General Blue Jays Discussion Thread (2023)

[93 Jays]

I'm tired of this 2 runs or less a game garbage. It's getting ridiculous and has gone way beyond a dry spell. Pitching won't matter with an offense like this.

[BigCecil]

What hitter could we reasonably pick up at the deadline to try and kick start this offence. I think atkins is going to have to make a splash to save his job.

 

Any material upgrade will cost a lot with the extra wildcard. Sellers market. I think Ryu and Green will be our deadline additions - coming from inside the house.

[Stangstag]

I'm tired of this 2 runs or less a game garbage. It's getting ridiculous and has gone way beyond a dry spell. Pitching won't matter with an offense like this.

 

How about 6 runs and an L??

[Dick_Pole]

Manoah is a 6'7 over 250 pound pro athlete (of sorts) in his early 20's. The amount of caloric intake he needs just to maintain his weight must be through the roof. What the hell is this guy doing? If the Jays can get Ryu to lose weight in his late 30's, getting Manoah under control should be a cakewalk.

[Dick_Pole]

Last year the Jays were 16-3 against the Red Sox and single-handedly destroyed their season. It's going to be depressing if Boston returns the favour this year.

[Terminator]

Any material upgrade will cost a lot with the extra wildcard. Sellers market. I think Ryu and Green will be our deadline additions - coming from inside the house.

 

Yeah it's going to be costly to make any additions. Very few teams are out of it at this point.

 

They might try and bring up Manoah right after the ASB and see what he's got prior to the trade deadline as well. So add him to go with Ryu and Green as possible additions.

 

The team could also use a bat but I don't know even know what position you'd want. Most of our problem is guys underperforming or a team wide RISP issue.

[Omar]

Yeah it's going to be costly to make any additions. Very few teams are out of it at this point.

 

They might try and bring up Manoah right after the ASB and see what he's got prior to the trade deadline as well. So add him to go with Ryu and Green as possible additions.

 

The team could also use a bat but I don't know even know what position you'd want. Most of our problem is guys underperforming or a team wide RISP issue.

 

Much prefer they do not add by cleaning out an already bare org cupboard. Ryu and Green should be it. Let's face it, they have s*** the bed thus far. Hopefully the sneak into the playoffs but I think by now we have all tempered our expectations.

[Dick_Pole]

Yeah it's going to be costly to make any additions. Very few teams are out of it at this point.

 

They might try and bring up Manoah right after the ASB and see what he's got prior to the trade deadline as well. So add him to go with Ryu and Green as possible additions.

 

The team could also use a bat but I don't know even know what position you'd want. Most of our problem is guys underperforming or a team wide RISP issue.

 

Not to mention that the sellers are so terrible that it's questionable if they'll even have any players worthy of buying. The likely path forward is to stand pat or make relatively insignificant transactions at the deadline.

[Dick_Pole]

Much prefer they do not add by cleaning out an already bare org cupboard. Ryu and Green should be it. Let's face it, they have s*** the bed thus far. Hopefully the sneak into the playoffs but I think by now we have all tempered our expectations.

 

I can assure you that I have not tempered my expectations. The opposite in fact. Jays are going to win the AL East this year.

[goldbug103]

I can assure you that I have not tempered my expectations. The opposite in fact. Jays are going to win the AL East this year.

 

That’s delusional. They can’t even beat the teams in their division. Currently 7-19 which is horrendous.

[Omar]

I can assure you that I have not tempered my expectations. The opposite in fact. Jays are going to win the AL East this year.

 

Once you get in anything can happen in a short series. Gausman et al are capable of tossng a couple of gems and beat any team. But if you haven’t tempered your expectations I can only assume 1. you haven’t been watching a lot of games or 2. You’re deluded.

[glory]

Yeah it's going to be costly to make any additions. Very few teams are out of it at this point.

 

They might try and bring up Manoah right after the ASB and see what he's got prior to the trade deadline as well. So add him to go with Ryu and Green as possible additions.

 

The team could also use a bat but I don't know even know what position you'd want. Most of our problem is guys underperforming or a team wide RISP issue.

 

The last sentence is the real issue. Where do you make the improvement? You're not replacing Vlad, Bo, Springer, Varsho, Kirk/Jansen. That's your core group at least through 2024. After that you have a group of impending free agents. They currently rank 2nd (Chapman), 3rd (KK), 4th (Merrifield), and 9th (Belt) on the team in WAR, and Belt ranks 3rd in wRC+ on the team, so it's not like any of them make sense to move or improve on either. The only thing I can think of is moving Varsho back to CF full time and finding a LF (trade KK for whatever piece you can get), but that's about it. Maybe there's a DH with more power than Belt has shown so far who makes more sense on this team, but he's still one of the best hitters on the team at the moment. Getting rid of the hitting coach and making some fundamental changes in player development has to be considered at this point. The lack of power up and down the lineup and organization as a whole (other than Orelvis in the minors) is mind boggling.

 

I tend to agree with not touching the system at the deadline. It's in a bad enough spot as it is, and this is not the roster that anyone should be doubling down on. Stand pat, live with the consequences (either miss the playoffs or hope for a Philly 2022 run), and go from there.

[Jonn]

Part of me wishes they never rushed the rebuilding stage of the Blue Jays. When both Bo and Vlad hit the ground running in the big leagues it really became win now again quickly. It would have been nice if they took another couple years to build a young nucleus of players instead of signing Springer and Ryu and really pushing the win now window. But a lot of things got f***ed when they held onto players way to long and ultimately got nothing for the players from the 2016-17 playoff teams. It just feels were heading towards the direction of a complete teardown anyway. But instead of having a bunch of young players to surround a core of Bo and Vlad those are ultimately the guys that will be moved out for the next wave. Which unfortunately doesn't really exist right now. There's no real help on the way for this current roster. And the options to trade for more of it is fairly limited. They can continue to buy it but eventually they have to resign guys. And if Bo is not someone they can get under an extension by next Spring I think they have to trade him. Can't really afford to keep getting no value for your best players. And you don't want to wait until his free agent year because his value would be very different.

[jaysblue]

Yeah not as many sellers with so many teams possibly in it for the Wild Card spots.

 

AL Central: Chicago White Sox and Kansas City Royals

AL West: Oakland Atheltics

 

NL East: New York Mets, Washington Nationals

NL Central: St. Louis Cardinals, Pittsburgh Pirates, Chicago Cubs (possibly)

NL West: Colorado Rockies

 

San Diego Padres should be sellers but won't.

 

Anyone intriguing from one of those teams?

[M.E.]

Flip a lottery ticket to Seattle and bring Teo back. He and Belt can split some AB’s at DH and use him as a 4th Of while moving Whit back to 2b more permanently.

[Stangstag]

Part of me wishes they never rushed the rebuilding stage of the Blue Jays. When both Bo and Vlad hit the ground running in the big leagues it really became win now again quickly. It would have been nice if they took another couple years to build a young nucleus of players instead of signing Springer and Ryu and really pushing the win now window. But a lot of things got f***ed when they held onto players way to long and ultimately got nothing for the players from the 2016-17 playoff teams. It just feels were heading towards the direction of a complete teardown anyway. But instead of having a bunch of young players to surround a core of Bo and Vlad those are ultimately the guys that will be moved out for the next wave. Which unfortunately doesn't really exist right now. There's no real help on the way for this current roster. And the options to trade for more of it is fairly limited. They can continue to buy it but eventually they have to resign guys. And if Bo is not someone they can get under an extension by next Spring I think they have to trade him. Can't really afford to keep getting no value for your best players. And you don't want to wait until his free agent year because his value would be very different.

 

Lol what?

[Jonn]

Lol what?

 

What are you miss understanding?

 

You don't think we could get more value for Bo with 2 years of control opposed to just 1?

[Stangstag]

What are you miss understanding?

 

You don't think we could get more value for Bo with 2 years of control opposed to just 1?

 

I think you’re stupid to say we should trade Bo if we can’t extend him in the offseason

[Jonn]

I think you’re stupid to say we should trade Bo if we can’t extend him in the offseason

 

So were just gonna wait to lose him for nothing if he won't sign an extension and just f*** the franchise over for half a decade?

[Stangstag]

So were just gonna wait to lose him for nothing if he won't sign an extension and just f*** the franchise over for half a decade?

 

Do you want to win or not? You’re suggesting the team trade their best player with 2 years of control left when we still have a playoff-caliber team. Are you dense?

[L54]

Do you want to win or not? You’re suggesting the team trade their best player with 2 years of control left when we still have a playoff-caliber team. Are you dense?

 

Are you prepared to let Bo walk for nothing?

[jaysblue]

Jays should try to extend Bo this offseason. If they can't, then they need to explore trading him.

[jaysblue]

Do you want to win or not? You’re suggesting the team trade their best player with 2 years of control left when we still have a playoff-caliber team. Are you dense?

 

Try to sign Bo to an extension this offseason. If they can't, you need to move him before he becomes a FA.

 

This team is a borderline playoff-caliber team right now and could be worse. I want the Jays to sign Bo to an extension, no doubt, but from a business and baseball perspective, if you can't resign him, they should try to get some assets back.

[jaysblue]

So far the Jays are 7-7 into their easy part of the schedule. Disappointing if you ask me. This team needs to play better. Hopefully against Chicago and Detroit they could win 5 of 6.

[Jonn]

Do you want to win or not? You’re suggesting the team trade their best player with 2 years of control left when we still have a playoff-caliber team. Are you dense?

 

Of course I want to win. But I also don't want Bo to walk for nothing and leave the team in utter shambles. I also question on whether not this current core or version of the Blue Jays can win a world series. With Bo Bichette's future secured you have a legitimate pillar to build around. Tough decisions need to be made at some point.

[glory]

So were just gonna wait to lose him for nothing if he won't sign an extension and just f*** the franchise over for half a decade?

 

Look at how the Jays operated in 2017. That team was old and bad, but they still didn’t sell off their vets at peak value. They waited until the summer of 2018 when practically every asset they moved was at the dirt lowest in value with minimal control left.

 

If the Jays ever trade Bo it will be in July 2025 if the team is selling. Otherwise he’s here until the end of the 2025 season. That’s just how the current regime operates, and it’s likely an extension of how Rogers wants them to operate.

[max silver]

Do you want to win or not? You’re suggesting the team trade their best player with 2 years of control left when we still have a playoff-caliber team. Are you dense?

 

Yeah this guy wants the front office to say f*** it and throw away the competitive cycle they spent years building up to.

[L54]

Yeah this guy wants the front office to say f*** it and throw away the competitive cycle they spent years building up to.

 

I mean they have zero playoff wins during this competitive cycle so it’s hard to be critical of someone who is skeptical of the current road they’re marching down

[BigCecil]

Flip a lottery ticket to Seattle and bring Teo back. He and Belt can split some AB’s at DH and use him as a 4th Of while moving Whit back to 2b more permanently.

 

Why would Ms do that? They are one of FIVE teams outside looking in for the last wildcard spot. Same as the Jays are. Teo has a 111 wRC+ and 1.3 WAR under performing like a lot of the Jays are. They are going to hold on to him and see if he catches fire 2nd half making the same prayer us Jays fans are making for our under Performing players.

[Jimcanuck]

Yeah this guy wants the front office to say f*** it and throw away the competitive cycle they spent years building up to.

 

Kind of like how the Rays operate?