General Blue Jays Discussion Thread (2022)

[Dagagad]

I don’t think we will trade for high leverage guys. If by high leverage, we mean swing and miss guys with some track record.

 

We didn’t last year and we had a much bigger need. I don’t see us putting good prospects into it.

[Carlos Danger]

Can we replace Montoyo with Maddon?

[Grant77]

Can we replace Montoyo with Maddon?

 

No thanks

[connorp]

Can we replace Montoyo with Maddon?

 

Maddon will be a good talking head for someone in broadcasting.

[Carlos Danger]

Screw Rosenthal, trade for David Bednar. Poor guy is wasting away in Pittsburgh, and their FO is dumb as hell. Could probably get him for a Big Mac combo meal.

 

Not the same group there that made the Chris Archer trade anymore... Very smart group there now..

[Carlos Danger]

No thanks

 

Sets his guys up for success, brought two Teams to the WS and won one.. Not his fault the Angles can't get it going IMO.

 

I think a big improvement on Bongos.

[max silver]

Sets his guys up for success, brought two Teams to the WS and won one.. Not his fault the Angles can't get it going IMO.

 

I think a big improvement on Bongos.

 

I've read plenty of complaints about mind-numbingly bad in game decision making from Maddon this season. It seems as though he may have reached his best before date as a manager. I didn't expect to ever be saying this but Charlie has actually improved dramatically compared to his previous seasons. The incessant bunting has almost completely disappeared, he has displayed a far quicker hook with struggling relievers which can be directly tied into the number of 1 run victories this season, and lately even his lineups are starting to look better as the bench players are starting less frequently.

[G-Snarls]

Can we replace Montoyo with Maddon?

 

Was Montoyo bench coach for Maddon in Tampa? Or were they there at different times? Not advocating for anything just curious.

[Jimcanuck]

Maddon has some loose screws. No thanks.

[Carlos Danger]

Maddon has some loose screws. No thanks.

 

All the geniuses are poco loco…

[InsideThePark]

Jansen injured, No Moreno

 

[Slade]

 

[connorp]

Jansen injured, No Moreno

 

 

There you go Terminator. I feel he was being snarky with me lol

[InsideThePark]

I guess there's some reluctance to call up Moreno and then send him back down when Jansen is healthy? I think he's our best option now, and though he could definitely use more time in AAA, perhaps even the entire year you need to bring up the guy who will help the team the most. If it was Kirk who got hurt I think you could call up Collins and just have him catch once every 5 games and that's it. I get the feeling they want to cap Kirk's catching days to 3 per 5 games. You want someone who's a little better defensively if they're starting twice everytime through the rotation.

 

I would have called up Gabby and gave him the Jansen games(3/5 catching) and unless he completely dominated just sent him back down once Jansen was healthy but that's obviously not the plan.

[G-Snarls]

Poor Jansen

 

f***

[wilko]

Poor Jansen

 

f***

 

The guy can't stay healthy.

[Omar]

Atkins: "Okay, let's keep Kirk, bring up Moreno and trade Jansen."

 

Jansen: "Checkmate"

[John_Havok]

The guy can't stay healthy.

 

Getting HBP on the pinky is just a bad break.

 

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Yep.

[L54]

Am I the only one who thinks calling up Moreno would be a mistake? He’s barely slugging over .400 and he’d be tasked with taking on the toughest position on the field.

 

If he falls flat on his face you risk both diminishing his value and confidence while employing the league’s best catching tandem.

 

I wouldn’t be shocked if Moreno doesn’t play in the bigs in 2022.

[connorp]

Am I the only one who thinks calling up Moreno would be a mistake? He’s barely slugging over .400 and he’d be tasked with taking on the toughest position on the field.

 

If he falls flat on his face you risk both diminishing his value and confidence while employing the league’s best catching tandem.

 

I wouldn’t be shocked if Moreno doesn’t play in the bigs in 2022.

 

Yeah not like they need lighting in a bottle for playoff race. Clearly think he needs seasoning and if he comes up and doesn’t do well, not sure that’s help anything

[John_Havok]

Am I the only one who thinks calling up Moreno would be a mistake? He’s barely slugging over .400 and he’d be tasked with taking on the toughest position on the field.

 

If he falls flat on his face you risk both diminishing his value and confidence while employing the league’s best catching tandem.

 

I wouldn’t be shocked if Moreno doesn’t play in the bigs in 2022.

 

I agree 100%. With catcher's you wait until there's nothing left to learn at AAA, injuries take everyone else out and he's your last option, or it's September and he's just up as a 3rd catcher to get a few PAs and maybe catch a few innings at the end of a blowout.

[Daniel Labude]

[Eat My Shatkins]

Moreno is doing fine, but he's not exactly tearing AAA apart. I'm in no hurry to see him brought up myself.

[Jimcanuck]

Ya I'd like to see Moreno's power stroke come back in AAA, cuz it's not coming back facing MLB pitching.

[Spanky99]

I quickly looked this up and Pearson is indeed preparing for more of a bulk/hybrid role. It remains to be seen how he's actually deployed though. Maybe it could be somewhat similar to how Stripling was used in a jack of all trades/swiss army knife kind of role. He could see the occasional spot start, close on occasion, act as a fireman mid game to put out opposition rallies etc.

 

 

 

https://www.cbssports.com/fantasy/baseball/news/blue-jays-nate-pearson-building-up-for-bulk-role/

 

I saw Ross say they wanted him get to a starters pitch count first before they bring him up to the MLB on Tim and Friends with BNS, so yeah, this all makes sense. He should be an immediate upgrade to the pen.

[BigCecil]

Am I the only one who thinks calling up Moreno would be a mistake? He’s barely slugging over .400 and he’d be tasked with taking on the toughest position on the field.

 

If he falls flat on his face you risk both diminishing his value and confidence while employing the league’s best catching tandem.

 

I wouldn’t be shocked if Moreno doesn’t play in the bigs in 2022.

 

No rush. It sucks Jano cant stay healthy. No luck. At least Kirk is playing well on 0 and D. If he gets hurt we are "right f***ed" as pikey Brad Pitt from Snatch would call it.

[Spanky99]

No rush. It sucks Jano cant stay healthy. No luck. At least Kirk is playing well on 0 and D. If he gets hurt we are "right f***ed" as pikey Brad Pitt from Snatch would call it.

 

Hahaha... great flick.

[InsideThePark]

Am I the only one who thinks calling up Moreno would be a mistake? He’s barely slugging over .400 and he’d be tasked with taking on the toughest position on the field.

 

If he falls flat on his face you risk both diminishing his value and confidence while employing the league’s best catching tandem.

 

I wouldn’t be shocked if Moreno doesn’t play in the bigs in 2022.

 

If everyone stayed healthy I expected he would have stayed in AAA the whole year given the 2 guys we had, the position he plays, and his results so far. When Jansen got hurt in April it was clearly too early developmentally. I think he's been there long enough with good enough results that you should be ok bringing him up for 2 weeks as an injury fill in as long as he continues to play(I would just plug him straight into Jansen's role) assuming you believe he's the best option for a contending team. I think he's a better option than Collins. I'm not suggesting he come up for good. Barring him blowing the cover off the ball for 2 weeks I'd just send him back down when Jansen was healthy.

 

The Jays might have a different approach with the plan that when he comes up here's here for good, they don't want to demote him again, and they don't think he's learned everything he has to learn in AAA yet. The last part I absolutely agree with. I just think a contending team should be using their best option as an injury fill in as long as it doesn't disrupt development. I don't think playing for 2 weeks in the majors on a Jansen type catching rotation(3 of 5 games) and then going back down disrupts development.

[204Jays]

Moreno sighting coming up?

[Deadpool]

If everyone stayed healthy I expected he would have stayed in AAA the whole year given the 2 guys we had, the position he plays, and his results so far. When Jansen got hurt in April it was clearly too early developmentally. I think he's been there long enough with good enough results that you should be ok bringing him up for 2 weeks as an injury fill in as long as he continues to play(I would just plug him straight into Jansen's role) assuming you believe he's the best option for a contending team. I think he's a better option than Collins. I'm not suggesting he come up for good. Barring him blowing the cover off the ball for 2 weeks I'd just send him back down when Jansen was healthy.

 

The Jays might have a different approach with the plan that when he comes up here's here for good, they don't want to demote him again, and they don't think he's learned everything he has to learn in AAA yet. The last part I absolutely agree with. I just think a contending team should be using their best option as an injury fill in as long as it doesn't disrupt development. I don't think playing for 2 weeks in the majors on a Jansen type catching rotation(3 of 5 games) and then going back down disrupts development.

 

Most teams, even contending ones, get by with a backup catcher of Collins' calibre or lower, we'll be fine with Kirk/Collins for a few weeks, no need to interrupt Moreno's development. If he was rocking a 130 or higher wRC+ I'd probably have a different opinion, but I think giving him reps at AAA is the better move for the future without selling out the present all that much.