General Blue Jays Discussion Thread (2022)

[Carlos Danger]

No, just run of the mill sarcasm.

 

I accept your compliment, thank you.

[max silver]

Where is that pre-season thread where group A) Said we have the best deepest rotation in baseball and called anyone who didn’t agree a troll. Group Said we need more depth and only have 3 reliable starters. Group C) Said we have two reliable starters (might have been more like a poster or two vice a group)

 

Not going to be the first on here to say I told you so ref Ryu…

 

Gee if only teams were able to make trades in season to pick up rotation depth. We better start panicking now because there isn't great depth stashed away at AAA already. This isn't the end of the world, Atkins has shown ability to pick up rotation help mid season when needed.

[John_Havok]

It's adjusted positionally in team fWAR. Not the health factor, obviously.

 

Well yeah, that was the question though, which cannot really be answered. It's not a for sure thing that Biggio playing LF has a measureable effect. Springer could get hurt tomorrow no matter how many games Biggio or ZImmer play .. so the hypothetical "value" of that positional flexibility in keeping Springer healthy is just that... hypothetical.

 

I think the type of flexibility that guys like Biggio help with more is the ability to pinch hit more often for the platoon advantage and get plugged in wherever after the plate appearance. Over the course of a season those platoon advantages add up.

[Jimcanuck]

Espinal on the bench too after 2 hits and 3 RBI last night, absolutely ridiculous

 

What a player did yesterday is not a predictor of what they do today

[Carlos Danger]

Gee if only teams were able to make trades in season to pick up rotation depth. We better start panicking now because there isn't great depth stashed away at AAA already. This isn't the end of the world, Atkins has shown ability to pick up rotation help mid season when needed.

 

Where did I say we should panic? Having said that, every other team with even a sniff at the expanded wild card will also be going after pitching. It is always better to have internal depth which I don’t believe we do.

 

My comment is a response to assertions made with almost certainty here pre-season about the whole rotation and Ryu.

 

This is a baseball board, now we have a outcome and result of said assertion and hell yea am I going to talk about it.

[Blazeit420]

Add a replacement for Richards to the checklist.

[Eat My Shatkins]

Couldn't use Cimber tonight since he pitched last night with a 10-1 lead lol

 

So use Richards instead.

 

Of all our relievers still on the roster, Richards has been the worst.

 

Guess which reliever has pitched the most innings?

 

Yep. Richards

 

Charlie is a genius

[Dagagad]

Where did I say we should panic? Having said that, every other team with even a sniff at the expanded wild card will also be going after pitching. It is always better to have internal depth which I don’t believe we do.

 

My comment is a response to assertions made with almost certainty here pre-season about the whole rotation and Ryu.

 

This is a baseball board, now we have a outcome and result of said assertion and hell yea am I going to talk about it.

 

Depth starters are some of the cheapest players to acquire at the deadline. I wouldn’t worry much about that.

[Dagagad]

Couldn't use Cimber tonight since he pitched last night with a 10-1 lead lol

 

So use Richards instead.

 

Of all our relievers still on the roster, Richards has been the worst.

 

Guess which reliever has pitched the most innings?

 

Yep. Richards

 

Charlie is a genius

 

Is that the reason they didn’t use Cimber? I think they didn’t use him because they didnt have the lead.

[Stangstag]

Couldn't use Cimber tonight since he pitched last night with a 10-1 lead lol

 

So use Richards instead.

 

Of all our relievers still on the roster, Richards has been the worst.

 

Guess which reliever has pitched the most innings?

 

Yep. Richards

 

Charlie is a genius

 

Yeah and he just keeps going to him too. For multiple innings.

 

Charlie is either:

A. Trying to prove to the front office that Richards sucks to get him off the roster

 

B. Trying to use Richards more often to “get his confidence back” (but at what cost??)

 

or

 

C. Charlie is too f***ing dumb to realize how bad Richards has been and keeps acting as if he’s a good reliever.

 

My money is on C sadly

[Dagagad]

Yeah and he just keeps going to him too. For multiple innings.

 

Charlie is either:

A. Trying to prove to the front office that Richards sucks to get him off the roster

 

B. Trying to use Richards more often to “get his confidence back” (but at what cost??)

 

or

 

C. Charlie is too f***ing dumb to realize how bad Richards has been and keeps acting as if he’s a good reliever.

 

My money is on C sadly

 

D they are losing and richards has been demoted to ‘guy you use when losing’.

[jerb]

 

Chris Black

@DownToBlack

 

Blue Jays This Season:

 

Games started by Yusei Kikuchi: 3-9

 

All other games: 33-16

[RustyTrombone]

D they are losing and richards has been demoted to ‘guy you use when losing’.

 

Too bad Charlie doesnt know the difference between losing by 1 run and losing by 5.

[Eat My Shatkins]

Is that the reason they didn’t use Cimber? I think they didn’t use him because they didnt have the lead.

 

You don't have to have a f***ing lead to use good pitchers. You should use them when the game is close whether you're winning or losing.

 

10-1 lead, good time to use Richards who has sucked ass this year

[Eat My Shatkins]

D they are losing and richards has been demoted to ‘guy you use when losing’.

 

They were losing by one f***ing run you moron

[Spanky99]

Where did I say we should panic? Having said that, every other team with even a sniff at the expanded wild card will also be going after pitching. It is always better to have internal depth which I don’t believe we do.

 

My comment is a response to assertions made with almost certainty here pre-season about the whole rotation and Ryu.

 

This is a baseball board, now we have a outcome and result of said assertion and hell yea am I going to talk about it.

 

So where's the thread? lol

[Spanky99]

 

Chris Black

@DownToBlack

 

Blue Jays This Season:

 

Games started by Yusei Kikuchi: 3-9

 

All other games: 33-16

 

That dude should stick to his day job.

[Spanky99]

Wow... you guys are stressed... smoke one, man!

[Dagagad]

They were losing by one f***ing run you moron

 

Who said they were losing by more? I’m telling you the probable reason. Do with the information what you will.

Edited June 15, 2022 by Dagagad

[Big BlueJay]

At this point, this is how its going to be run with Springer on CF/DH rotation, and everyone getting regular rest days including our hot hitters.

Its working, our lineup has been healthy (except pitchers).

 

Lets just ride the health to success rather than pushing all our people against a thin Orioles lineup (no Santander/Mancini)

 

We have a three-day series coming up against Yankees, we want our A1 team against them in all three. There should be zero problem in giving everyone rest days now so they are prepped for that.

 

Like I said, your best hitters should be in the lineup EVERY game, this team has lost a game of the series to every garbage team they've played the past 2 weeks and tonight was no exception.

[Spanky99]

Like I said, your best hitters should be in the lineup EVERY game, this team has lost a game of the series to every garbage team they've played the past 2 weeks and tonight was no exception.

 

No one likes what you say, meat.

[wilko]

 

Chris Black

@DownToBlack

 

Blue Jays This Season:

 

Games started by Yusei Kikuchi: 3-9

 

All other games: 33-16

 

Kikuchi's not a bad #5. He has the potential. He's swinging on the hinge of Ray last year. I think at this point it's mental for him. He got the tools but he's not trusting his stuff.

[InsideThePark]

You don't use your 2nd or 3rd best pen arm when you're losing in the 5th inning. Assuming he pitches a scoreless inning now what? You're going to have to use the lesser arms anyway. Use them first while losing, if you get to the late game and it makes sense to use a Cimber, Mayza, or Romano do it then rather than burn your best arms for it not to matter anyway.

 

That's not to say they should have used Richards. But when you've got 5 innings left to go and you're behind the best reliever you should be using is your 5th best one. I guess that's Phelps? If everything goes perfectly and you take the lead then you go Garcia, Mayza, Cimber and Romano for the last 4.

[Eat My Shatkins]

Who said they were losing by more? I’m telling you the probable reason. Do with the information what you will.

 

Yeah and I'm telling you that is not a very good reason because losing by 1 run is not the same as losing by 5 or 6 or 10 runs.

 

If a good pitcher comes in and stops the bleeding maybe the Jays come back last night, instead they end up in an even bigger hole thanks to our f***ing dumb manager burning one of our best relievers in a 10-1 game and using one of our worst in a 1 run game in high leverage.

Edited June 15, 2022 by Eat My Shatkins

[Stangstag]

Yeah and I'm telling you that is not a very good reason because losing by 1 run is not the same as losing by 5 or 6 or 10 runs.

 

If a good pitcher comes in and stops the bleeding maybe the Jays come back last night, instead they end up in an even bigger hole thanks to our f***ing dumb manager burning one of our best relievers in a 10-1 game and using one of our worst in a 1 run game in high leverage.

 

This has been a problem for Charlie’s entire tenure as manager. He goes all in/uses bullets when we’re leading by 5… but if we’re losing by 1 he’ll use the worst gutter trash we have in the bullpen.

 

Almost every time the Jays offense comes back and scores a few runs too, but by that point the game is usually out of reach

[Dagagad]

Yeah and I'm telling you that is not a very good reason because losing by 1 run is not the same as losing by 5 or 6 or 10 runs.

 

If a good pitcher comes in and stops the bleeding maybe the Jays come back last night, instead they end up in an even bigger hole thanks to our f***ing dumb manager burning one of our best relievers in a 10-1 game and using one of our worst in a 1 run game in high leverage.

 

You keep saying he burned cimber. He almost certainly didn’t. He’s used him on consecutive nights plenty of times.

 

He chose to bring in richards probably because Richards is the guy they want to use when down in middle innings or as first in when a starter goes down early. They used cimber last night because they wanted to get him work. Last night, they couldn’t predict that tonight would be close.

 

If the only situation you want richards to be used in is down a lot or up a lot ONLY then he shouldn’t be on the roster. Blame the front office if that pisses you off.

[Dagagad]

This has been a problem for Charlie’s entire tenure as manager. He goes all in/uses bullets when we’re leading by 5… but if we’re losing by 1 he’ll use the worst gutter trash we have in the bullpen.

 

Almost every time the Jays offense comes back and scores a few runs too, but by that point the game is usually out of reach

 

I think he might over do it but frankly our pen isn’t super deep either. You have to use richards and Thornton sometimes and it’s hard to exactly line up blowouts whether winning or losing.

[Stangstag]

I think he might over do it but frankly our pen isn’t super deep either. You have to use richards and Thornton sometimes and it’s hard to exactly line up blowouts whether winning or losing.

 

That is fair. I just think he’s using Richards way too much right now in close games. He has been terrible

[Eat My Shatkins]

You keep saying he burned cimber. He almost certainly didn’t. He’s used him on consecutive nights plenty of times.

 

He chose to bring in richards probably because Richards is the guy they want to use when down in middle innings or as first in when a starter goes down early. They used cimber last night because they wanted to get him work. Last night, they couldn’t predict that tonight would be close.

 

If the only situation you want richards to be used in is down a lot or up a lot ONLY then he shouldn’t be on the roster. Blame the front office if that pisses you off.

 

I'll blame whoever the f*** I want.

 

Should have used Richards in the 10-1 game and a fresh Cimber in the close game.

 

Any idiot should be able to figure that s*** out. It's not hard.

 

Unfortunately our manager isn't just any idiot. He's an exceptional one.

[Deadpool]

That is fair. I just think he’s using Richards way too much right now in close games. He has been terrible

 

He's been "should probably be DFA'd" bad this season. I'm actually surprised it didn't happen after last night's game.