General Blue Jays Discussion Thread (2023)

[connorp]

I remember reading in Steve Jobs biography that early on in the formative years of Apple he insisted on hiring every manager no matter the position. When asked why he said, "to avoid the bozo explosion.". He explained if you hire a bozo they then proceed to hire a bozo like themselves. And so it proceeds down the line and throughout your organization. Next thing you know you have a whole organization of bozos. The hiring of Montoyo et al. is all part of the bozo explosion that Jobs warned about. It wouldn't surprise me if this org is full of bozos from scouting to operations to coaching.

 

Can't wait for the inevitable great purge.

 

Yeah, it’s really basic business philosophy. Employees will end up being a reflection of their manager, good or bad.

Also bad managers will often pass up on employees with more potential, as they see them as a threat

[Brownie19]

What a horrendous twist of fate. The calling card of the Bluejays the last few years has been the explosive offense. So much firepower but not enough pitching to get over the hump.

 

Finally this year we have the best pitching staff we have seen in a decade, and the offense has struggled all season long. All we needed to happen to go on a run was the offense to catch up just a little bit. Instead at the most important part of the season the offense doesn't catch up, it hits a season low, and not only that, the pitching staff is starting to implode now as well.

 

Such a Toronto thing, choking in the biggest moments. How did the Raptors avoid it??

 

Im a fan of a lot of the things Ross has done. I think he needs to be shown the door now though. The Varsho trade, breaking up the Barrio, hiring Montoyo then Schneider, and his heavy analytical approach is enough to out weigh the good he has done. We need a fresh start.

 

You're clueless if you believe this. Utterly clueless.

[bigshot84]

totally agree with u

[Spanky99]

Brownie's Pist!

[connorp]

Brownie's Pist!

 

Do you have a jilted lover or something? Who is the guy taking time out to make threads about you?

[jaysblue]

Brownie's Pist!

 

He pretty much defended Atkins and this FO all season long and with the season almost coming to an end with possible disappointing results, of course he would be pist!

[Brownie19]

He pretty much defended Atkins and this FO all season long and with the season almost coming to an end with possible disappointing results, of course he would be pist!

 

My biggest criticism of this FO is they didn't recognize that Vlad was a such a loser earlier. Could you imagine sitting next to that f***ing slob in the clubhouse? The FO has brought in a team that 100% could compete for the world series - but won't because your generational talent is a f*** bozo who's too fat, stupid, lazy and clueless to perform ANYWHERE near where he could. How about sitting next to Manoah, who's trying to fool everyone with the new personality he created after being drafted, but has eaten his way out of the majors and is going through a personality crisis and has abandoned his team.

 

Yeah it's frustrating as f***. I'm sure guys like Bo want to bash Vlad f***ing face in right now. I sure hope a few players have the balls to let him know he's a f***ing embarrassment who cost them a shot at the playoffs/championship. And I sure hope this FO has learned from this and trades him this offseason for whatever they can get.

Edited September 15, 2023 by Brownie19

[Spanky99]

He pretty much defended Atkins and this FO all season long and with the season almost coming to an end with possible disappointing results, of course he would be pist!

 

Thanks tips, I'm kind of like joking around as people are going full tilt.

[Spanky99]

Do you have a jilted lover or something? Who is the guy taking time out to make threads about you?

 

Don't know, don't f***ing care, someone whom's unhinged.

[BigCecil]

Yankees I see, as that fan base has had a wake up call to see how bad of a mess they are in. This is going to be a multi-year problem for them. Sox fans I don't see how. They were pretty much consensus last place pick in the AL East at the start of the year. If anything they have outperformed and their fan base should be reasonably content.

 

They fired Bloom CBO in Boston. Not sure all the reasons public or non. Mostly since the RedSox finally won their WS rings, they don't take lack of playoff success well and heads roll, and usually higher up than the Mgr. Also GM switch up.

[Spanky99]

They fired Bloom CBO in Boston. Not sure all the reasons public or non. Mostly since the RedSox finally won their WS rings, they don't take lack of playoff success well and heads roll, and usually higher up than the Mgr.

 

Yeah 4 years seems to be their max now, I think I heard Brian Kenny say that yesterday.

[Spanky99]

It seems the Gasman is the only one who seems to speak up on this club...

 

[Stangstag]

It seems the Gasman is the only one who seems to speak up on this club...

 

 

Bassit gifting the Rangers a free run in the first game of the series was an omen for things to come

[Spanky99]

Sign Teo to a pillow deal to come back home, man! Chappy might do the same. We need good Chappy with the stick though. His D is still mint. Schneider working the Whit role, and f*** man we just need guys to regress to their mean man, all of them and we're easily in this PS... I went off track there, who f***ing cares win or lower your heads in shame Birds.

[Spanky99]

Bassit gifting the Rangers a free run in the first game of the series was an omen for things to come

 

Oh yeah, the balk, da fuq was that?

[Jonn]

Nuke this f***ing roster dude. I can't f***ing wait. Most boring and frustrating Blue Jays team of all time. I had more fun watching the early 2000's teams lol.

[Carlos Danger]

Bassit gifting the Rangers a free run in the first game of the series was an omen for things to come

 

2015 Team did the same in Game 5 and they had the huevos to pull themselves up from their bootstraps and comeback. Vlad Jr ain't no Joey Bats. This team doesn't make MLB SS nervous and intimidate pitchers.

 

Personally, when I saw such s*** attendance there Monday night for a huge series, it took the wind out of my sails a little and I am sitting at home...

 

Lastly, a good bullpen maintains run deficit, not just holds and saves. Our pen has been horrible about allowing the game to get out of hand and stick a knife in it..

[Omar]

Sign Teo to a pillow deal to come back home, man! Chappy might do the same. We need good Chappy with the stick though. His D is still mint. Schneider working the Whit role, and f*** man we just need guys to regress to their mean man, all of them and we're easily in this PS... I went off track there, who f***ing cares win or lower your heads in shame Birds.

 

I like the idea of Teo coming back, especially if we can swing a two year deal.

 

Chappy I'm no so sure of. He will be pricey and man does not live on Defense alone. I would let him walk. Let's move on. Orelvis is tracking to play third in 2025. Go stop gap at third next season and bide our time until 2025.

[Krylian]

It seems the Gasman is the only one who seems to speak up on this club...

 

 

Fans are more mad.

Players are earning a salary to stink...

Fans pay out of pocket to watch this s***.

[Laika]

Sign Teo to a pillow deal to come back home, man! Chappy might do the same. We need good Chappy with the stick though. His D is still mint. Schneider working the Whit role, and f*** man we just need guys to regress to their mean man, all of them and we're easily in this PS... I went off track there, who f***ing cares win or lower your heads in shame Birds.

 

Isn't Chapman the only good 3B in free agency? Feels like he is a lock to get a decent contract.

[RustyTrombone]

May the baseball gods have mercy on whichever team gives Chapman the bag.

[Ray]

There's probably multiple points of failure that led to this team where it is.

 

I don't blame faulty roster construction as much. The front office set out to improve pitching and defense and were incredibly successful in that. Other than that, how could the front office have possibly predicted that a team with a high-contact rate and that hits the ball as hard as they do would be the 2nd worst slugging team on middle middle fastballs? No model or traditional scouting would be able to predict that. They literally ran into the top percentile outcome for underperformance for so many position players + bad luck with RISP.

 

The more interesting question is why are these things happening. Is it coaching? Yeah, maybe. But presumably, the same hitting coaches/game-planning/strategy were responsible for literally the best run-scoring team the last two years, so why adjust how you approach gameplans and analytics when there's a long sample size of things clearly working?

 

It's honestly one of the more baffling baseball seasons I've ever experienced. So many unexplainable things that go against reasonable thinking + a touch of bad luck that I find it hard to fault any single individual or department. I expect we will see some changes because it's a results driven business, but it's so hard to logically describe what went wrong this season.

Edited September 15, 2023 by Ray

[Sorrow]

Isn't Chapman the only good 3B in free agency? Feels like he is a lock to get a decent contract.

 

There's Jeimer Candelario but he has a pretty sad savant page. 1.9 WAR in 2020, 3.8 in 21, -0.1 in 22 and 3.3 ytd this season.

[Spanky99]

Isn't Chapman the only good 3B in free agency? Feels like he is a lock to get a decent contract.

 

Yeah, he'll get large, glimmer of hope, incase he'd want to stay another year, lol.

[thatoneguy]

There's probably multiple points of failure that led to this team where it is.

 

I don't blame faulty roster construction as much. The front office set out to improve pitching and defense and were incredibly successful in that. Other than that, how could the front office have possibly predicted that a team with a high-contact rate and that hits the ball as hard as they do would be the 2nd worst slugging team on middle middle fastballs? No model or traditional scouting would be able to predict that. They literally ran into the top percentile outcome for underperformance for so many position players + bad luck with RISP.

 

The more interesting question is why are these things happening. Is it coaching? Yeah, maybe. But presumably, the same hitting coaches/game-planning/strategy were responsible for literally the best run-scoring team the last two years, so why adjust how you approach gameplans and analytics when there's a long sample size of things clearly working?

 

It's honestly one of the more baffling baseball seasons I've ever experienced. So many unexplainable things that go against reasonable thinking + a touch of bad luck that I find it hard to fault any single individual or department. I expect we will see some changes because it's a results driven business, but it's so hard to logically describe what went wrong this season.

 

I do reckon this falls on the players (mostly position players) for simply not rising to the occasion too many times. Too many poor approaches at the plate, questionable fitness and attitudes especially from those who are supposed to be the stars, and frankly a lack of any sort of identity. Analogous to the Maple Leafs' struggles to do anything in the playoffs. Something seems rotten in the clubhouse in terms of team culture.

[Terminator]

May the baseball gods have mercy on whichever team gives Chapman the bag.

 

Yeah toward the end of his next contract he's going to be playing good defense while hitting under the mendoza line. Easy pass.

[glory]

Chapman on a long term FA deal in his 30's is disgusting. Let someone else live with that. Offer the QO and if he takes it then great. If not then you take the pick and move on.

 

Teoscar would fit the team needs perfectly, and we know he'd energize the clubhouse, but curious to see what type of contract he could get. The FA market doesn't look that great, and he's had a great 2nd half of the season. I could see him getting a 3+ year deal somewhere. If he's looking for a pillow contract then the Jays should be all over it.

[Spanky99]

I like the idea of Teo coming back, especially if we can swing a two year deal.

 

Chappy I'm no so sure of. He will be pricey and man does not live on Defense alone. I would let him walk. Let's move on. Orelvis is tracking to play third in 2025. Go stop gap at third next season and bide our time until 2025.

 

Who though? Someone in trade on an expiring contract? There's like Chappy, Candelario and internal options.

[Spanky99]

Fans are more mad.

Players are earning a salary to stink...

Fans pay out of pocket to watch this s***.

 

Shaddup eeyore!

[MikeM3]

The sport is far too technical nowadays to just draft or sign players and take your hands off the wheel. Even a prodigy like Vlad gets smoked by 40 FVs because they are in orgs with super duper magic dust data that tell them where and what to throw.

 

I'm become more and more convinced that players are becoming increasing less valuable in terms of actual talent level and more valuable based on how they can just digest and execute what orgs tell them.

 

The job of a GM now is not just to draft and acquire guys with tools. He has to establish processes and put coaches in place that tell these players precisely what to do at all times like complete robots. And I don't think we do that at all.