General Blue Jays Discussion Thread (2023)

[Laika]

Not sure about that. I'm pulling this out of my ass but it seems like 6/150 for Chapman vs 8/200 for Bellinger are what they're hoping for.

 

Now whether any of them get that is what's causing the delay of them signing. Bellinger gets more term/risk due to his age but I don't think there's going to be more than a 5M difference annually.

 

That's what they want but they won't get it

 

My guess for Chapman is 4/$80m. He'd be lucky to get $100m

 

Bellinger, maybe he does get $150m

[Stangstag]

That's what they want but they won't get it

 

My guess for Chapman is 4/$80m. He'd be lucky to get $100m

 

Bellinger, maybe he does get $150m

 

4/80 for Chapman is palatable. I think his contract will be close to Springer’s though.

 

150 for Bellinger is still risky but I’d probably do it considering the team’s current/future outlook.

[max silver]

4/80 for Chapman is palatable. I think his contract will be close to Springer’s though.

 

150 for Bellinger is still risky but I’d probably do it considering the team’s current/future outlook.

 

I have a really hard time envisioning anyone handing out a Springer contract to Chapman given the boom/bust offensive profile. Although Boras seems to have a way to convince dumb owners to hand out mega deals while completely sidestepping their front offices so who knows.

[L54]

Chapman’s market is beginning to dry up. Scotty may have overshot his hand

 

Who were the players heading into the offseason?

 

Arizona - traded for Suarez

 

San Francisco - took on Ray’s contract, signed the Asian dude for too much money

 

Yankees - Soto, need starting pitching now. Still possible

 

Cubs - almost certainly prefer Bellinger but could use Chapman

 

Jays - have already signed the cornerstone IKF

 

Seattle - LOL

 

Detroit?

[Stangstag]

Chapman’s market is beginning to dry up. Scotty may have overshot his hand

 

Who were the players heading into the offseason?

 

Arizona - traded for Suarez

 

San Francisco - took on Ray’s contract, signed the Asian dude for too much money

 

Yankees - Soto, need starting pitching now. Still possible

 

Cubs - almost certainly prefer Bellinger but could use Chapman

 

Jays - have already signed the cornerstone IKF

 

Seattle - LOL

 

Detroit?

 

I could definitely see Chapman to the Yanks. And it would suck.

[MikeM3]

Chapman’s market is beginning to dry up. Scotty may have overshot his hand

 

Who were the players heading into the offseason?

 

Arizona - traded for Suarez

 

San Francisco - took on Ray’s contract, signed the Asian dude for too much money

 

Yankees - Soto, need starting pitching now. Still possible

 

Cubs - almost certainly prefer Bellinger but could use Chapman

 

Jays - have already signed the cornerstone IKF

 

Seattle - LOL

 

Detroit?

 

Cubs

[deanmike]

Based on what I've read about Chapman's connections to multiple current members of the Giants organization, plus KingSarcasm already said Jays won't be bringing Chapman back and he hasn't missed yet, I would be shocked if Chapman doesn't sign with San Francisco.

[MikeM3]

Looks like we hired some guy named Ricky Meinhold to be our pitching coordinator which I guess is a move in the right direction.

 

But he doesn't seem like a stuffist from what I've watched of his interviews so that's concerning.

[L54]

Looks like we hired some guy named Ricky Meinhold to be our pitching coordinator which I guess is a move in the right direction.

 

But he doesn't seem like a stuffist from what I've watched of his interviews so that's concerning.

 

Does he like to have a couple drinks in Florida in February?

[MikeM3]

Does he like to have a couple drinks in Florida in February?

 

Hey what if this guy's job is just to coordinate rides for Walker

[Spanky__99]

Man, Teo would've been a nice pillow deal candidate.

 

F U Dodgers!

[BigCecil]

Man, Teo would've been a nice pillow deal candidate.

 

F U Dodgers!

 

This off season feels like an Agatha Christie novel as one after another just gets killed off.

[Grant77]

This off season feels like an Agatha Christie novel as one after another just gets killed off.

 

*last free agent signs*

 

And then there were none...

[BigCecil]

*last free agent signs*

 

And then there were none...

 

Exactly lol. Right out of the “Ten Little In….er..Indigenous People” movie based on her novel.

[L54]

Hey what if this guy's job is just to coordinate rides for Walker

 

Not a bad hire if the org likes Pete

[Sorrow]

On my end I’m hearing nothing. I’ve had two separate posters message me asking if I heard anything over the weekend as they had heard potentially a signing soonish.

 

My source is presently travelling and if my understanding is correct they’re interviewing for a promotion with another org.

[Eat My Shatkins]

On my end I’m hearing nothing. I’ve had two separate posters message me asking if I heard anything over the weekend as they had heard potentially a signing soonish.

 

My source is presently travelling and if my understanding is correct they’re interviewing for a promotion with another org.

 

Did they say who the Jays might be potentially signing soonish?

[Sorrow]

No and I didn’t bother asking. I wouldn’t be surprised if we had an offer out on Teo and he ended up a Dodger.

[Jays24]

Per MLB Network’s Jon Morosi, the San Francisco Giants and Toronto Blue Jays have emerged as potential landing spots for the free agent slugger, citing that both teams are interested in adding “power bats,” with the six-time All-Star and three-time Silver Slugger fitting the bill.

 

P.S. yes I know it's Morosi but I'm desperate for Jays news leading to an impact signing.

[L54]

Per MLB Network’s Jon Morosi, the San Francisco Giants and Toronto Blue Jays have emerged as potential landing spots for the free agent slugger, citing that both teams are interested in adding “power bats,” with the six-time All-Star and three-time Silver Slugger fitting the bill.

 

P.S. yes I know it's Morosi but I'm desperate for Jays news leading to an impact signing.

 

Would love to add J Mart

[Jays24]

Would love to add J Mart

 

Hes literally the perfect candidate given it'd most likely only be a 1 year deal. Still holding out hope Bellingers market totally craters and we get him and J.D.

 

RF Springer

SS Bo

LF Bellinger

1B Vlad

DH Martinez

C Kirk/Jansen

2B Biggio/Schneider

3B IKF

CF KK/Varsho

 

Getting 2 impact bats are still definitely needed on this team to consider them better than last year.

[L54]

Hes literally the perfect candidate given it'd most likely only be a 1 year deal. Still holding out hope Bellingers market totally craters and we get him and J.D.

 

RF Springer

SS Bo

LF Bellinger

1B Vlad

DH Martinez

C Kirk/Jansen

2B Biggio/Schneider

3B IKF

CF KK/Varsho

 

Getting 2 impact bats are still definitely needed on this team to consider them better than last year.

 

Looks good on paper! Don’t think they have the budget to do so though

[G-Snarls]

Looks good on paper! Don’t think they have the budget to do so though

 

Martinez yes

 

Bellinger no

[Jonn]

Per MLB Network’s Jon Morosi, the San Francisco Giants and Toronto Blue Jays have emerged as potential landing spots for the free agent slugger, citing that both teams are interested in adding “power bats,” with the six-time All-Star and three-time Silver Slugger fitting the bill.

 

P.S. yes I know it's Morosi but I'm desperate for Jays news leading to an impact signing.

 

Reported for posting Morosi.

[Frenchsoup]

So who are we targeting? Who is Ross on the phone with.....?

[mphenhef]

So who are we targeting? Who is Ross on the phone with.....?

 

probably his proctologist

[Marew]

Glad we are finally crossing the T and eyes on the bellinger contract that they drafted last month

[Terminator]

https://www.baseballprospectus.com/news/article/87585/transaction-analysis-plesac-sign-better-players-kiner-falefa-martin-perez-kiermaier/

 

Spanky can you paste the relevant Jays stuff from that? Thanks

[BTS]

https://www.baseballprospectus.com/news/article/87585/transaction-analysis-plesac-sign-better-players-kiner-falefa-martin-perez-kiermaier/

 

Spanky can you paste the relevant Jays stuff from that? Thanks

 

The Toronto Blue Jays sign CF Kevin Kiermaier to a one-year, $10.5 million contract.

The Toronto Blue Jays sign UTIL Isiah Kiner-Falefa to a two-year, $15 million contract.

Times really were simpler back in the day. That isn’t to say they were bettert—they were absolutely not better, except maybe in terms of carcinogens inhaled per minute—but it’s undeniable that everything existed on fewer axes.

 

If one were to analyze this transaction 20 years ago, it’d be simple. You’d hardly even need the words: an embedded minor-key MIDI file, maybe a tinny minor-key square-wave rendition of “Everybody Hurts” would accompany the blinking HTML text. “SUBOPTIMAL USE OF RESOURCES,” the page would read, and that’d be that, you’d be free to log off (people still logged off at that point) and go to work to pay for your $700 rent.

 

Pity that poor made-up version of you. Instead we live in an enlightened age, with so many new ideas and perspectives to consider, so many metrics that provide us new insights to better understand the wisdom of baseball teams staffed with all those guys who got into baseball when the blink tag was still around, so many… $15 million? In American dollars, you say. For… wait. Don’t the Blue Jays already have that guy? No, not that one. I’m talking about the other other guy.

 

The Kiermaier thing, fine. The Blue Jays need a center fielder, and there’s two of them on the market—I don’t know what you’re talking about, there’s only two, Bellinger’s a first baseman and wants a lot of money and that’s the end of the conversation—and they’re basically exactly the same guy, except one of them you’ve met and you know you can stand to be in the same room with him for six months. You don’t know if Harrison Bader chews really loud, or can’t shut up about his grind mindset. He’ll start in center about 100 times, which is better than watching Daulton Varsho start in center 130 times, or worse yet watching Daulton Varsho hit while starting in center 130 times. He’ll hit fastballs and whiff on everything else, but it’s okay because he’s hitting ninth and he’s fine for a guy hitting ninth.

 

But you can only have one guy hitting ninth.

 

Look, I don’t want to be this guy. In doing the TA94 series this offseason, I’ve read a lot of articles by This Guy: beat writers, forged and honed on the toxic masculinity of sports radio and alcoholism, who get paid to be angry about the idiocy of the baseball team whose blood feeds them. But this transaction is their origin story. This transaction is the mirror in which madness lies. The Blue Jays have Santiago Espinal. They have Davis Schneider. They have Cavan Biggio. They have Ernie Clement and Orelvis Martinez and Addison Barger and Leo Jimenez.

 

So let’s travel back in time again, and do this differently. Because there’s another phenomenon that used to be a ubiquitous concept in our lives, before they were invaded by smartphones: not knowing things. You’d be sitting in line and suddenly wonder: “Who was Shoeless Joe Jackson in Eight Men Out” and your line of inquiry would just die there, instantly. You couldn’t look up the fact that it was D.B. Sweeney, a tidbit that enriches your life in no way whatsoever except to suffocate your sense of humility and curiosity.

 

I don’t know what the Blue Jays were thinking here. We waited weeks, working on this book, waiting for the truth to reveal itself, and it just didn’t. We have nothing to go on except that it’s a SUBOPTIMAL USE OF RESOURCES. Consider all the ways that it makes sense, on some invisible axis just beyond the periphery of your imagination. There isn’t really an alternative. —Patrick Dubuque

[Spanky__99]

https://www.baseballprospectus.com/news/article/87585/transaction-analysis-plesac-sign-better-players-kiner-falefa-martin-perez-kiermaier/

 

Spanky can you paste the relevant Jays stuff from that? Thanks

 

Don't have access, just BA as BP suxxxxxx