General Blue Jays Discussion Thread (2023)

[Laika]

Ya. Some do struggle. Some also take off with the good ol’ “change of scenery” narrative. Got any of that documentation to share? I’m curious.

 

I can't find anything right now. Eno Sarris talks about it from time to time on his podcasts. The buzzword is "pressing" - there is some type of evidence that players tend to press when joining new teams after trades or big contracts.

 

But, it's a tough thing to google or search

[Eat My Shatkins]

It's nice to be 17-9 when Varsho, Springer and Belt haven't gotten it going with the sticks yet.

 

Edit: Jansen too

[Solaxys]

 

Not sure when McGee is pitching, but if it is today, that is a scumbaggy move.

[Laika]

 

Not sure when McGee is pitching, but if it is today, that is a scumbaggy move.

 

why?

[G-Snarls]

Varsho is too much in his head, trying to 'outthink' the pitcher.

Just needs to go back to instinct, might be worth to give him a less aggressive spot in the lineup so he can relax a bit.

 

Seems to have too much talent to not figure it out at some point

[G-Snarls]

It's nice to be 17-9 when Varsho, Springer and Belt haven't gotten it going with the sticks yet.

 

Edit: Jansen too

 

Jansen is our strakiest bat

 

Can do nothing for a week then hit 4 bombs in one series out of nowhere

[Solaxys]

why?

 

Not enough prep time for anyone to evaluate a gameplan against the pitcher, especially today being a night into afternoon start. They announced it last night or possibly even earlier today, so I presume, all video review and what not started today morning on the pitcher.

 

It might not end up mattering 'cause AAA (though he is from the Rays pipeline), but it might.

[BigCecil]

Seems to have too much talent to not figure it out at some point

 

You would think. But I’ve seen saying that since Biggio first came up with that elite eye. Lol. Biggio tranche of stats when he came up in that first season were so good, including hard hit rate. Was tantalizing. Then they figured him out. I’m hoping! Only been a month for Varsho.

[Jonn]

I have defended Biggio more on this board than probably anyone. But theres absolutely no reason Whit Merrifield shouldn't be playing everyday at this point. I guess they feel they can get the best out of Cavan when the other team is starter is right-handed and doesn't throw hard. Problem is he hasn't really hit anything this season and he hasn't been getting on base either.

[Solaxys]

I have defended Biggio more on this board than probably anyone. But theres absolutely no reason Whit Merrifield shouldn't be playing everyday at this point. I guess they feel they can get the best out of Cavan when the other team is starter is right-handed and doesn't throw hard. Problem is he hasn't really hit anything this season and he hasn't been getting on base either.

 

Whit is probably going to be used heavily in the Sox and Pirates series. Good chunk of lefties. Probably getting him an early rest day, if not for other reasons.

[Terminator]

I can't find anything right now. Eno Sarris talks about it from time to time on his podcasts. The buzzword is "pressing" - there is some type of evidence that players tend to press when joining new teams after trades or big contracts.

 

But, it's a tough thing to google or search

 

Yeah I remember reading about it last year during Semien’s slow start after he signed that big contract.

[Terminator]

I have defended Biggio more on this board than probably anyone. But theres absolutely no reason Whit Merrifield shouldn't be playing everyday at this point. I guess they feel they can get the best out of Cavan when the other team is starter is right-handed and doesn't throw hard. Problem is he hasn't really hit anything this season and he hasn't been getting on base either.

 

I’ve been telling you that Craig Biggio’s son is garbage for years now Jonn. Glad you are finally listening.

[Carlos Danger]

Varsho got off to a slow start when he was called up. Then he picked it up… He then got hurt or was sent down again or ICR, when he came back he started off slow then picked it up.

 

I have Varsho on most of my fantasy teams. Apart from a few where I traded for him when he was in AA, the reason I was able to acquire him is because he was in a slump/cold and the other team was willing to part with him.

 

I guarantee you, a month or two later the other managers were kicking themselves for selling low.

 

Varsho will be fine. Not even May yet. I recall we wanted to DFA EE a bunch of times and did, because of his hitting in April.

 

The team is winning despite Varsho and they have certainly not lost a game due to Varsho. When he gets on base he is almost always getting an extra base in some form or another and scoring runs. The run prevention he provides is worth the spot in the line-up. Taking good routes, no extra bobbles in the corners, hitting the cut off man, throwing guys out etc, all solid contributions that make the team much better than last year.

 

I am not concerned yet, and we are a better team with him in the line up then not.

Edited April 29, 2023 by Carlos Danger

[Laika]

Not enough prep time for anyone to evaluate a gameplan against the pitcher, especially today being a night into afternoon start. They announced it last night or possibly even earlier today, so I presume, all video review and what not started today morning on the pitcher.

 

It might not end up mattering 'cause AAA (though he is from the Rays pipeline), but it might.

 

It's not a scumbag move though

 

Fully within their rights

[Solaxys]

It's not a scumbag move though

 

Fully within their rights

 

I didn't say it was an illegal move!

[connorp]

I’ve been telling you that Craig Biggio’s son is garbage for years now Jonn. Glad you are finally listening.

 

Yeah, but you also let the big Jansen circle jerk last season fool you. Give him another 100 ABs and he’d be back to what he is. A 160 wRC+ bat one month and 70 the next two. League average

[Jonn]

I’ve been telling you that Craig Biggio’s son is garbage for years now Jonn. Glad you are finally listening.

 

He went from very good. To injury prone and playing inconsistently. I was willing to wipe out 21 and 22 because he had all those neck problems. But now hes not even walking anymore. So yes ofcourse I think he shouldn't be playing over Whit. Its still only been 15 games but he has not had success since 2020 so here we are.

[G-Snarls]

This fn division

 

Win 5 games in a row and still in 3rd place

 

SMH

[Terminator]

On top of the Biggio fanboys finally giving up I’ve also noticed the Jansen fanboys are awfully quiet but the “swing and miss” whiners have been completely blown out. Jays bullpen leads the league in whiff percentage. Lol

[max silver]

I’ve been telling you that Craig Biggio’s son is garbage for years now Jonn. Glad you are finally listening.

 

Just like you told us that Bellinger was completely washed up. Oh wait, he's already produced 1.1 WAR in only 22 games. Or how about when you told us that Nick Frasso was a total nothing prospect. At a quick glance he's currently tearing up AA with a 1.86 FIP and 13 K/9. It seems that more often than not you are shown to be completely full of s*** with your bold proclamations.

[max silver]

On top of the Biggio fanboys finally giving up I’ve also noticed the Jansen fanboys are awfully quiet but the “swing and miss” whiners have been completely blown out. Jays bullpen leads the league in whiff percentage. Lol

 

Jansen is arguably the team's hottest hitter right now, but I wouldn't expect the likes of you to actually recognize that. Over his last 8 games Jansen has produced a 225 WRC+ with very solid underlying numbers to back it up.

[Terminator]

Just like you told us that Bellinger was completely washed up. Oh wait, he's already produced 1.1 WAR in only 22 games. Or how about when you told us that Nick Frasso was a total nothing prospect. At a quick glance he's currently tearing up AA with a 1.86 FIP and 13 K/9. It seems that more often than not you are shown to be completely full of s*** with your bold proclamations.

 

I can’t remember who the “swing and miss” dummies were exactly but based on your bitchy reply I can only assume that you were one of the ringleaders.

 

And listen pal, I don’t regret picking KK at half the price over Bellinger. On a dollar per war basis I’m right on that one so far anyway but nice try. I also am not getting my panties in a bunch over a 24 year old who has had a few good starts in AA either.

 

And I’m glad your boy Jansen is flourishing as the backup catcher where he belongs. Not sure if you actually watch the games or not but Kirk almost single handedly won us the game yesterday against an All Star pitcher. Yeah he’s fat so after that Herculean effort he deserves a day off but I can’t wait for Jansen to run into one against this AAA s*** baller and watch all you fanboys clap like seals for him like he should be the starter. Give me a break bud.

[max silver]

I can’t remember who the “swing and miss” dummies were exactly but based on your bitchy reply I can only assume that you were one of the ringleaders.

 

And listen pal, I don’t regret picking KK at half the price over Bellinger. On a dollar per war basis I’m right on that one so far anyway but nice try. I also am not getting my panties in a bunch over a 24 year old who has had a few good starts in AA either.

 

And I’m glad your boy Jansen is flourishing as the backup catcher where he belongs. Not sure if you actually watch the games or not but Kirk almost single handedly won us the game yesterday against an All Star pitcher. Yeah he’s fat so after that Herculean effort he deserves a day off but I can’t wait for Jansen to run into one against this AAA s*** baller and watch all you fanboys clap like seals for him like he should be the starter. Give me a break bud.

 

I was perfectly fine with the construction of the Jays pen and I'm on record stating I thought it could become a strength if Pearson and Green were able to pitch up to their capabilities.

 

I'm perfectly fine with the team signing Kiermaier as he fit in the team's budget better, however I didn't feel the need to constantly run down the other choice due to an obvious deeply rooted set of insecurities such as you display.

 

I like both Jansen and Kirk as the two of them formed MLB's most productive catching duo last season. Early on Jansen's framing numbers look to be greatly improved so he very well may have shored up his only major weakness. If you think it's cool or somehow gives you credibility to talk s*** about a legitimately good player who plays in the team I assume you are cheering for, then you are even dumber than you appear based on the constant stream of nonsense that you post.

 

The incessant back patting and low quality troll baiting are simply exposing you as the loud mouth low knowledge fraud that you are.

[Stangstag]

It's not a scumbag move though

 

Fully within their rights

 

OK Mr. Bauer, we get it.

[Terminator]

Seriously though, who were the idiots running the “Atkins can’t find swing and miss” brigade? Let’s drag them

[connorp]

OK Mr. Bauer, we get it.

 

I saw they gave him a gigantic 7 story banner or something on some major downtown building in Japan

[The_DH]

If Mitch White is on re-hab and Cimber is only gone for a couple of weeks in total, what's the next moves on the pen?

[John_Havok]

If Mitch White is on re-hab and Cimber is only gone for a couple of weeks in total, what's the next moves on the pen?

 

Pearson or Pop get sent down. Probably Pearson

[The_DH]

Pearson or Pop get sent down. Probably Pearson

 

Meant to say that Cimber and White will have to be activated. Yeah I understand Pearson but Pop?

[John_Havok]

Meant to say that Cimber and White will have to be activated. Yeah I understand Pearson but Pop?

 

It's either that or a DFA. I really don't think you want to DFA Bass or Richards yet if you don't have to just to keep Pop on the roster. If they truly didnt care about losing Bass, he'd probably be the guy to go though