General Blue Jays Discussion Thread (2024)

[Angrioter]

Manoah updated:

 

Walk

Walk

Walk

Walk

K

SF

K

 

IP, 2ER,4 walks, 2 Ks

[Spanky99]

Manoah updated:

 

Walk

Walk

Walk

Walk

K

SF

K

 

IP, 2ER,4 walks, 2 Ks

 

[leaffie]

Has anyone seen another pitcher with such promise fall off like this.

[Brownie19]

Manoah today, so far:

Walk

Walk

Walk walk

 

 

4 strikes, 18 balls

 

Ouch. What a disaster.

[Eat My Shatkins]

Manoah just gave a homer, 6 earned runs in 1.2 IP

[Brownie19]

Manoah just gave a homer, 6 earned runs in 1.2 IP

 

We're cursed. We could be DFA'ing Manoah and Vlad at some point this year.

[Eat My Shatkins]

Another earned run off another hit, 7 runs now

 

EDIT: Now he hit a batter

[Spanky99]

Manoah just gave a homer, 6 earned runs in 1.2 IP

 

lol... at least Nimmala went deep!

[Angrioter]

Manoah:

 

1.2 IP, 5H, 7R, HBP, 4BB, 2K, HR

[Orgfiller]

Has anyone seen another pitcher with such promise fall off like this.

 

Tons but usually there’s an injury or multiple involved. Granted, maybe his shoulder thing is more serious than initially attributed to just laziness and poor conditioning. Or it’s both.

Edited April 7, 2024 by Orgfiller

[Eat My Shatkins]

lol... at least Nimmala went deep!

 

Silver linings haha

 

Manoah pulled, final line:

 

1.2 IP

5 hits

7 earned runs

4 walks

1 hit batter

2 Ks

1 home run

37.8 ERA

 

58 pitches, 26 strikes

[Sorrow]

I'm expecting Manoah shoulder surgery announcement before May, misses the year and is released this winter.

 

Namala hit a nice home run though of Gipson-Long who has had a decent start to his MLB career.

[Omar]

Has anyone seen another pitcher with such promise fall off like this.

 

In the early 90's there was the much touted prospect named Todd Van Poppel. Like Manoah he didn't have a great deal of minor league experience. While not identical, there are some paralells there if you want to dig into the Van Poppel story.

[leaffie]

Thanks. I do remember him. I am probably one of the few that feels badly for Manoah.

[Jays333]

Werent all the real analytic nerds saying all along that Manoahs really good season seemed like a complete fluke?

[John_Havok]

Thanks. I do remember him. I am probably one of the few that feels badly for Manoah.

 

I'm just mainly curious as to how his command just vaporized. Just watching his side-by-side shots from 2022 to 2023 and you can see differences in hand and leg positions which throws everything off. He may need to be a complete delivery rebuild kind of situation.

[Spanky99]

Thanks. I do remember him. I am probably one of the few that feels badly for Manoah.

 

Nah, I feel for that guy, he must be so far deep in his head it's scary. I hope they figure it out.

[Brownie19]

In the early 90's there was the much touted prospect named Todd Van Poppel. Like Manoah he didn't have a great deal of minor league experience. While not identical, there are some paralells there if you want to dig into the Van Poppel story.

 

Van Poppel never had any success at the ML level though. Not many pitchers go from 3rd in the Cy Young voting to out of baseball 2 seasons later. Vladdy curse

[BigCecil]

In the early 90's there was the much touted prospect named Todd Van Poppel. Like Manoah he didn't have a great deal of minor league experience. While not identical, there are some paralells there if you want to dig into the Van Poppel story.

 

Not a bad comparison but he had lights out stuff and threw high V for the day. Manoah was never that. TVP got derailed more by injuries didn’t he?

[Spanky99]

Werent all the real analytic nerds saying all along that Manoahs really good season seemed like a complete fluke?

 

Yes, more of a 3rd/4th type of guy than an ace, but... BOOM... he fell flat on his face! You can see he worked hard in the off season to get in shape etc, but it's an enigma the way he just lost his command out of the blue.

[Brownie19]

Werent all the real analytic nerds saying all along that Manoahs really good season seemed like a complete fluke?

 

yes - most believed he was never as good as the 2022 stats suggested. But most expected he could be a solid #2/#3 type.

[Spanky99]

Not a bad comparison but he had lights out stuff and threw high V for the day. Manoah was never that. TVP got derailed more by injuries didn’t he?

 

Yeah, top of the rotation hype, to mid rotation hype, but a cool name I haven't heard in a while...

[Omar]

Not a bad comparison but he had lights out stuff and threw high V for the day. Manoah was never that. TVP got derailed more by injuries didn’t he?

 

His stuff just didn't play in the bigs.

[Brownie19]

His stuff just didn't play in the bigs.

 

It may not play in Independent Baseball

[Omar]

Van Poppel never had any success at the ML level though. Not many pitchers go from 3rd in the Cy Young voting to out of baseball 2 seasons later. Vladdy curse

 

Well he asked about pitchers with high promise and low return. TVP and Manoah have similar development stories. You should gett off the Vladdy blame game.

[Brownie19]

Well he asked about pitchers with high promise and low return. TVP and Manoah have similar development stories. You should gett off the Vladdy blame game.

 

This team will never have success so long as Vlad is on it. Book it.

[ColdPint]

I can’t recall - does the GM get an introduction during opening day pregame festivities?

 

Chances of a loud chorus of boos tomorrow if so?

[Laika]

I can’t recall - does the GM get an introduction during opening day pregame festivities?

 

Chances of a loud chorus of boos tomorrow if so?

 

No haha

[bluejaysinternNo5]

It’s incredible how quickly things seem to have fallen apart. 2021 felt so good and I thought we had another 3 years of that to come. Things really looked incredible with Vlad finding his footing, Manoah getting his feet wet and looking great, guys like Kirk mashing, smart signings like Semien producing, etc. Now we know Vlad is not the Lisan Al-Gaieb, Manoah can’t get hitters out in single A, and our biggest off season acquisition is IKF.

 

The only positive I can think of is that if things can swing negatively that quickly, then perhaps they can swing positively that quickly as well. It will need to.

[John_Havok]

It’s incredible how quickly things seem to have fallen apart. 2021 felt so good and I thought we had another 3 years of that to come. Things really looked incredible with Vlad finding his footing, Manoah getting his feet wet and looking great, guys like Kirk mashing, smart signings like Semien producing, etc. Now we know Vlad is not the Lisan Al-Gaieb, Manoah can’t get hitters out in single A, and our biggest off season acquisition is IKF.

 

The only positive I can think of is that if things can swing negatively that quickly, then perhaps they can swing positively that quickly as well. It will need to.

 

The positive really is they've been playing like dogshit and are still 4-6 against 3 of the top 10 teams in the game. When a good team plays bad against other good teams, they go 4-6.

 

I doubt they'll score many runs over the next 3 games either given the SP they are facing, but the plus side there is the Mariners can't score either.