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Charlie seems like a good guy. He served his purpose and I’m not going to celebrate someone losing their job, but this is the right call. Something had to give and the Jays need someone else to lead this team.
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A lot of recent failure wasn't his fault but Bring on Schneider.

 

How long until people are calling for Schneiders head when they realize that most of the in-game decision making is the result of collaboration from the front office, high performance department, and analytics team?

 

I give it about a couple weeks.

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Managers are always the scapegoat for bad front office performance.

 

I don’t see how you fire the manager and not the pitching coach. That’s been the problem.

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How long until people are calling for Schneiders head when they realize that most of the in-game decision making is the result of collaboration from the front office, high performance department, and analytics team?

 

I give it about a couple weeks.

 

Any coach has an expiry date, so it is irrelevant how long before people are calling for his head, and more about what he wins until people start calling for his head.

As it is the fans, or the grim reaper that will scream off with their heads.......

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Im actually surprised. Felt like more of this disappointing season has been on Atkins more than Montoyo.

 

He’s not going to fire himself.

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That would be a terrible decision - at least the Shapiro portion.

 

Yup. I couldn’t care less about Atkins, but Shapiro is everything you want in a President

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Managers are always the scapegoat for bad front office performance.

 

I don’t see how you fire the manager and not the pitching coach. That’s been the problem.

 

How do you assign blame for poor pitching? Is it the GM's fault for signing/trading/drafting s***** pitchers and not providing the necessary depth? Do you blame the players for poor performance that is below their projections and historic results? Do you blame the pitching coach for not - um...coaching good enough? I don't know how some of you assign blame onto one person so easily.

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Yup. I couldn’t care less about Atkins, but Shapiro I’d everything you want in a President

 

Yep 100%.

 

It's fine if they get rid of Atkins because of the major league level decisions, but Shapiro has to stay.

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How do you assign blame for poor pitching? Is it the GM's fault for signing/trading/drafting s***** pitchers and not providing the necessary depth? Do you blame the players for poor performance that is below their projections and historic results? Do you blame the pitching coach for not - um...coaching good enough? I don't know how some of you assign blame onto one person so easily.

 

I’m not saying it’s the pitching coaches problem. I’m saying pitching is the problem and the manager is way down the list of people who could be responsible for that.

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The vladdy incident last night was the final straw???

 

They probably made up their mind to do this a few days ago

 

you would think?

 

maybe

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