General Blue Jays Discussion Thread (2023)

[Eat My Shatkins]

Man there are a lot of dumb f***s here

[Spanky99]

Of course Brownie liked this haha.

 

It's a shame that these homers don't accept rational criticism. They're all wearing blinkers.

 

Huh? He probably liked it cause the majority of it is true, and funny. I would think?

[jaysblue]

Man there are a lot of dumb f***s here

 

Because I'm critical or question some decisions made by this front office and because I'm not a die hard homer like Brownie?

 

Yeah I guess I am a dumb f***. Keep sipping the Kool Aid!

[jaysblue]

You are firmly atop Mount Stupid sir. Enjoy the view.

 

Nah, your homerism just becomes too sickening sometimes it becomes so unbearable. You're one of the most annoying posters to argue with on this message board. At least some other posters if they disagree, they can offer value to the discussion. You can't have any rational discussions or think critically when it comes to this front office. You wear blinkers 24/7 buddy.

[Brownie19]

Huh? He probably liked it cause the majority of it is true, and funny. I would think?

 

Easy with all that logic and rational there Spanky.

[max silver]

The FO has done a great job at upgrading the MLB roster every season (Springer, Gausman, trading for Chapman, players on 1-year deals like Belt, Kiermier, Semien etc.) but their drafting and player development has been terrible. So I wouldn't consider them upper half.

 

I don't think it's necessarily fair to paint the drafting and development as having been terrible throughout this front office's tenure. After all if you examine how the current roster was built they've drafted(or acquired through international amateur signing) and/or developed the likes of Vlad, Bo, Manoah, Romano, Kirk, Moreno, Biggio, Gurriel, and used minor/major league assets they developed to acquire the likes of Berrios, Chapman, Varsho and others. There has been a definite lull over the last few years with so many of the minor league prospects eventually flaming out, but there are still a few blue chippers in the system in Orelvis and Tiedemann, and there are a lot of interesting prospects in the lower levels of the minors working their way up through the system. There are other potential impact prospects such as Barger still in the system as well.

 

The team is going to need to start developing more of their own pitching if they are to remain sustainably competitive as you can't go on handing out free agent contracts to fill out your rotation forever.

[Eat My Shatkins]

Because I'm critical or question some decisions made by this front office and because I'm not a die hard homer like Brownie?

 

Yeah I guess I am a dumb f***. Keep sipping the Kool Aid!

 

What kool-aid?

 

I posted some stats and didn't post an opinion on them one way or another, then dipshits come along and tell me I'm cherry picking. Cherry picking would mean I used the stats to spin a positive light on the Jays and sure as f*** didn't do that, you just saw what you wanted to see.

[connorp]

Good to see new rivalries brewing. Can’t all be Jim and I

[BTS]

Good to see new rivalries brewing. Can’t all be Jim and I

 

There are lots of great rivalries on the board:

 

connorp vs. Jim

connorp vs. Spanky

connorp vs. Laika

[max silver]

There are lots of great rivalries on the board:

 

connorp vs. Jim

connorp vs. Spanky

connorp vs. Laika

 

Rivalry implies more of a back and forth type of exchange, whereas the bulk of these seem to be more of the pitcher/catcher variety.

[wilko]

Rivalry implies more of a back and forth type of exchange, whereas the bulk of these seem to be more of the pitcher/catcher variety.

 

[connorp]

Rivalry implies more of a back and forth type of exchange, whereas the bulk of these seem to be more of the pitcher/catcher variety.

 

Who plays pitcher and catcher is something those guys decide every day. Not me

[max silver]

Who plays pitcher and catcher is something those guys decide every day. Not me

 

Sometimes the catcher has no say in how the relationship plays out, but I get the feeling that you are perfectly happy to be on the receiving end.

[Brownie19]

Sometimes the catcher has no say in how the relationship plays out, but I get the feeling that you are perfectly happy to be on the receiving end.

 

I'm pretty sure he wears a butt plug so he's always ready...

[connorp]

Sometimes the catcher has no say in how the relationship plays out, but I get the feeling that you are perfectly happy to be on the receiving end.

 

You can’t play off my joke. It amounts to “I know you are but what am I”

Be a little more original

[max silver]

You can’t play off my joke. It amounts to “I know you are but what am I”

Be a little more original

 

I made the pitcher/catcher joke in the first place doofus. If anyone is playing off of the other person's joke it's obviously you.

[connorp]

I made the pitcher/catcher joke in the first place doofus. If anyone is playing off of the other person's joke it's obviously you.

 

Yes, but I took it in a different direction.

[Spanky99]

The team is going to need to start developing more of their own pitching if they are to remain sustainably competitive as you can't go on handing out free agent contracts to fill out your rotation forever.

 

They have, pitchers need to develop, and they now have access to Dunedin, it's a good environment and why plenty of guys signed here for, that PDA. It'll show, I have little doubt.

[Spanky99]

There are lots of great rivalries on the board:

 

connorp vs. Jim

connorp vs. Spanky

connorp vs. Laika

 

lol... I'm dead.

[Dick_Pole]

Nobody over the age of 30 thinks Atkins has done a horrible job. Why? Because they lived through Ash and Ricciardi and know what bad is.

 

All the hyped prospects except Pearson have contributed to this team. And it's starting to turn up for him too. Kirk came out of nowhere. The PD and drafting part of this team is fine. As for the farm sucking, yeah of course its going to suck when you graduate or trade your top 10 prospects over last three years. Plenty of time to replenish it.

 

As for trades, Jays generally have done well. What kind of stupid motherf***er thinks that teams only win trades? FA signings same thing. And it's more about the moves they avoided then the moves they did. Nothing has been egregious. In an alternate universe, this could have been just the second year the Jays aren't paying Jose Bautista $30 million.

[Spanky99]

Rivalry implies more of a back and forth type of exchange, whereas the bulk of these seem to be more of the pitcher/catcher variety.

 

Well played, Mauer.

[Spanky99]

Yes, but I took it in a different direction.

 

You were took behind the wood shed catcher, lmao

[Spanky99]

Nobody over the age of 30 thinks Atkins has done a horrible job. Why? Because they lived through Ash and Ricciardi and know what bad is.

 

All the hyped prospects except Pearson have contributed to this team. And it's starting to turn up for him too. Kirk came out of nowhere. The PD and drafting part of this team is fine. As for the farm sucking, yeah of course its going to suck when you graduate or trade your top 10 prospects over last three years. Plenty of time to replenish it.

 

As for trades, Jays generally have done well. What kind of stupid motherf***er thinks that teams only win trades? FA signings same thing. And it's more about the moves they avoided then the moves they did. Nothing has been egregious. In an alternate universe, this could have been just the second year the Jays aren't paying Jose Bautista $30 million.

 

This.

[Brownie19]

Nobody over the age of 30 thinks Atkins has done a horrible job. Why? Because they lived through Ash and Ricciardi and know what bad is.

 

All the hyped prospects except Pearson have contributed to this team. And it's starting to turn up for him too. Kirk came out of nowhere. The PD and drafting part of this team is fine. As for the farm sucking, yeah of course its going to suck when you graduate or trade your top 10 prospects over last three years. Plenty of time to replenish it.

 

As for trades, Jays generally have done well. What kind of stupid motherf***er thinks that teams only win trades? FA signings same thing. And it's more about the moves they avoided then the moves they did. Nothing has been egregious. In an alternate universe, this could have been just the second year the Jays aren't paying Jose Bautista $30 million.

 

This is very well said. Thank you Dick.

[Dick_Pole]

After 68 games:

 

2023: 37-31

2015: 36-32

2022: 38-30

2021: 33-35

2016: 37-31

 

So that's a summary of all the good years this team has had over the last 10. This team is a notoriously underperformer in May/June then turns it up in the last 50-60 games. It's a franchise thing. I don't know if it's something in the water or the weather or whatever. Even going back to the 80's there were those bad starts in 1988 and 1989 and the team turned it up in September to contend. 1998 - which is a year looked on fondly by a lot of people - it's different for me because I lived through that season real time and I knew that team was hot garbage until after the trade deadline.

 

I don't know of any site that summarizes franchise performance by month but I would bet the Jays best month by far is September and the worst one has got to be May or June. Just wait until the end of the season.

[connorp]

Typically it all sports once you build a playoff team and it sputters to become anything other than a WC type team, the ax comes down. Manager last time, so it’d be GM this time. In most cases you can appreciate the good they’ve done, but time for someone else to take over

[Carlos Danger]

Nobody over the age of 30 thinks Atkins has done a horrible job. Why? Because they lived through Ash and Ricciardi and know what bad is.

 

All the hyped prospects except Pearson have contributed to this team. And it's starting to turn up for him too. Kirk came out of nowhere. The PD and drafting part of this team is fine. As for the farm sucking, yeah of course its going to suck when you graduate or trade your top 10 prospects over last three years. Plenty of time to replenish it.

 

As for trades, Jays generally have done well. What kind of stupid motherf***er thinks that teams only win trades? FA signings same thing. And it's more about the moves they avoided then the moves they did. Nothing has been egregious. In an alternate universe, this could have been just the second year the Jays aren't paying Jose Bautista $30 million.

 

Two months after Bo Bichette was drafted, scouting director Brian Parker, who fought for the selection, was fired. AA regime.

 

Atkins had never seen Bo play when he was drafted.

 

Andrew Tinish who oversaw the Kirk signing left for the Braves in 2017. AA regime.

 

Cherington and Sanders oversaw Manoah. Both left to the Pirates.

 

Atkins can get credit since he ultimatley gives the green light. However, those are probably the three best players we have drafted since Atkins and all responsible are gone.

 

I like Atkins MLB club moves, for the most part... However, I have consistently criticised his lack of viable depth, especially on the pitching side.

 

The bottom line is, his objective is to win us a WS. Since the 2016 team, we have had zero playoffs wins under this regime.

 

I think he made the right moves for the most part this last year at the deadline and in offseason to get us over the hump. Merrifield is a playoff guy to me.. We just need to get there.. Swanson, Varsho KK and Belt were the right idea. I loved the Bassitt signing.

 

They will need to get more depth at the deadline or sooner and I don't know if we have the ammo to do much..

 

And to Todd' Bloody Vagina... Way too early to assess the Varsho trade..

[Stangstag]

After 68 games:

 

2023: 37-31

2015: 36-32

2022: 38-30

2021: 33-35

2016: 37-31

 

So that's a summary of all the good years this team has had over the last 10. This team is a notoriously underperformer in May/June then turns it up in the last 50-60 games. It's a franchise thing. I don't know if it's something in the water or the weather or whatever. Even going back to the 80's there were those bad starts in 1988 and 1989 and the team turned it up in September to contend. 1998 - which is a year looked on fondly by a lot of people - it's different for me because I lived through that season real time and I knew that team was hot garbage until after the trade deadline.

 

I don't know of any site that summarizes franchise performance by month but I would bet the Jays best month by far is September and the worst one has got to be May or June. Just wait until the end of the season.

 

Wait??? Hahaha nah we totally got wrecked on the Varsho trade

[Dick_Pole]

Two months after Bo Bichette was drafted, scouting director Brian Parker, who fought for the selection, was fired. AA regime.

 

Atkins had never seen Bo play when he was drafted.

 

Andrew Tinish who oversaw the Kirk signing left for the Braves in 2017. AA regime.

 

Cherington and Sanders oversaw Manoah. Both left to the Pirates.

 

Atkins can get credit since he ultimatley gives the green light. However, those are probably the three best players we have drafted since Atkins and all responsible are gone.

 

I like Atkins MLB club moves, for the most part... However, I have consistently criticised his lack of viable depth, especially on the pitching side.

 

The bottom line is, his objective is to win us a WS. Since the 2016 team, we have had zero playoffs wins under this regime.

 

I think he made the right moves for the most part this last year at the deadline and in offseason to get us over the hump. Merrifield is a playoff guy to me.. We just need to get there.. Swanson, Varsho KK and Belt were the right idea. I loved the Bassitt signing.

 

They will need to get more depth at the deadline or sooner and I don't know if we have the ammo to do much..

 

And to Todd' Bloody Vagina... Way too early to assess the Varsho trade..

 

Yes, other people drafted/signed those prospects. It was the Atkins regime that developed them over multiple seasons. Both need to get credit. Unless you think Manoah, Kirk and Bichette were major league ready the instant they signed with the team.

[Terminator]

Adam Frazier, known throughout his career as a slap hitter, currently has an ISO that is 13 points higher than Vlad Jr.