[harvey16]

People are literally jumping off a Cliff here. We are 4 games below .500 at the beginning of May. If we are still below .500 into June with 6 games vs the White Sox and 3 vs Tampa then we can seriously start talking about going into full rebuild. On the bright side, we could be the Astros right now.

[Brownie19]

People are literally jumping off a Cliff here. We are 4 games below .500 at the beginning of May. If we are still below .500 into June with 6 games vs the White Sox and 3 vs Tampa then we can seriously start talking about going into full rebuild. On the bright side, we could be the Astros right now.

 

Most see through how lucky we've been so far and expect it won't continue. Pitching and Offense is awful, run differential is awful. It would take an unprecedented turn around for this season to not be over at this point.

[Stangstag]

See this is the problem with this team. Springer clearly looking like he hurt himself during that at bat, he goes back to the dugout and no coaches go up to have a chat with him.

[Jimcanuck]

Most see through how lucky we've been so far and expect it won't continue. Pitching and Offense is awful, run differential is awful. It would take an unprecedented turn around for this season to not be over at this point.

 

All they need is a sausage to turn the season around.

[Laika]

“I was always a pull hitter,” Schneider says. “I hated going the other way. I hated singles to right field. As a kid, growing up, you want to hit home runs. I always tried to do that from little league until high school — ironically enough, I never hit a home run to left field at my high school, but it’s a big park, like 340 feet to left, so it was kind of tough to get it out of there.”

 

lolllllllllllllll I love DS

 

I asked Schneider a question I like to pose to ballplayers who had anything other than a fast track run from high school to the majors: What would you have done for a living if baseball hadn’t worked out? And it turns out Schneider’s motivation to avoid extra schooling is quite powerful. He said he wanted to be a firefighter, because it doesn’t require a degree.

[glory]

“I was always a pull hitter,” Schneider says. “I hated going the other way. I hated singles to right field. As a kid, growing up, you want to hit home runs. I always tried to do that from little league until high school — ironically enough, I never hit a home run to left field at my high school, but it’s a big park, like 340 feet to left, so it was kind of tough to get it out of there.”

 

Now we know why it took so long for DS to finally become a regular starter this season. Hating singles to right field and only wanting to pull the ball to hit home runs probably made him an outcast within the org.

[BigCecil]

“I was always a pull hitter,” Schneider says. “I hated going the other way. I hated singles to right field. As a kid, growing up, you want to hit home runs. I always tried to do that from little league until high school — ironically enough, I never hit a home run to left field at my high school, but it’s a big park, like 340 feet to left, so it was kind of tough to get it out of there.”

 

lolllllllllllllll I love DS

 

I asked Schneider a question I like to pose to ballplayers who had anything other than a fast track run from high school to the majors: What would you have done for a living if baseball hadn’t worked out? And it turns out Schneider’s motivation to avoid extra schooling is quite powerful. He said he wanted to be a firefighter, because it doesn’t require a degree.

 

I am going to send this to my son - 15 playing 18U- pretty solid player but work in progress playing on full size field and park first year. So much good here.

[Brownie19]

See this is the problem with this team. Springer clearly looking like he hurt himself during that at bat, he goes back to the dugout and no coaches go up to have a chat with him.

 

That is not what's wrong with the team. If Springer is hurt, he will tell someone. He's a grown ass man. He doesn't need a trainer coming over and asking if there little baby has an ouchie.

[Laika]

It's Jim Bowden so this is worse than trash, but I will paste it here anyway:

 

Bowden: Way too early MLB trades I’d like to see happen, plus Luis Arraez trade takeaways

 

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2. Blue Jays trade 1B Vladimir Guerrero Jr. to Astros for 1B/OF Joey Loperfido and OF Kenedy Corona

 

Vladimir Guerrero Jr. celebrates after hitting a grand slam Sunday. (Geoff Burke / USA Today)

Guerrero will be a free agent after the 2025 season and the Blue Jays have yet to sign him to a long-term deal. They’d get a much better return in a trade now than they would in the offseason or in the leadup to next year’s trade deadline; therefore, they’ll need to seriously consider dealing him this July if they fall out of the race. Guerrero is still only 25 years old and just entering his prime years. Could you imagine him hitting between Yordan Alvarez and Kyle Tucker over the next two seasons (at least)? Vlad Jr.’s best season was in 2021, when he led the majors with 48 home runs and topped the AL with a 1.002 OPS. He followed that up with a 32-homer season and a Gold Glove Award in 2022. However, the three-time All-Star’s numbers dipped last year to 26 homers and a .788 OPS, and this year he’s batting only .239 with four homers, 15 RBIs and a .711 OPS. A change of scenery, especially a move to Houston, could be a huge boost for him. The Astros need help at first base. José Abreu, who last week was optioned to the team’s spring training facility, appears to be in serious decline. Jon Singleton has played well for them, but he’s more of a solid bench player. Guerrero would solve first base for the Astros and really lengthen their lineup.

 

In return, the Blue Jay would get Loperfido, who could take over first base long term. He was leading the minors with 13 home runs when the Astros promoted him last week. Loperfido, 24, also can play left field. Corona, 24, can play all three outfield positions and profiles as a 20-home run, 30-stolen base, top-of-the-lineup type producer. He is hitting .185/.340/.309 this season in Double A with 10 steals in 11 attempts. Both players won’t be arbitration-eligible until at least 2027.

[Jimcanuck]

It's Jim Bowden so this is worse than trash, but I will paste it here anyway:

 

Bowden: Way too early MLB trades I’d like to see happen, plus Luis Arraez trade takeaways

 

...

 

 

2. Blue Jays trade 1B Vladimir Guerrero Jr. to Astros for 1B/OF Joey Loperfido and OF Kenedy Corona

 

Vladimir Guerrero Jr. celebrates after hitting a grand slam Sunday. (Geoff Burke / USA Today)

Guerrero will be a free agent after the 2025 season and the Blue Jays have yet to sign him to a long-term deal. They’d get a much better return in a trade now than they would in the offseason or in the leadup to next year’s trade deadline; therefore, they’ll need to seriously consider dealing him this July if they fall out of the race. Guerrero is still only 25 years old and just entering his prime years. Could you imagine him hitting between Yordan Alvarez and Kyle Tucker over the next two seasons (at least)? Vlad Jr.’s best season was in 2021, when he led the majors with 48 home runs and topped the AL with a 1.002 OPS. He followed that up with a 32-homer season and a Gold Glove Award in 2022. However, the three-time All-Star’s numbers dipped last year to 26 homers and a .788 OPS, and this year he’s batting only .239 with four homers, 15 RBIs and a .711 OPS. A change of scenery, especially a move to Houston, could be a huge boost for him. The Astros need help at first base. José Abreu, who last week was optioned to the team’s spring training facility, appears to be in serious decline. Jon Singleton has played well for them, but he’s more of a solid bench player. Guerrero would solve first base for the Astros and really lengthen their lineup.

 

In return, the Blue Jay would get Loperfido, who could take over first base long term. He was leading the minors with 13 home runs when the Astros promoted him last week. Loperfido, 24, also can play left field. Corona, 24, can play all three outfield positions and profiles as a 20-home run, 30-stolen base, top-of-the-lineup type producer. He is hitting .185/.340/.309 this season in Double A with 10 steals in 11 attempts. Both players won’t be arbitration-eligible until at least 2027.

 

That's an insult to trash

[vdartanian]

Where the f*** is Yimi these days....if he can't throw then put him on the DL and bring someone up who can contribute FFS. Not sure why this franchise continues to to try and win (or not win) games with one hand tied behind their back

[Laika]

Where the f*** is Yimi these days....if he can't throw then put him on the DL and bring someone up who can contribute FFS. Not sure why this franchise continues to to try and win (or not win) games with one hand tied behind their back

 

good point, what a clusterf*** that has been

[wilko]

Where the f*** is Yimi these days....if he can't throw then put him on the DL and bring someone up who can contribute FFS. Not sure why this franchise continues to to try and win (or not win) games with one hand tied behind their back

 

I don't even remember them saying anything other than "Yimi's not available today".

[Laika]

Garcia has not pitched in TEN f***ING DAYS and he is not on the IL

 

oh my god the inexplicable incompetence there

[Stangstag]

Where the f*** is Yimi these days....if he can't throw then put him on the DL and bring someone up who can contribute FFS. Not sure why this franchise continues to to try and win (or not win) games with one hand tied behind their back

 

Listening to Blair and Barker eh.

 

I do agree though, why have him siting in the pen taking up a spot if he can't pitch?

[Brownie19]

Listening to Blair and Barker eh.

 

I do agree though, why have him siting in the pen taking up a spot if he can't pitch?

 

Probably because the alternatives are so f***ing terrible there's no point? Who are we calling up? Espino? People are upset that Schneider doesn't have Paulo Espino at his disposal to get through all these close games we play in? We already have IKF to come pitch in blowouts.

 

 

I mean it is really bizarre. Have to assume they initially thought he would be back in a few days, so didn't pull the trigger, then there was a setback or it isn't healing as fast and the re-evaluation suggests it will still be just another day or two? Something like that. Can they still backdate an IL stint to the last time he pitched?

[bluejaysinternNo5]

https://twitter.com/Sportsnet/status/1788301718570115222/mediaViewer?currentTweet=1788301718570115222&currentTweetUser=Sportsnet

 

DS wants to kill Vlad

[Stangstag]

Probably because the alternatives are so f***ing terrible there's no point? Who are we calling up? Espino? People are upset that Schneider doesn't have Paulo Espino at his disposal to get through all these close games we play in? We already have IKF to come pitch in blowouts.

 

 

I mean it is really bizarre. Have to assume they initially thought he would be back in a few days, so didn't pull the trigger, then there was a setback or it isn't healing as fast and the re-evaluation suggests it will still be just another day or two? Something like that. Can they still backdate an IL stint to the last time he pitched?

 

Yes the IL stint can be back-dated. Jays have essentially been running a 25-man roster for the last 10 days. And this 10-day stretch has been the worst of the season, so you could argue an extra arm might've helped, even just to soak up some innings.

[Stangstag]

https://twitter.com/Sportsnet/status/1788301718570115222/mediaViewer?currentTweet=1788301718570115222¤tTweetUser=Sportsnet

 

DS wants to kill Vlad

 

Proof that Vlad cannot read the room

[Eat My Shatkins]

https://twitter.com/Sportsnet/status/1788301718570115222/mediaViewer?currentTweet=1788301718570115222¤tTweetUser=Sportsnet

 

DS wants to kill Vlad

 

Page doesn't exist anymore, what'd it say?

[Carlos Danger]

https://twitter.com/Sportsnet/status/1788301718570115222/mediaViewer?currentTweet=1788301718570115222¤tTweetUser=Sportsnet

 

DS wants to kill Vlad

 

I'm getting a bad link... Just me?

[Eat My Shatkins]

Proof that Vlad cannot read the room

 

Vlad has the IQ of a peanut.

 

I think he and L54 would get along great

[bluejaysinternNo5]

 

Sorry that’s the right link I think !