jimedmonds Verified Member Posted November 16, 2021 Posted November 16, 2021 tell me how I'm supposed to feel about this deal? feels like a great deal for a #3 with #2 upside in his 27/28-35 years?
Spanky99 Old-Timey Member Posted November 16, 2021 Posted November 16, 2021 Thanks, I just mentioned this news needed it's own thread. 7/140 is a pretty good deal for both sides, I love it.
z3r0s Old-Timey Member Posted November 16, 2021 Posted November 16, 2021 That doesn't seem like enough money and that takes him to ~35. That's a pretty solid sounding deal on its face
glory Old-Timey Member Posted November 16, 2021 Posted November 16, 2021 The extension using MLBTR's arb projection is essentially ~6/130 (he had a $10.9m arb projection). That's around what I thought it would take to get him extended, give or take. Edit: Davidi saying it's 7/131, so 6/120 as the extension using the above example. Seems fair for a SP like him who had to be convinced to forgo free agency. Jays really couldn't afford to lose him after 2022. It had to get done.
Brownie19 Old-Timey Member Posted November 16, 2021 Posted November 16, 2021 tell me how I'm supposed to feel about this deal? feels like a great deal for a #3 with #2 upside in his 27/28-35 years? He was the 18th most valuable pitcher in baseball last year and has been the 13th most valuable pitcher in baseball since 2018. Please do not refer to him as a #3 pitcher.
Brownie19 Old-Timey Member Posted November 16, 2021 Posted November 16, 2021 This is a HUGE piece of our offseason. This deal had to get done and they've done it nice and early in the offseason. Well done.
TwistedLogic Old-Timey Member Posted November 16, 2021 Author Posted November 16, 2021 The deal is $131M/7. $11M for his last arb season and then $120M for 6 years of free agency, going through his age-34 season. Excellent contract.
Stangstag Old-Timey Member Posted November 16, 2021 Posted November 16, 2021 Holy crappo, unexpected. I guess the trade hurts a bit less now? Lets hope Berrios gives us plenty of solid playoff starts over the duration of this contract!
Krylian Old-Timey Member Posted November 16, 2021 Posted November 16, 2021 He was the 18th most valuable pitcher in baseball last year and has been the 13th most valuable pitcher in baseball since 2018. Please do not refer to him as a #3 pitcher. If things go well, he'll be the #3 in Toronto.
Spanky99 Old-Timey Member Posted November 16, 2021 Posted November 16, 2021 That doesn't seem like enough money and that takes him to ~35. That's a pretty solid sounding deal on its face It is, bro.
The Iceman Verified Member Posted November 16, 2021 Posted November 16, 2021 If things go well, he'll be the #3 in Toronto. As it stands now he is our #1 And he is a legit lower half #1 MLB SP
BTS Community Moderator Posted November 16, 2021 Posted November 16, 2021 Berrios is very good and this extension is good and important.
Sammy225 Old-Timey Member Posted November 16, 2021 Posted November 16, 2021 My first thought would be I would be shocked if there were no opt outs in it
Spanky99 Old-Timey Member Posted November 16, 2021 Posted November 16, 2021 If things go well, he'll be the #3 in Toronto. So two more elite starters?
z3r0s Old-Timey Member Posted November 16, 2021 Posted November 16, 2021 He can be pretty reliably expected to pitch for 3 WAR a year, so that's only $6.66M/WAR. Just seems so low. Obviously he's likely to beat 3 some years (was 4 the last 2 seasons) and be lower some others (especially at the end), but damn.
Jonn Old-Timey Member Posted November 16, 2021 Posted November 16, 2021 I never thought I would see the day where the Blue Jays would give a pitcher a 7-year contract. This is a big commitment. But if you go year by year he will probably be worth it.
Virgil_Hiltz Verified Member Posted November 16, 2021 Posted November 16, 2021 Making the Jays more attractive to free agents especially those betting on themselves. A great contract now....even better 4 yrs from now.
L54 Old-Timey Member Posted November 16, 2021 Posted November 16, 2021 Awesome news. Shapiro and Atkins rarely disappoint. Give up two of your top five prospects for a guy with 1.5 years of control and then get him extended a month into the offseason. Great work.
Dr. Dinger Old-Timey Member Posted November 16, 2021 Posted November 16, 2021 This is an excellent price for a critical rotation piece in his prime.
jerb Verified Member Posted November 16, 2021 Posted November 16, 2021 Jayson Stark @jaysonst Jose Berrios has combined great stuff with underappreciated durability. #BlueJays are betting on both. Most starts last 4 years: Nola 111 Berrios 108 Corbin 108 Castillo 109 Most batters faced: Nola 2721 Wheeler 2709 Berrios 2691
Spanky99 Old-Timey Member Posted November 16, 2021 Posted November 16, 2021 He can be pretty reliably expected to pitch for 3 WAR a year, so that's only $6.66M/WAR. Just seems so low. Obviously he's likely to beat 3 some years (was 4 the last 2 seasons) and be lower some others (especially at the end), but damn. Huh? Where's that 6.66M/WAR number from? He's a stud, 27 with plenty upside. I've got a chubby!
AdamGreenwood Old-Timey Member Posted November 16, 2021 Posted November 16, 2021 This should make it even easier to lock up Rodon.
TwistedLogic Old-Timey Member Posted November 16, 2021 Author Posted November 16, 2021 Back-to-back offseasons: - The Blue Jays sign Hyun-Jin Ryu for $80M over four years. - The Blue Jays sign George Springer for $150M over six years. - The Blue Jays extend Jose Berrios for $131M over seven years. Those are the #1, #2 and #5 largest contracts in franchise history (Wells and Martin fall between Berrios and Ryu). This front office is not afraid of spending.
z3r0s Old-Timey Member Posted November 16, 2021 Posted November 16, 2021 Huh? Where's that 6.66M/WAR number from? He's a stud, 27 with plenty upside. I've got a chubby! 20M yearly / 3 WAR = 6.66M/WAR. I expect we'll get more than 3 WAR on a bunch of those years, but even if its only an average of 3 per year it seems like a steal. That's what I was getting at.
Spanky99 Old-Timey Member Posted November 16, 2021 Posted November 16, 2021 20M yearly / 3 WAR = 6.66M/WAR. I expect we'll get more than 3 WAR on a bunch of those years, but even if its only an average of 3 per year it seems like a steal. That's what I was getting at. I get that, but that's not how WAR works in value? Oh, I see what you mean, lol. My Bad.
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