Fire John Schneider

[Omar]

to hitting

 

he said he had faith in his solution but it didn't work and will work on finding as new solution

 

^maybe it was that?

 

Yes, I think that is it.

[TheHurl]

Joe Reedy gave Schneider a MOTY 3rd place vote

[Brownie19]

It’s not, he also made other comments about organizational strategy that had been communicated to the players.

 

Scenario 1 - Atkins comes out and says “yes I did it. I made the call, I made him do it” does that change anything even if not true? Not really. Then people would just be bitching about him and just hiring puppets and stuff.

 

Scenario 2 - Atkins says exactly what he said, it was Schneiders call all the way, he doesn’t interfere beyond laying out a framework philosophy. In game decisions are Schneiders. Then people bitch that Atkins must be lying to try to save face.

 

People just like bitching. Chances are Atkins told 100% truth. The only thing I would say to Atkins about his comments is that while he needs to make clear that Schneider makes the in game decisions, the club has a philosophy that Atkins put forth and that philosophy could definitely be a factor in Schneiders decision making process in that game, even though all decisions are still up to Schneider.

 

 

After that, Schneider will have meeting with Atkins, Atkins will ask him why he made the call and his reasoning, and if the reasoning makes sense within the framework Atkins laid out, and Schneiders owns the decision (which he should) the only decision is whether you fire Schneider. Clearly that’s not the decision here as he’s already confirmed to be returning.

 

Now, Atkins will have to have the same type of meeting with Shapiro and defend his org philosophy which resulted in what we saw play out, and what he will do to address the problems. And there’s really only two ways to go with that, either Atkins doubles down and says he fully believes in what he’s doing and here’s why he thinks the results will be different, or he adjusts and says yeah, it’s not working, that’s on me, here’s my new plan. Shapiro then ultimately decides whether or not to keep him and let him work on the new plan, or fire him and bring in someone else.

 

None of this is really a newsflash to anyone remotely familiar with how large corporations are run so it’s weird that everyone sees this as Atkins “blaming” Schneider or throwing him under the bus.

 

I think I missed this one - I think this is spot on John.

[Frenchsoup]

I'd love Dusty Baker in Tdot, keep schneider on the roster

[Omar]

Just priming the pump for a new season.

[Jays24]

LOL season hasn't even started and this thread gets a bump. Atkins needs to be the first guy fired if anything goes wrong unless Schneider goes out of his way to be a douche.

[Brownie19]

LOL season hasn't even started and this thread gets a bump. Atkins needs to be the first guy fired if anything goes wrong unless Schneider goes out of his way to be a douche.

 

Yeah we're making the playoffs far too often. He's make the rest of the guys look bad.

[JaysAllMighty]

John Schneider sucks balls. Always sitting hot hitters.

[jaysthebest]

I don't think it is too late to fire this guy before things get worse.

 

The team can't contend with this moron managing the team.

[hanton]

I don't think it is too late to fire this guy before things get worse.

 

The team can't contend with this moron managing the team.

 

Atkins is on his 3rd manager

[Olerud363]

Atkins is on his 3rd manager

 

Game was lost when they sent Pearson down so not really Schneiders fault... can't really say I'd rather of had Francis facing Judge.

[jaysthebest]

Atkins is on his 3rd manager

 

Maybe Atkins shouldn't be hiring inexperienced managers. We need some vet managers.

[hanton]

Game was lost when they sent Pearson down so not really Schneiders fault... can't really say I'd rather of had Francis facing Judge.

 

I don't get that demotion, dumb.

[Masterbather]

The manager on this team is merely a marionette. Replacing one puppet with another solves nothing.

[Omar]

If Schneider is gone by Victoria Day (look up the date), and there seems to be smoke indicating it is a distinct possibility who would take over as skipper?

 

Don Mattingly?

 

Demarlo Hale?

 

Gibby:p (three times a charm)!

[hanton]

If Schneider is gone by Victoria Day (look up the date), and there seems to be smoke indicating it is a distinct possibility who would take over as skipper?

 

Don Mattingly?

 

Demarlo Hale?

 

Gibby:p (three times a charm)!

 

probably offer it to Mattingly and settle on Hale. haha no way Gibby is coming back here

[jaysthebest]

At this point, I don't think firing him would make any difference. Atkins will hire another Schneider/Montoyo and after a few years of disappointment, he will fire the new manager again. The only way this team can be improved is to fire Atkins and the entire coach staff.

[L54]

New GM should hire Gibby

[hanton]

how can Atkins possibly justify firing JS? it really feels like they just hired him

[L54]

how can Atkins possibly justify firing JS? it really feels like they just hired him

 

Desperate people do desperate things

[HomeRunHomer]

Atkins isn't going to fire himself and going for a rebuild now is basically admitting he did a bad job.

[glory]

If Schneider is gone by Victoria Day (look up the date), and there seems to be smoke indicating it is a distinct possibility who would take over as skipper?

 

Don Mattingly?

 

Demarlo Hale?

 

Gibby:p (three times a charm)!

 

It will be Mattingly. It should be Hale if anyone already on the bench as he's worked under Francona and Gibby, so maybe there's a decent manager in there, but Atkins seems like the type who needs knee pads and chapstick every time he's in the same room with Donnie Baseball. It's only a matter of time.

[Doubleplay21]

Schneider can manage from his hotel room.He looks at analytics rather than watch on the field

[hanton]

Schneider can manage from his hotel room.He looks at analytics rather than watch on the field

 

he is instructed to do this and btw the Jays aren't the the only team that prep using analytics

[Brownie19]

Schneider can manage from his hotel room.He looks at analytics rather than watch on the field

 

He literally just put on a bunt yesterday, which the analytics don't support. He tried "something different" to see if he could spark the offense and go against what the probabilities suggest.

 

and MikeM shits all over him for doing it.

 

A LOT of people want the manager to use his (magical) feel and don't just follow the probabilities. Yet he goes slightly off script early in a game on May 3rd and is also s*** on. Let that stupidity sink in for a second...

[mikepelfrey]

I respect Donnie Baseball like no other. trust me on that, but he's not the right guy for this team. they need a proven Manager to get the best out of his players, a guy Like Buck Showalter, he has done it with many teams and he demands accountability.Get rid of the country club atmosphere and make it clear to Vlad and Bo that everyone has to produce if the want to be here

[G-Snarls]

New GM should hire Gibby

 

Gibby has repeatedly said in interviews that be doesn't like how managers now "take their marching orders from the front office". "that ain't for me" he has said when asked if he'd ever want to manage a team again.

[burlingtonbandit]

I respect Donnie Baseball like no other. trust me on that, but he's not the right guy for this team. they need a proven Manager to get the best out of his players, a guy Like Buck Showalter, he has done it with many teams and he demands accountability.Get rid of the country club atmosphere and make it clear to Vlad and Bo that everyone has to produce if the want to be here

 

I never understood the Mattingly hire to begin with. The guy came from a losing culture in Miami, and ever since he was brought in here the lineup has done nothing but regress/under perform.

[hanton]

I never understood the Mattingly hire to begin with. The guy came from a losing culture in Miami, and ever since he was brought in here the lineup has done nothing but regress/under perform.

 

bingo

[wilko]

I respect Donnie Baseball like no other. trust me on that, but he's not the right guy for this team. they need a proven Manager to get the best out of his players, a guy Like Buck Martinez, he has done it with many teams and he demands accountability.Get rid of the country club atmosphere and make it clear to Vlad and Bo that everyone has to produce if the want to be here

 

Agreed!